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Started by Jhenry, February 03, 2010, 09:24:07 PM

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Quote from: AmyM on February 19, 2010, 12:09:05 PM
The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly cut off his penis is the day I have abandoned all reason.

The surgery doesn't "cut off" the penis, it instead fashions a vagina from the original parts.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Arch

Quote from: Zythyra on February 19, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
The surgery doesn't "cut off" the penis, it instead fashions a vagina from the original parts.

True. But I've never yet met a man who truly wanted SRS to turn his penis into a vagina. I've met many women who wanted it, but never a man. I feel that the fellow who had it done was either misguided, dishonest with himself, pressured, or suffering from some kind of underlying psych condition that led him to believe that he was a woman.

This really makes me feel for those gay men in Iran who opt for SRS...talk about pressure...what a crock.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Marie

The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly fashioned a vagina from the original parts is the day I have abandoned all reason.
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Kelli

And it got me SOOO fired up... I wrote the following email to the site-master:

Walt,

I absolutely respect that you have a constitutional RIGHT to express your feelings on SRS and transexuality. I would never deny that to anyone...even if it were someone totally BASHING Gender Identity Disorder. I'd totally respect that.

HOWEVER... I also have a right to express MY feelings towards your site.

To begin, I don't believe you're wrong. People DO regret transition and subsequently, surgery. HOWEVER... in all the stories I've read, in all the people I've talked to that live with regret, they ALL say the same thing.... "The surgeon was wrong for doing the surgery."

But... Isn't that mildly irresponsible in the hands of the person HAVING surgery?

Shouldn't someone having IRREVERSABLE surgery, FULLY consider the consequences first? By the time that someone ends up with the surgeon, they've had to jump through a number of hoops to get there. I find it gravely irresponsible of you to blame the SURGEONS and not YOURSELF.

Surely you had time to prepare for the surgery. Surely you had to LIE to doctors and medical professionals to GET to that point.

In the beginning of your site you state: "World renowned sex change surgeon, Dr. Stanley Biber, in a letter to the Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo, after performing male-to-female sex change surgery, admitting the resulting genital sex is "neuter" not "female" as he claimed on medical records."
Do you have a copy of the letter?

My point is this... PERSONS living with gender dysphoria don't need more fear mongering. WE don't need people telling us that we're wrong...and that our attempts are half-measures. You're site is misleading and damaging. Take responsibilities for YOUR OWN MISTAKES... Don't assume we're all making the mistakes that you have.

Sincerely....



--Kelli L. Matthews
"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam" (I will find a way or I will make one!)
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Janet_Girl

Good for you, Kelli.  I hope that they really stop and think.
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Kelli

It likely wont change anyones mind... but that NEEDED to come out of me....

*string of explitives*
"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam" (I will find a way or I will make one!)
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Sandy

Quote from: Kelli on February 19, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
And it got me SOOO fired up... I wrote the following email to the site-master:

Walt,

I absolutely respect that you have a constitutional RIGHT to express your feelings on SRS and transexuality. I would never deny that to anyone...even if it were someone totally BASHING Gender Identity Disorder. I'd totally respect that.

HOWEVER... I also have a right to express MY feelings towards your site.

To begin, I don't believe you're wrong. People DO regret transition and subsequently, surgery. HOWEVER... in all the stories I've read, in all the people I've talked to that live with regret, they ALL say the same thing.... "The surgeon was wrong for doing the surgery."

But... Isn't that mildly irresponsible in the hands of the person HAVING surgery?

Shouldn't someone having IRREVERSABLE surgery, FULLY consider the consequences first? By the time that someone ends up with the surgeon, they've had to jump through a number of hoops to get there. I find it gravely irresponsible of you to blame the SURGEONS and not YOURSELF.

Surely you had time to prepare for the surgery. Surely you had to LIE to doctors and medical professionals to GET to that point.

In the beginning of your site you state: "World renowned sex change surgeon, Dr. Stanley Biber, in a letter to the Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo, after performing male-to-female sex change surgery, admitting the resulting genital sex is "neuter" not "female" as he claimed on medical records."
Do you have a copy of the letter?

My point is this... PERSONS living with gender dysphoria don't need more fear mongering. WE don't need people telling us that we're wrong...and that our attempts are half-measures. You're site is misleading and damaging. Take responsibilities for YOUR OWN MISTAKES... Don't assume we're all making the mistakes that you have.

Sincerely....



--Kelli L. Matthews

Well said Kelli!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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K8

Excellent, Kelli.

There is a lot of discussion on this site and elsewhere about the hoops we have to jump through to get surgery.  Many are of the opinion that we shouldn't have to jump through those and just live with the consequences.

But for someone who circumvented the system to then blame the gatekeepers for falling for his deception is beyond irresponsible.  And then, because he managed to fool everyone, to try to discredit the whole idea of surgery as a corrective for a condition he did not have and has no understanding of is just ghastly.

We make our decisions and live with the consequences.  That's how life works.

Grrr. >:( >:( >:(

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Kelli

Indeed...


Unfortunatly, it has become the American Way to hurt ourselves and blame EVERYONE else but ourselves.
"Aut inveniam viam aut faciam" (I will find a way or I will make one!)
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Kelli on February 20, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Indeed...


Unfortunately, it has become the American Way to hurt ourselves and blame EVERYONE else but ourselves.
And sadly that infection has now spread to the UK.

A few years ago I had the highly unpleasant experience of watching one of my very good and close personal friends, a dear sweet man, to whom I literally owe my life, being taken down by a small cabal of people who wanted him to take the blame for their own mistaken choices.

The man in question was, for many years, one of the UK's leading gender psychiatrists. His crime was that unlike a lot of his profession he took transpeople seriously.

Providing there was no evidence of other psychiatric disorder his philosophy was that it was their life and their body. So if they really wanted to climb on that operating table, then who was he to stand in their way and make their lives more difficult than they already were.

Unfortunately some people took advantage of him and thought they saw a way to make money by claiming that he should have taken responsibility for actively stopping them. Save us from oursleves, do anything to stop us, don't ever let us reach that table.

Well I'm sorry, but this is indeed elective surgery. We ask for it, we sign consent forms. If you don't want it then don't turn up! But please don't try and retrospectively blame your own bad decision on someone else and thereby enact all sorts of artificial barriers which prevent those of us who DO know what we are doing, and ARE prepared to take responsibility, from living our lives the way that we choose.  >:(

I don't WANT someone to protect me from myself, what I want is protecting from the arrogant jerks who think they have a right and duty to be my unelected guardians and keepers. <exit rant mode>
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katgirl74

I find it interesting how so many "regret" stories are often highly influenced by conservative Christian churches. His story, my his own admission, contains a history of mental illness and drug and alcohol abuse. He had a lot going on, and it seems that he wound up with people pushing him in a certain direction. I would gather he had little support network, and probably found a church that would support him, but only conditionally, if he did what they said. Now, he's their talking head against trans people. I'm a spiritual person, and I always thought God's love was unconditional, but with seem that Walt was taught that it is highly conditional. Maybe it is true regret, but I can't help but to think he was led down the path by others.

Kat
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sneakersjay

I have jumped through the hoops necessary for surgery.  I will be having surgery.

If something goes wrong, and the results are not what I hoped, well, I did my research, and crap happens.  Rare, but complications happen. It would suck.  But would the resulting stuff be worse than having what I have now?  Possibly if I lost all sensation, but a risk i'm willing to take.

I can't imagine that finally getting my penis and testicles will be the wrong decision.  I've only waited 46 years for them!!!

Why would I blame the surgeon or my therapists if I have any regrets?
Jay


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Arch

Quote from: sneakersjay on February 25, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
Why would I blame the surgeon or my therapists if I have any regrets?

My guess is that YOU wouldn't, unless your surgeon were negligent. But then, I have always gotten the impression that you were quite a rational person, with functioning neurons and everything.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Kaete

Does anyone regret? Yes, I'm sure there are a few folk who do so. However, I suspect, and having kept abreast of the literature in the last ten years, that it's perhaps only a 5, or even less, or so, percent minority.

Further, and this is just a tentative proposition on my part, that people who go through the usual major safeguarding hurdles, rather than those who don't, are rather less likely to report dis-satisfaction after having SRS.

An alternative, or auxilially, explanation, well at least I think on my part, being that folk heavily committed to having surgery (and subsequently, later, they then having had such surgery), may have a personal vested interest, to others around them, in highlighting the benefits/ and/or in rationalising to themselves the negatives associated the op. ("Yes, it was a major operation, and yes I spent a very huge amount of money, the money which I could perhaps have used to help promote my son's education, but the alternative was that I spent the rest of my life in a state and a turmoil of major inner conflict, and, in doing so, wasn't able to help my son, because I was so confused, in myself, and, therefore, not able to give him the energy, and time, that I dearly wanted"

I have a date for SRS surgery in October this year, In Thailand. Yes, of course, being a registered nurse, and having worked, in the past, in surgical and operating units, and thereby knowing full well all the risks associated with long major surgery, and anaethesia, I have a major degree of apprehension.

The ultimate and gravest risk, to me, in the surgery which I will have, taking about five hours or so all told, is that I will die. A secondary risk, being that I will be left, in some way or another, not dead; but, much worse, disabled, and, a dependency on others around me.

well wishes,

Kaete
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K8

Quote from: Kaete on February 26, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
Does anyone regret? Yes, I'm sure there are a few folk who do so. However, I suspect, and having kept abreast of the literature in the last ten years, that it's perhaps only a 5, or even less, or so, percent minority.

Further, and this is just a tentative proposition on my part, that people who go through the usual major safeguarding hurdles, rather than those who don't, are rather less likely to report dis-satisfaction after having SRS.

The ultimate and gravest risk, to me, in the surgery which I will have, taking about five hours or so all told, is that I will die. A secondary risk, being that I will be left, in some way or another, not dead; but, much worse, disabled, and, a dependency on others around me.

The figures I've seen are usually in the 1-2% range for regrets.  That's a very low figure.  And I agree with you completely, Kaete, that those who circumvent the safeguards are probably much more likely to regret the outcome.  Many of us find those safeguards onerous, but they are there to protect us as well as the doctors and therapists.  [And please, can we not get into that discussion on this thread.]

I'm not a nurse and have never had major surgery, but I am apprehensive about the anesthetic and the recovery.  Still, I will go forward even if it ultimately kills me.  There are some things we just have to try doing.  [There's another thread here somewhere about balancing the risks.]

And welcome to Susan's, Kaete.  :icon_flower:

Be sure to look under the Announcements heading.  There you will find the rules we live by in this little world of ours: "Site Terms of Service and Rules to Live By", "Standard Terms and Definitions", and "Post Ranks".  Look through the other stuff there, too.

Congratulations on your scheduled surgery.  Welcome and happy exploring. :icon_wave:

- Kate

(Nice name, BTW :))
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Kaete

Kate wrote: "Congratulations on your scheduled surgery.  Welcome and happy exploring.- Kate (Nice name, BTW)"

Many thanks, Kate.

The name 'Kaete' derives, at least as I know the meaning, both from the German derivative, Kaethe, meaning 'pure', and from the romanized Japanese, 'kaete', meaning 'change'. Whilst I hardly consider myself, at the age of nearly 60, in any way 'pure' and innocent these days (that, of course, may depend on age related perception and definition); the other, alternative meaning (the Japanese one) seemed quite appropriately very apposite.

Relating the matter of regret, On one of Lyn Conway's pages is written thus:

"Some examples of "wrong reasons" and wrong situations for undergoing SRS are (i) efforts to become a center of attention and live a "sexy life", (ii) thinking it will "automatically turn oneself into a woman" in others' eyes, (iii) deciding to become a woman on a whim (for example, in the midst of a mid-life crisis), (iv) doing it for autosexual "thrills", (v) doing it while suffering from preexisting serious mental conditions unrelated to GID (depression, bi-polar conditions,...), etc. Regrets and adjustment difficulties seem to occur especially frequently in the cases of older intense crossdressers and sexual fetishists whose drive to transition is based primarily on male sexual feelings and habits. These individuals will gradually lose their male libidinous responses to their new female body as time passes after the removal of their testicles during SRS.  This loss of libidinous rewards, combined with accumulating practical, social and emotional difficulties in postoperative life, can lead to serious long-term adjustment difficulties for those who've "made a mistake"...The bottom line here is that EXTREME CAUTION is advised if you are unsure of your motives for SRS."

Well wishes,
Kaete

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LordKAT

My only "sexchangeregret" is the lack of acceptable medical methods.
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Myself

I didn't bother entering the site, I just read the quotes in the first post and decided I pretty much figured out what it is about.

That person probably made a mistake, a big mistake. Saying it is a lie (about others) or fake or not possible is also a mistake as people here pretty much prove just by living.

There are plenty of women lacking an uterus and some had vaginal collapse due to medical reasons, I am not bothered by people who say it's not female just because it lacks some internal organs. I do hope to have an uterus transplant sometime in the future, but if not, I will at least be doing a good thing by adopting a kid.

Other then that, I feel confident enough to not get excited about articles or sites on the internet saying "fake" and whatever.. reality is far different than their words.

And as the above, the only thing I regret is that some technology is all too primitive to fix some things some people need. I am sure we will get there though and anyways I am pretty happy with my appearance, this is just a general statement.
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