End Of Days: There’s ANOTHER Pregnant Man Due To Give Birth In February

[Lachlann]

Yeah, I get what you mean and that frustrates me the most how they make it public then every transman get effected and catergorised as fakes but it would be better if these sort of things were limited cause didn't you change your gender for a reason? I personally don't like the whole idea of a man getting pregnant for whatever reason it was. If they wanted a bio child, they could of gave birth before or use other technology to get close as their own bio child instead of carrying it.

Well in the case of Thomas Beatie his wife was unable to have kids after having a hysto herself many years ago. Now I'm not quite sure the length of their relationship, but if they didn't want to adopt, Thomas would have had to get pregnant because he still had all his parts(aside from his chest.)

[accord03]

Well in the case of Thomas Beatie his wife was unable to have kids after having a hysto herself many years ago. Now I'm not quite sure the length of their relationship, but if they didn't want to adopt, Thomas would have had to get pregnant because he still had all his parts(aside from his chest.)

IVF is still possible.

[Lachlann]

IVF is still possible.

Maybe, but still very expensive. More than what top surgery would cost.

In either case, Thomas is secure enough in his masculinity to carry a child in his womb. That's the way he chose to do it, and it doesn't make him much different than an FTM that decides to hold off on T to have a baby. Not everyone has to do it that way or even needs to have a kid, but it's still his choice and his body. It's not like he did it on a whim, he was 8 years into his transition and there were aspects of it he had to deeply consider.

[accord03]

If he was a man and wanted the kid. Money wouldn't matter. But that's just my opinion, I am against transman who wants to have a child. I don't understand it and for me, if you're a man you're a man and there is no excuse. Didn't he transition cause of his gender dysphoria then he goes and does something real female like.

[Nathan.]

He's a man who happens to have a womb so why not? It's only a female thing becuase most men don't have wombs.

[accord03]

Men doesn't have a womb cause they're men.

[Nathan.]

Your a man with female parts but that doesn't make you any less of a man.

[accord03]

It does and that's why we transition. If we believe we're not less of a man then why do go through transition and want to become more masculine.? Why don't transman have top surgery? Why can't they feel like a man with breasts?

[Lachlann]

I think money matters a lot in these situations. Having a kid naturally is a such a huge investment already, not everyone gets to chose when they have their kid and it can make finances difficult.

Why can't an ftm get pregnant and still be considered a man? Not everyone has the same kind of gender dysphoria as the rest. There are ftms who transition with no intention of getting bottom surgery because they're content with what they have down there. Their bottom dysphoria is very minimal. Some guys couldn't stand the thought of being pregnant(myself and you) and others wouldn't mind the sacrifice for the sake of having a child(Thomas.) And I think that's worth more than spending a lot of money. That doesn't mean people who go the IVF route are bad or any less respectable, but Thomas sacrificed a moment in his transition to be able to have a kid. I think that's an incredibly selfless act and shows how much he cares about having this kid that he would sacrifice his body.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3628860.ece

In his own words:
"Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am."

And that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're free to think whatever you like but I'm just throwing this out there.
Post Merge: June 27, 2010, 08:16:32 AM

It does and that's why we transition. If we believe we're not less of a man then why do go through transition and want to become more masculine.? Why don't transman have top surgery? Why can't they feel like a man with breasts?

Some of them do feel like a man with breasts and are content with that.

[accord03]

I get you. Seriously, no no for me. Call me narrow minded or whatever but I don't like the whole concept of a man getting pregnant. He did a self-less act but think what the kid is going to be thinkin when he/she grows up. "Daddy" gave birth to me and most probably going to be teased.

There is more than bringing a baby to this world, getting on news and getting all the publicity. You got to think about the kids future ; whether he/she is going to get teased, what they may be feeling or thinking in 20 years time.

[Arch]

I get you. Seriously, no no for me. Call me narrow minded or whatever but I don't like the whole concept of a man getting pregnant. He did a self-less act but think what the kid is going to be thinkin when he/she grows up. "Daddy" gave birth to me and most probably going to be teased.

Then I guess people of color should have stopped having kids in this country a long time ago. And people in mixed marriages should probably remain childless. Gay people, too. And poor people. And very fat people and extremely skinny people and really tall or short people and people with disabilities...the thing is, kids will get teased about their parents. If that were a compelling reason not to have children, we wouldn't have 6.5 billion people on this planet. Or 6.6. Or whatever it's up to now.

BTW, Louise Brown seems to have turned out all right...

[RebeccaFog]

It is effecting every transman out there cause of FEW people who like to whatever he likes to do with his body and gender.

would you prefer every transman live the stereotype you desire them too?  What you want is not necessarily what others want. So, who makes the important choices for everybody to live by?

Perhaps there ought to be a court into which individuals are called upon to be judged for their behavior?

[Ashley Allison]

I see absolutely no reason why any transman should be deprived of the joy of being a father, or any transwoman being deprived of being a mother for that matter.  If it is by 'unconventional' means, such as using one's own reproductive organs, who cares? Besides adoption, there are very few options for individuals like us.  There is incredible hypocrisy in the unsaid statement that society impresses upon gender.  It is almost as if the impression is given that "Okay, we will watch you change into the other sex.  But once you are the opposite sex you have to be the shining example of masculinity and femininity, and anything less than that means you were faking being trans all along."  Additionally, I doubt this couple would want to go with these means in order to have a child if they they had a choice.  To accord03, you probably realize that there is a diversity of people out there and furthermore a diversity of transpeople.  Just because you don't see the point in something, doesn't mean it is ridiculous.  Be a little more accepting of other people's lifestyles.  As for the matter of the children growing up, I doubt this is going to cause much anxiety/teasing.  Most children of gay couples don't even give a passing glimpse to their parents, let alone feel depression.  Yes, there is a possibility the kid may be teased if someone finds out this "dark" secret.  But what kid isn't teased?  I think that as time passes, stories like these will become non-issues.  Seriously, why should one care what happens between two consenting adults. 

[Arch]

It is effecting every transman out there cause of FEW people who like to whatever he likes to do with his body and gender.

I've thought about this a lot. It's hard to plot nascent shifts in social attitudes. I fear that because of Beatie and a couple of other guys like him, people won't take trans men seriously. I worry that I, for one, will still be seen as a woman by some people.

Well, that's going to happen no matter what I do.

I now feel that there is no good way to chart the early influence of pregnant trans men on the general population. Some people might be confused, some might be disrespectful...but some might be intrigued enough to do a little reading and thinking. That's good, isn't it?

There's a saying that there's no such thing as bad publicity. I don't know that I agree with it, but the main exposure that trans men are getting these days is through Chaz Bono and guys like Thomas Beatie and, perhaps to a lesser extent, Brandon Teena. Personally, I wouldn't have chosen any of these guys to "represent" me and other trans guys; I would have preferred someone like James Green to be our poster child. But you have to admit that we are gaining exposure and that it would be difficult for us to get any kind of acceptance without being in the public eye. Maybe these pregnant men will open some doors and pave the way to greater acceptance later.

I dunno. But it is a possibility, however uncomfortable it might be for those of us who would never willingly bear a child under any circumstances.

[LordKAT]

I do think it puts some doubt on how other people think of us being serious or 'real' transsexuals.

[DaddySplicer]

The physical need to bear a child is an inherently womanly thing. He shouldn't have transitioned if he had that desire.

And if you argue about his want to have a genetically similar child, dumb. That's just ego. Get over it and adopt, if you want a kid. Not like we're suffering from overpopulation and there aren't millions of desperate children out there to be adopted as it is. A child is what you make it out of the womb, not if you jizzed it into being or if it sat feeding off of your insides for nine months. 

[Silver]

I certainly can't understand it, but whatever they (pregnant transmen) is their business.

I'm not that type, I reject the parts and the womanhood and all that. I figured that other FTMs were the same but I guess not.

[TheAetherealMeadow]

I don't think child-bearing is a "womanly" thing. Wombs and vaginas are just organs, nothing else. I fail to see what is so inherently gendered about them. If a man chooses to use them "as nature intended" I don't see how that makes his manhood any less legitimate. It's very understandable that many trans people would be very uncomfortable with the thought of doing something that society almost exclusively associates with the opposite gender, and I actually think it's extremely brave for someone to transcend a gender role that is so heavily ingrained into society. Some people are not dysphoric about their organs, but rather about how society perceives them because they have those organs.

[Shang]

I think if you want a kid, you should hold off on transitioning (for the most part) until the child is born.  However, I'm not going to get up in arms over it if someone decides to have a kid later on in the transition. 

I'd love to have my own kid, so I'll only be transitioning part of the way.  Plus, the results for bottom surgery are very undesirable to me. 

And to think I'm less of a man than you because I won't transition all of the way makes me a touch ticked.  For various reasons, such as wanting a kid, I'm unable to transition all of the way.

[Nero]

I don't understand it but people don't understand what we (transsexuals) do to our bodies either.