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Stealth & your feelings about it.

Started by Valentina, January 02, 2010, 05:10:06 AM

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rejennyrated

Jen - Valerian tea is both gentle safe natural and usually pretty effective at curing insomnia... You can get teabags containing it at the healthfood store.
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Valentina

Quote from: Jen on February 11, 2010, 04:13:17 AM
I guess we can only just let our own experiences be our guide.

This is exactly it.  For some peeps, becoming educators or activists works just fine whilst others just want to leave the trans stuff behind & get on with their lives.  There's no wrong answer.  It's only wrong when some people presume to tell others how to live their lives. 

Cure for insomnia?  You're barking up the wrong tree :laugh: I've been studying for some exams & I'm high on coffee.
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Jeannette

Quote from: Valentina on January 02, 2010, 05:10:06 AM
Stealth & your feelings about it.


Stealth is an individual choice.

I don't understand what the drama is about either but I understand why people get mad.  I also hate it when certain persons are rude enough to tell me how to live my life.  I mean, give me a break, worry about your own life! ::)

Sometimes stealth takes place without you realising it.  You don't plan for it.  It just happens.
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Alyssa M.

Jenny, I'm terribly sorry. It just slipped out. Normal is a horrible thing to call someone. I'll never do it again. My heartfelt apologies.  :icon_bunch:

Natasha, that's a great link. Andrea James has definitely been a role model for me in my transition, not least because she's very open to differing views and experiences (as in, being out herself, but publishing that letter from soneone who is stealth). I notice that even now: people who know my legal name before or when they meet me (e.g., people I have to deal with in university administration; friends I met even shortly before transition) treat me a lot different than people who don't (most other business; friends I met since).

Jenny's point about being out in order to debunk myths definitely rings true as well. A lot of the (few) negative reactions I've had have to do with people thinking I'll be some icky ->-bleeped-<-, cut off from "normal" society, like the ones they see in the street (people passing and exchaning a knowing look, etc.), you know, as opposed to all the ones that they never notice because they pass well. People are really bad at noticing how selection effects contribute to their stereotyes. But I don't think that changes the fact that it's completely a personal decision.

Ideally I wish stealth would become irrelevant: I imagine an ideal world in which all the caricatures were debunked, and transitioning would seem just slightly more relevant to one's history than having had an appendectomy.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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FairyGirl

Jen you can also get valerian tablets which is what I use. They smell like stinky feet but they do work. :)
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If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 11, 2010, 02:55:55 PM
Jenny, I'm terribly sorry. It just slipped out. Normal is a horrible thing to call someone. I'll never do it again. My heartfelt apologies.  :icon_bunch:
apology accepted - mind you, you should see what happened to the last person to call me a lady! They barely survived! ;D
Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 11, 2010, 02:55:55 PM
transitioning would seem just slightly more relevant to one's history than having had an appendectomy.
Pretty much the point where I have been fortunate enough to reach - at least within my own community. It certainly took some work, but it can be done even today...
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Jeannette on February 11, 2010, 06:27:09 AM

Stealth is an individual choice.


I agree, when and not to tell, I was madly in love with a guy about 13years ago, if I hadn'd tolded him I was trans Id probably be married to him now, its still very raw, my story is in message4 in this thread https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,41242.msg278947.html#msg278947 
Anyway Im now engaged to another guy, I tolded him my history last year, we're still together, but its never discussed and he doesn't want his family to know, both of us are happy with this decision, Im passed child bearing age so that doesn't come into it, as for why I never did have children, well that can be explained away, I have ''woman problem'' no guy ever dares go there, private & personal, a girl's own business.

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If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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xsocialworker

Golly, I married Todd and waited like 5 years to tell him, but he was just so sweet and nice. Todd is such a big old polar bear and he is soooo patriotic. I never did tell John during the campaign and you know, I really don't think the sweet old guy ever guessed, bless his heart.
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Sarah B

Rejennyrated, no apologies are needed, I did not even read your post thoroughly and I had to go back and reread what you posted, to see why you apologized to me.

If I remember correctly, when I originally read your post I thought you was talking about Northern Jane and another girl.

I wish it was 31 years, however I'm 19 years post and 2 years pre, giving a total of 21.  I started and had my operation three days before my normal birthday in February.  Now that is a good month!!!!

Kindest Regards
Sarah B

Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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taru

I tend to be on a need to know basis.

I don't advertise it publicly. Important people get to know my medical conditions and past to avoid potential trouble.

Also I will not be silent on homophobia or transphobia even if it risks people suspecting things.
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Muffin

Tonight I went to a concert thing three bands, beer, food, guys painting and this ..well.... wall with a row of typewriters in front of it. The idea was to type out a secret and then put it in the box. At a guess I'd say they gather up each cities secrets and display then at the next city location.

I was a wee bit drunk and feeling crazy so I typed:-
".....I am transsexual....
..... .....but.......
   .....but.............
   you wouldn't know it unless you hit on ....on... me!!!!!!!!!!!

:*)

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It was more or less something like that, you had to hit really hard to make the letters show hence the double words.

So much for me going stealth?? hahah just kidding.. my secret is still safe.. well not in the next city!!! 0_o
We did it on the way out so I jokingly suggested we get out of there before a spotlight shines on me. :D
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MsFierce

I'm not going to tell a single soul about my past :-*.

After my surgery this summer, I'll have answers for any whoever questions me about babies or anything.

I really don't think A guy really wants to know. I asked a few guys and they all said they wouldn't wanna know. That guy will never look at you the same again. he'll always think this use to be a dude.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: MsFierce on February 19, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
That guy will never look at you the same again. he'll always think this use to be a dude.
You must do whatever you feel comfortable with of course... but for the record that last comment you made about men really isn't true of all of them by a long shot.

In my experience there are in fact a surprising number who can look beyond the past and see the present. At least there certainly are in the UK. :)
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NikkiJ

I don't out myself, unless I'm in a situation (doctor's office, etc) where my being pre-op may be an issue (usually it's not). But I don't care that my friends from a previous life know. I transitioned at my present job, so they know, but it's not an issue at all.

I have a friend on the west coast who was the first TS I met in person, back in the early 90's. She got her surgery done back then, and was always very passable. She lives in deep stealth to this day, in a very liberal city, as a lesbian woman (she's very crunchy granola these days - I know she told her last lover what her story was) and de-friended me on Facebook because I had a couple of TS-associated things on my page. She expressed a lot of regret to me over doing that, but I just thought that she has a bit of a burden to carry around. 
Better watch out for the skin deep - The Stranglers
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MsFierce

Quote from: rejennyrated on February 19, 2010, 04:01:26 PM
You must do whatever you feel comfortable with of course... but for the record that last comment you made about men really isn't true of all of them by a long shot.

In my experience there are in fact a surprising number who can look beyond the past and see the present. At least there certainly are in the UK. :)


of course I don't think all guys are like that. The ones I know and being that they are young like me will.

I wish I could meet a decent guy my age that will change my mind.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: MsFierce on February 19, 2010, 04:08:56 PM

of course I don't think all guys are like that. The ones I know and being that they are young like me will.

I wish I could meet a decent guy my age that will change my mind.
I sincerely hope you get your wish then - I had my SRS at the age of 24 - by the time I was in my 30's I had met several and dated two or three of them. So it can be done, and as I have said before, if you can find that man, (or indeed woman), being able to be open with them does make for a much stronger relationship.
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MsFierce

Quote from: rejennyrated on February 19, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
I sincerely hope you get your wish then - I had my SRS at the age of 24 - by the time I was in my 30's I had met several and dated two or three of them. So it can be done, and as I have said before, if you can find that man, (or indeed woman), being able to be open with them does make for a much stronger relationship.

I agree with that. But I'm not gonna do that I've already decided to bury my past and never talk about it at all. My old self had a horrible childhood thats not me anymore My new self ;) had a wonderful childhood. I know its crazy but it's a lie im gonna keep forever.

A friend of mine whose Post-Op told her bf and he broke up with her and called her a freak and told people. I will not be following in that path.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: MsFierce on February 19, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
My new self ;) had a wonderful childhood. I know its crazy but it's a lie im gonna keep forever.

I understand and I approve but I think you would be far better off to find the truth in your past, and speak it, instead of lying about the past.  When you lie, you have to create more lies just to explain things, eventually it becomes impossible to juggle all of the compounding lies.

Also, once you get caught in a lie... it's over, you are a "liar" to whoever trusted you.  Learning how to find the truth in the past and to speak it in order that there is no disconnect would be a good thread.  This is something that others helped me with in the past.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Julie Wilson on February 20, 2010, 04:54:58 AM
I understand and I approve but I think you would be far better off to find the truth in your past, and speak it, instead of lying about the past.  When you lie, you have to create more lies just to explain things, eventually it becomes impossible to juggle all of the compounding lies.

Also, once you get caught in a lie... it's over, you are a "liar" to whoever trusted you.  Learning how to find the truth in the past and to speak it in order that there is no disconnect would be a good thread.  This is something that others helped me with in the past.
What a great idea... I wish I had come up with that concept!

Would you care to post an idiots guide to the basic principles in a new thread Julie? It's sounds like it would make a really fascinating thread all of it's own.
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Kristyn

Quote from: Jen on February 11, 2010, 04:13:17 AM
Definitely food for thought Natasha (and Jenny.)  Seems like such a catch 22 sometimes, with each choice having equal parts right and wrong.  I guess we can only just let our own experiences be our guide.

Btw, does anybody have a good cure for insomnia?  This is getting ridiculous.

You could try increasing your magnesium intake.  Insomnia is a sign of magnesium deficiency
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