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Started by icontact, December 26, 2009, 02:32:51 PM

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icontact

So what I'm wondering is, what are the prices for transition-related materials? I transitioned/began passing a long time ago, but eventually I plan to go the extra yard and solidify the deal.

Therapy?
Testosterone? Syringes? Etc? [I've already seen Ethan's FTM transition website.]
Top surgery?

Personally not too interested in bottom surge prices, but if you've gone that path, feel free to add it! Hopefully this thread will be helpful for everyone.

Also, you can get T and top surgery without a letter, right? How does it work? Cause I really don't need therapy...my RLE is long over, and I do not have the spare cash or time. [Did Mister get banned, I can't find him on the members list, cause I know he knew a lot about this.]
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FolkFanatic

I won't be much help as i'm just starting the transition myself - but i'm interested in responses.

About all i can tell you is that when i approached my general practitioner about the transition she had to refer me to an endocrinologist for the T. Wether or not i need a note, i'm not sure (haven't gotten a call back about my appointment). I'm looking into therapy anyway, though, for everything else you DO need letters for and for help with telling my parents.

She was pretty sure the therapist appointments would be covered by my insurance (i was in therapy twice before for two unrelated reasons and both times insurance covered it.) Not sure about T and the endo, though - that will be question number one when i finally have my appointment.
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Silver

Quote from: Sameth on December 26, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
[Did Mister get banned, I can't find him on the members list, cause I know he knew a lot about this.]

I was wondering where Mister went. Anybody have any idea?

I'll leave the answering to those who have paid for these things.
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Lachlann

Quote from: SilverFang on December 26, 2009, 04:05:02 PM
I was wondering where Mister went. Anybody have any idea?

I'll leave the answering to those who have paid for these things.

Maybe he's busy or got tired of us. :P
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myles

 There are  some clinics that will give you T without a therapy letter they are informed consent clinics but I am not sure where all of them are besides the one in Atlanta. Costs for T are about $57 (including shipping) for about 4 months supply. Some docs will do the surgery without a letter. Top surgery varies between $5 K and $8K.
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noxdraconis

Therapy costs $50 a session for me.  My endo was $500 initial visit, $200 for subsequent visits.  First blood test was $275, my last two were $85.  For T, I pay little under $60, includes syringes, needles to draw and needles to inject and alcohol wipes.  For my upcoming top surgery, I am paying $7300, plus a $100 consult fee.  10% of the surgery fee was due at the time of booking.  I have until 3 weeks prior to surgery to pay the rest.


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Quicksand

I think there's a similar thread in the just for us forum, in case you wanted to see some other responses.  For me, it was: 120 for the name change, about 1000 for therapy, no other legal changes yet, 80 bucks for 20 weeks worth of T (which includes syringes), and it's gonna be about 8000 for surgery (9000 with incidental costs included).  Other costs include: 100 every half a year for new binders (I lead an active lifestyle so I go through them quickly), 50 bucks for packers/STP device experiments which I never ended up using, approximately 700 for a new wardrobe over the year and half since I transitioned (why is men's clothing so expensive?!), and 20 bucks a month for a haircut, as opposed to maybe 20 bucks every three months before I transitioned.  if you keep your hair short, you have to get it cut more often to keep it looking sharp! ;)  I think that's everything...but I'm probably forgetting something.
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Arch

FYI, Mister was banned for six months back in the fall, mid-September. So he's about halfway through the ban. He was given the option of apologizing. I assume that he hasn't chosen to do so.

Post Merge: December 26, 2009, 05:59:34 PM

I have heard that Meltzer in Arizona will do top surgery without a letter if you are legally male on your driver's license. I've heard that Brownstein does not always require a letter. But this is all hearsay.

Some therapists will write you T letters after a session or two if you present them with solid evidence that you have been living as male and have your head on straight. I don't know about surgery letters. But it might be worth checking out--you can find a couple of practitioners in your area and write to them. Explain your situation, see if they will do a sliding scale, etc. Are you insured? They might cover therapy if it's written up right.

I pay $135 a session, out of pocket, for my therapy. I don't want evidence of this therapy on my medical records, so I didn't go through insurance. My therapist says that he always has a few people on a greatly reduced rate, and he recently offered to cut my rate considerably. LGBT centers often have counseling, too--maybe free or very very cheap.

My first endo visit was somewhere between two and three hundred--I don't remember now. He gave me a consult, a brief physical, and my first shot for that price. I got blood work through insurance and took the labs in with me on my first endo visit. I hate to think how much it would have cost otherwise. I got three-month blood work also covered by insurance (my GP is pretty cool) and I'm hoping that my last labs will also be covered. I haven't heard back yet on that. My follow-up endo visits are under a hundred dollars.

I get T through Strohecker's at the moment and pay under sixty dollars for about four and a half months' worth of T, needles, and alcohol swabs. Don't know if I'll stay with them.

My top surgery was $7500. My surgeon had done some FTM surgeries before, but he is a local guy, not fully on the radar. I think he did a good job; the nipples could be smaller and a little better placed, and the scars are still prominent and could be a bit lower. But I was big and somewhat lopsided, and I scar easily, so take that into consideration. I opted for a pedicle procedure, which a lot of surgeons don't do, because I heal poorly and was worried about losing nipple sensation. I'll be having minor revisions next month--a couple of tucks on one side--so I'll look better soon. I have great sensation, by the way, and I didn't have to pay for travel or accommodations.

I did get a letter from my therapist for both T and surgery. My surgeon wanted the letter, but I don't know if he waives it for other guys. I know a guy who's been living as male for maybe eight years, since he was about eighteen. He used the same surgeon. I don't know if he had to produce a note. I think some surgeons will waive the note, depending on your circumstances.
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icontact

LOL Quicksand, where did you get the idea that men's clothing is more expensive? It's only more expensive if you have an interest in fashion or are too small to fit "average" size clothing. Nice women's clothing is cheaper and easier to find by higher demand. Well I've always had a men's wardrobe, so I don't need to pay for that, and I also cut my own hair so that'll save me some.

Arch: What is a sliding scale? All of this is prep for future when I move out, so I am not sure where I will be insurance-wise. Also, what is a pedicle procedure?
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DamagedChris

Sliding scale is a type of payment plan that some docs offer...basically fees are based off your income.
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Arch

Quote from: Sameth on December 26, 2009, 07:05:43 PM
Arch: What is a sliding scale? All of this is prep for future when I move out, so I am not sure where I will be insurance-wise. Also, what is a pedicle procedure?
Other guys chimed in with a definition of the sliding scale, so I won't bother.

Instead of transplanting my nipples, my surgeon kept each nipple attached to a nerve bundle. I tend to heal poorly. I was not willing to take any risk that I might lose sensation, so I went with a less experienced surgeon who did the procedure I wanted.
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Silver

Quote from: Arch on December 26, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
FYI, Mister was banned for six months back in the fall, mid-September. So he's about halfway through the ban. He was given the option of apologizing. I assume that he hasn't chosen to do so.

Thanks for clarifying that.
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FolkFanatic

Looking at these numbers i'm SURE hoping my insurance covers some stuff - namely my therapy visits since after that i can tell my parents (and they'll cover most medical costs - like my endo visit - as per an agreement we have while i'm between jobs.)

Otherwise, after i pay for partial college and books this semester i won't have the money for even a therapist visit!  :o

How i hate being a poor college student.....
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FolkFanatic

Quote from: Kvall on December 27, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
If you're willing to go the debt route, you could take out a loan for your college stuff. I'm not the biggest fan of debt, but I've always been told that there is "no better reason to go into debt than to pay for college." I can think of one better reason, but it's only applicable to transsexuals. :P You could take out a loan for that trans stuff instead, but college loans are a bit more well-regarded, I guess?

If my parents refuse to have anything to do with costs NOT covered by insurance (really hoping that doesn't happen), i may have to consider a loan.  :(
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"..since God is love, and God doesn't make any mistakes, then you must be exactly the way He wants you to be."
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Arch

Quote from: FolkFanatic on December 27, 2009, 08:39:48 AM
How i hate being a poor college student.....

Does your college have a counseling center? Do you have insurance through the school? You could have options you haven't considered yet.

Be careful when trying to get gender therapy covered by insurance. Some companies will not cover you when they find out that you are seeing someone for GID. But some therapists are willing to code your visits as something more acceptable, like depression.
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FolkFanatic

Quote from: Arch on December 27, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Does your college have a counseling center? Do you have insurance through the school? You could have options you haven't considered yet.

Be careful when trying to get gender therapy covered by insurance. Some companies will not cover you when they find out that you are seeing someone for GID. But some therapists are willing to code your visits as something more acceptable, like depression.

Generic and academic counselors, yes. But none who can write notes and such for transition that i know of (my doctor didn't think too much of that at any rate). And insurance through college? Never thought of it since i'm on my mom's through her work! I guess i'll look into it lol.

As soon as i get confirmation that my doc referred me i'm going to tell my parents i'm going into therapy (won't tell them why yet) and they'll foot the bill if insurance doesn't cover. They're good like that (though i wouldn't be surprised if they figured out why i was going before i tell them - my dad's good at research and they'll want the name/location... wouldn't be "hard" to figure out since we have regular therapists in town.)

The therapist i actually think i'm being referred to (i did my own research and she's the only one in the area) does a bunch of other stuff too (that yes, i could probably use some counseling on as well lol), so if i have trouble with insurance i could probably say i'm also going for "this, this and this". Hopefully she'll be one of those nice therapists who will code things differently....
"It's not a lie if they make you lie. If the only truth they can accept is their own."

"..since God is love, and God doesn't make any mistakes, then you must be exactly the way He wants you to be."
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