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QuoteABORTION DOCTOR

"Was that a baby I heard cry? No, of course not, they've all...died.

But sometimes, when I go too fast, some of them come out...alive.

It bothers me, the sound of their cries...seeing the expression in their eyes.

And having to wait... for them to die.

What's taking so long? I can't stand this heat.

What's that you say? You can't find the feet?

You have the arms, the legs, the fingers and toes, the torso the head and the button nose?

Well, I don't get paid for counting fingers and toes, so.

Hurry up and find those feet! Can't you see, I've got a quota to meet!

How many babies have I aborted so far? To be exact, ten thousand and three.

How much do I make? For every baby that I abort I make a five hundred dollar fee.

Any problems later on? Not for me! Thank Heaven, that makes twenty...

That's the last baby...we do today. So if you'll lock up, I think I'll leave.

I've a pain in my chest, and it's hard to breath...

Why is it so hot in here, and what's that terrible smell?

You say it's so hot because I've died and gone to Hell?

But that's impossible! I'm a fine upstanding doctor, and I've always done so well."

"I know, I was with you, step by step, as you descended into Hell.

Oh no, don't blame me, blame yourself. You had... a CHOICE!!!

And you're not a Doctor down here, so lower your voice.

What's taking so long? Hurry up and scrape him off the floor.

It's time for him to die some more. One die, two die, three die, four...

Stop that screaming.. it wont' help you anymore.

What's that you say? Just let you die? No, I am afraid not, my son.

You see, I've waited for you a lifetime, and my fun... has just begun. Ohhh, how long will it take? I thought you knew...

It will take an eternity... for you."


By Deloris Matthews


A friend of mine and I were discussing abortion tonight.  We disagreed on some issues concerning abortion physicians, and well, he had the nerve to send me a few poems of this sort to clarify his points.  The words are very powerful and obviously depict the atrocities of abortion.   :'( :'( >:( >:(


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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DawnL

#1
So much worse than the atrocities of back alley abortions sought by desperate
women in desperate circumstances?  Women who have been abused, raped, or
victims of incest?

I found that poem to be offensive.  Just my opinion.  I have no
intention of opening a pro-life vs pro-choice debate in this forum.

Dawn
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cindianna_jones

#2
I adopted a dog a couple years ago from the SPCA.  She had not been neutered and the woman at the SPCA made me promise to have it done.  I scheduled an appointment for the little dog.  It was 10 weeks out.  That was fine with me.

Later that week, I was doing some volunteer work at the SPCA. Their computers needed some upkeep.  While there, I told the head mistress there (who got to know the dogs very well) that my appointment was 10 weeks out.  She started fiddling with her ear in a pensive pause. "Look.... I have an appointment tomorrow for one of the dogs here.  If you take your dog in tomorrow, you can have that slot."  I said that would be fine.

That night, hubby noticed that Pepper Dog's teets had swolen.  I paid little attention and let it slide.  I took her in early the next morning for her appointment.

Later that afternoon, the vet's office called to tell me that Pepper Dog was ready to pick up. "She was about ready to deliver 4 puppies and so we took them," the  woman on the phone added.  "How far along were they?" I querried.  "Oh it was really good that you brought her in today because she was about to deliver any day now.  But we have taken care of that."

I was devastated.  The SPCA people knew that she was pregnant and wanted me to make sure that the pregnancy was terminated before the pups were born.  I burst in tears and cried uncontrollably.  I would have loved to take care of the puppies and found good homes for them. I could not bear the thought that they had taken my little mother's babies and destroyed them.

So now, you know how I feel about abortion.  I can't stand the thought of it happening even on my dog.

That being said, I still believe that it is a devastating decision that should be made between a woman and her doctor.

I prefer that we work the issue from the front end through education and prevention. That is the end where most people can agree to help.  We now know that politicians who have promised legislation against abortion to get elected were just waving a false flag.

My children have been raised in a very conservative environment and we've had long discussions about abortion.  My son has seen the light.  He and his wife are looking to adopt a child.

It's not an issue I argue.  I have only my opinions.  I've never had to make this weighty decision before.  My empathy goes out to those who do.  It must be a terrible thing to have to do.

Cindi
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Dennis

#3
I agree with you Cindi. I think it is a choice that nobody should make, but I am not one to judge someone who does, or the circumstances in which they do so.

I'd like to see more money, time, and energy poured into preventing the circumstance in the first place than the amount that goes into traumatizing women who have made that choice. I've seen some horrific circumstances in criminal court, just for an extreme example, like the father who is both grandfather and father to his daughter's child. I could never judge someone who helped a woman in that position or who was in that position.

Dennis
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Julie Marie

#4
While I value human life greatly I also know I can't control the world.  We all have our beliefs and we will live our lives according to them.  The poem was disturbing to me and I chose not to read it further.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Brianna

#5
Quote from: DawnL on October 14, 2006, 12:31:18 PM
So much worse than the atrocities of back alley abortions sought by desperate
women in desperate circumstances?  Women who have been abused, raped, or
victims of incest?

I found that poem to be trite and offensive.  Just my opinion.  I have no
intention of opening a pro-life vs pro-choice debate in this forum.

Dawn

I completely agree.

I am as pro-choice as you can possibly get. That said, I don't think I would post a poem about the fathers that have raped their daughters then beaten and/or murdered them when they tried to get an abortion. It's just not germane to any discussion with TS issues, and can only divide a community that needs unification.

Tink, I can imagine you must feel that you are in a minority with your unique political and religious beliefs  in any given transsexual forum. For that reason I am very willing to give you wide berth, and I regularly read your right wing commentary without public comment. But putting abortion on the table is just a bad call, in my opinion.

Bri, respectfully.

Ps- Tink, if I can draw an analogy, like the Democrats - transsexuals have a big tent to fill. We have a plurality of views and all of them deserve respect. That said, wouldn't you agree it's best to concentrate on what unites us rather than divides us?

I hope that makes sense.
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tinkerbell

....and no, this is not a debate between pro-life and pro-choice members.  I don't speak for anyone else, just for myself, the one and only Tinkerbell :).  Everyone has his opinions about the different controversial issues affecting our world today.  Although I respect all points of view, I may not share them, so I am sorry if I offend you in any way with these poems

untitled

Mommy keep me safe,
Mommy keep me warm,
Handle me with all your love,
Mommy keep me from harm.
I'm only six weeks old today,
This birthday gift to me,
A pair of bright blue eyes,
That someday you will see.
I've barely got ears,
A little puppy nose,
and at the end of my feet,
Little things called toes.
Looking forward to my life,
toys, teddy bears, snails,
and long fairy tales.
Where are we going mommy,
in a bath, on a bus ride or,
perhaps far away.
Where are we going being pushed at all force.
How funny it feels passing through doors,
people dressed in green
If they hurt you mommy just scream.
What's happening mommy,
I'm starting to cry,
Mommy come quickly,
they're making me die,
Killing me quickly,
Pulling me apart,
everything inside of me
even my heart,
Bye mommy, good-bye
But how I wanted to see
the grass, the trees,
hear a sweet song,
feel a sweet breeze.
Bye mommy
good-bye
I love You
I really do
I just wish you could love me too.


unknown author
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cindianna_jones

Well Robin, I can't have any more babies, so your message is safe with me ;)

Cindi
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tinkerbell

Quote from: DawnL on October 14, 2006, 12:31:18 PM
So much worse than the atrocities of back alley abortions sought by desperate
women in desperate circumstances?Dawn

Yes, so much worse!

tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Posted on: October 21, 2006, 02:12:30 AM



BTW, if you see that your post has been modified by me...it just means that I have changed the title of the thread......I have not changed the content of your posts in anyway.... :)

tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Posted on: October 21, 2006, 12:45:10 PM
A life cut short

my hair is black, my eyes are brown
mommy, you'd love ,having me around
it's early yet, the month is one
though you can;t see me yet, i've just begun
one month later, the month is two
i'm still small, but a part of you
time is passing the month is three
i'm getting to be someone as you can see
still so small that I don't have to hide
i'm just a little seed inside
you'll love me mommy, just wait and see
i'm going to make you proud of me....


....I've got a new home now, the month is seven
mommy didn't want me, so now i'm in heaven
it's so beautiful, but now i'm gone
i have no memory to carry on
if I were still there now the month would be eight
i was m u r d e r e d by my mommy's own hand
i guess this is too young to understand
good-bye mommy, the month would be nine
i could've been living just fine
although i'm in heaven, I still have to cry
because of mommy, I had to die.

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From a woman who longs to be a mother

Why would you kill
A little part of you
You maybe young
But please watch what you do

Please let me plead
Plead my case in a life
To help me grow up
And not go to far with a knife

I am an innocent victim
Caught in the wrong time
But are you really
Cutting my life on a dime

I should have
The same rights as you
But if I could talk
What would you do

Please take a minute
To realize I love you mommy
Please take a look
There is a life in your tummy

We are connected
My heart beats for you
I trust your to protect me
And watch everything you do

Have you ever seen
What they do to me
Only if your could take a look
Or make you see

They send me through a tube
As I try to get away
But I am sucked up
Why do I have to pay

My limbs get ripped off
I am killed right there
But I realized my mommy
Really doesn't care

Why did this
Have to happen to me
I love you
Just take a minute to see.





tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Dennis

Quote from: Tinkerbell on October 21, 2006, 02:11:36 PM

BTW, if you see that your post has been modified by me...it just means that I have changed the title of the thread......I have not changed the content of your posts in anyway.... :)


Heh, I wondered about that. Looked the same to me, so I thought you might have clicked on the wrong post to modify. Thanks for explanation.

Dennis
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Brianna

Well, in the vein of political expression, here is my own Haiku on this issue.


"Wedge Issue" by Brianna

600,000 Iraqis dead
Pro-life voters dreamily elect their murderers
Hypocracy and irony escape them.
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tinkerbell

...and speaking of hypocrisy and irony.....a little bit off topic, but poems after all.... >:D

A time to talk?

When a friend calls to me from the road
And slows his horse to a meaning walk,
I don't stand still and look around
On all the hills I haven't hoed,
And shout from where I am, "What is it?"
No, not as there is a time to talk,
I thrust my hoe in the mellow ground,
Blade-end up and five feet tall,
And plod: I go up to the stone wall
For a friendly visit.

Robert Frost

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Edge

The woman is perfected.
Her dead
Body wears the smile of accomplishment,
The illusion of a Greek necessity
Flows in the scrolls of her toga,
Her bare
Feet seem to be saying:
We have come so far, it is over.
Each dead child coiled, a white serpent,
One at each little
Pitcher of milk, now empty.
She has folded
Them back into her body as petals
Of a rose close when the garden
Stiffens and odors bleed
From the sweet, deep throats of the night flower.
The moon has nothing to be sad about,
Staring from her hood of bone.
She is used to this sort of thing.
Her blacks crackle and drag.


Sylvia Plath

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E V E R Y T H I N G
I   N E E D   T O   K N O W...
  I   L E A R N E D   F R O M
N O A H'S    A R K



ONE:
Dont miss the boat.
TWO:
Remember that we are all in the same boat.
THREE:
Plan ahead.
It wasn't raining when Noah built  the Ark.
FOUR:
Stay fit.
When youre 600 years old,
someone may  ask you
to do  something  really big.
FIVE:
Dont listen to critics;
just get on with the  job that needs to be done.
SIX:
Build your future on high ground.
SEVEN:
For safety's sake, travel in pairs.
EIGHT:
Speed isn't always an advantage.
The snails  were on board  with  the cheetahs.
NINE:
When you're stressed, float a while.
TEN:
Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs;
the  Titanic by  professionals.
ELEVEN:
No matter the storm,
when you are with God,
there's always a rainbow waiting.

unknown author

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Real love


lies not in what is done and known,
but in what is done but not known.
"Only in growth, reform, and change,
paradoxically enough,
is true security to be found."

unknown author

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I AM THE SAME OLD ME


When I was in my younger days,
I weighed a few pounds less.
I needn't hold my tummy in
to wear a belted dress.

But now that I am older,
I've set my body free;
There's comfort of elastic
where once my waist would be.

Inventor of those high-heeled shoes
my feet have not forgiven;
I have to wear a nine now,
but used to wear a seven.

And how about those pantyhosE?
they're sized by weight, you see.
So how come when I put them on,
the crotch is at my knee?

I need to wear these glasses
as the print is getting smaller;
And it wasn't very long ago
I know that I was taller.

Though my hair has turned to silver
and my skin no longer fits;
On the inside, I'm the same old me,
just the outside's changed a bit.

unknown author

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......and now.....back to topic kitties!!!



Baby girl


A little baby girl screams out her silent cry
Knowing that her mother may chose for her to die
Abortion is a word she never wants to hear
As she gasps in her mother's womb so still and filled with fear.

A little baby girl screams out her silent cry
While thinking to herself and wondering why
How could her mother have chose this terrible choice
Does she not hear her baby crying with her tiny little voice?

"I tell her to be strong and not to let me go,
I love her so mush, and I just want her to know.
Why doesn't she listen to me? Doesn't she care?
It's my life too! What if I want to live, it's just not fair!"

A little baby girl screams out her silent cry
And much too soon among the angels she will fly
Her life is ending, even though it has truly not begun
Due to her mother's choice she will miss out on everything fun.

A little baby girl screams out her silent cry
Now only after a few weeks of life it's her time to die
Her life is slowly ending as her limbs are ripped apart
How could people get an abortion, don't they have a heart?

A little baby girl no longer screams out her silent cry
She now resides in heaven so high up in the sky
She sweetly smiles down at her mother and bows her head
As she sees her praying for forgiveness at the foot of her bed.

unknown author




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Posted on: October 21, 2006, 08:52:26 PM

Dear Mummy,

I am in heaven now, sitting on Jesus's lap. He loves me and cries with me, for my heart has been broken. I so wanted to be your little girl. I don't quite understand what has happened. I was so excited when I began realising my existence, I was in a dark, yet comfortable place. I saw I had fingers and toes. I was pretty far along in my developing, yet not near ready to leave my surrondings. I spend most of my time thinking or sleeping. Even from my earliest days, I felt a special bonding between you and me. Sometimes I heard you crying and I cried with you. Sometimes, you would yell and scream, then cry. I heard Daddy yelling back. I was sad, and hoped you would be better soon. I wondered why you cried so much. One day you cried almost all of the day. I hurt for you. I couldn't imagine why you were so unhappy. That same day, the most horrible thing happened. A very mean monster came into that warm, comfortable place I was in. I was so scared, I began screaming, but you never once tried to help me. Maybe you never heard me. The monster got closer and closer as I was screaming and screaming, "Mummy, mummy, help me, please; Mummy help me". Complete terror is all I felt. I screamed and screamed until I thought I couldn't anymore. Then the monster started ripping my arm off. It hurt so bad; the pain I can never explain. It didn't stop. Oh how I begged it to stop. I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg off. Though I was in such complete pain, I realized I was dying. I knew I would never see your face or hear you say how much you love me. I wanted to make all your tears go away. I had so many plans to make you happy. Now I couldn't; all my dreams were shattered. Though I was in utter pain and horror, I felt the pain of my heart breaking, above all. I wanted more than anything to be your daughter. No use now, for I was dying a painful death. I could only imagine the terrible things that they had done to you. I wanted to tell you that I love you before I was gone, but I didn't know the words you could understand. And soon, I no longer had the breath to say them; I was dead. I felt myself rising. I was being carried by a huge angel into a big beautiful place. I was still crying, but the physical pain was gone. The angel took me to see Jesus and set me on his lap. He said he loved me and that he was my Father. Then I was happy. I asked him what the thing was that killed me. He answered "Abortion. I am sorry my child; for I know how it feels". I don't know what abortion is; I guess that's the name of the monster. I'm writing to say that I love you and tell you how much I wanted to be your little girl. I wanted to live. I had the will, but I couldn't; the monster was to powerful. It s.u.c.k.e.d my arms and legs off and finally got all of me. It was impossible to live. I just wanted you to know I tried to stay with you. I didn't want to die. Also, Mummy, please watch out for that abortion monster. Mummy I love you and I would hate for you to go through the kind of pain I did. Please be careful.
Love,

Your Baby Girl



tinkerbell :icon_chick:



Posted on: October 24, 2006, 12:44:34 AM
No Tomorrow

I am going to die tomorrow,
But yet I haven't been born.
My mother shows no sorrow,
For I am a product of love torn.

I will never see the light of day,
I will never smell a flower,
I will never walk along a waters bay,
Or feel the drop of an Aprils shower.

Angel Towe

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Aborted


They said a mistake is what I would be
god's plan for my life they could not see.
I never got the chance to be president
and time with my grandad I never spent.
I never had a wagon all shiney and red
i never even got to sleep in a bed.
I never went to school, never learned to write or read
not a chance in my life to do one good deed.
They called it her choice said it was her right
so she chose abortion over holding me tight.
Now my soul's in heaven with everyone of my kind
all the aborted babies that mom's and dad's left behind.

unknown author

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untitled

I would like to share a little poem with you all now

in a far away place and a different time
i kil led my child, a most heinous crime.

The state didn't come, and I didn't stand trial.
Judge blackmun was calm when he said with a smile,
"kil ling is legal, say we the high court.
But don't call it mur der. Just call it 'abort'"

the judge in my heart would not let the case rest.
I had no defense when once put to the test.
Found guilty I was by my heart's supreme court.
"you mur der ed your baby!" they screamed in retort.

With tears on my cheeks it was too late, I knew
to bring back the life of the child I once slew.
The gavel slammed sown, and it rang in my head,
"you are guilty as charged, and deserve to be dead."

"we now give you torment to pay for your sin,"
was the sentence passed down from my own court within.
"you will never escape. You're branded. Don't hide.
Your just due is death. You should try suicide."

i was beaten in prison by daily attack.
I was paying a debt, so I never fought back.
No hope of escaping, and this I knew well.
I cried out to god from my own self-made hell.

That day I met jesus; he smiled in my face.
He said, "i forgive you. Come walk in my grace."
"lord, I believe you forgive me and yet,
blameless you are. Can you pay for my debt?"

"and, lord, please don't touch me for: I am unclean.
I'm filthy with mu rd er, a most wretched being."
i poured out my story. He showed no surprise.
I gazed up with awe at the love in his eyes.

He said, "i paid for your crime, yes, was nailed to a tree.
There's no condemnation if you'll trust in me.
I took on your blame, and your curse on my soul
so you may be free without judgement and whole."

i sputtered, "dear lord, where's the justice in this?
I killed my own son, and you offer me bliss?"
tears blurred my vision, yet there in his face
were eyes of compassion, blue oceans of grace.

I thought to myself, "now the past has been buried?
I'm free of the guilt that for years I have carried?"
he said to accept. It's a gift that is free.
This is atonement, not justice for me!

My judge was dismissed, my accusers, and jury.
The truth of his love made them leave in a fury.
He smiled, "walk with me and come learn of my way,"
and grasping his hand I began a new day. 

unknown author

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Scared


I began screaming, but you never once tried to help me. Maybe you never heard me. The monster got closer and closer as I was screaming and screaming, "Mommy, Mommy, help me please; Mommy, help me." Complete terror is all I felt. I screamed and screamed until I thought I couldn't anymore. Then the monster started ripping my arms off. It hurt so bad; the pain I can never explain. It didn't stop. Oh, how I begged it to stop. I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg off. Though I was in such complete pain, I was dying. I knew I would never see your face or hear you say how much you love me. I wanted to make all your tears go away. I had so many plans to make you happy. Now I couldn't; all my dreams were shattered. Though I was in utter pain and horror, I felt the pain of my heart breaking, above all. I wanted more than anything to be your daughter. No use now, for I was dying a painful death. I could only imagine the terrible things that they had done to you.


unknown author

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Posted on: October 26, 2006, 08:22:49 PM

My Choice

I cannot love you now
I cannot love you now

One night I discovered you, an unexpected surprise
The tears swelled up, and flowed from my saddened eyes.

I cried myself to sleep, for I knew what I had to do.
I thought about my life, and then I thought of you.

Unborn, so very small innocent and unaware,
I know that my decision must seem haste and unfair,

But there is no way I could keep you here inside of me,
If only you could understand my reasons, if only you could see,

I can not keep you now, now is not the time.
But one day, I will be able to call you mine.

Some say that I am wrong, I am denying you a voice.
But I will not beg forgiveness, for this is my choice.

I shall not overwhelm myself with the burden of regret.
Even though they say that it's murder, when we never even met.

Still, I can not help but think what might of become of you,
but in life there are mistakes and some you can undo.

jade healy

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Goodbye My Child


Goodbye my awaiting child,
I cannot let you become.
I made the wrong choice,
And now you must be undone.
Will you come back to me,
When I am truly ready.

It's not a lack of love for you,
the timing is not right.
I will hold you in my arms one day,
and tuck you in some night.

Please try to forgive me,
I am your mother now, and I will be again.

unknown author

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Too Late


Everyone makes mistakes,
Some turn into regret.
Some fade into the darkness,
Some you never will forget.
I've had my share of both,
A few weigh heavy on my mind.
This one drives me crazy,
This one makes me blind.
I know God has his reasons,
At the time I couldn't see them.
I'm the one who did it,
No one else to blame.
Careless moments of pleasure
Traded for an eternity of pain.
Time stood still,
I didn't know what to do.
Afraid to tell what was going on,
Scared I wouldn't be good for you.
At the time I didn't realize,
How serious it would be.
Putting an end to you,
Put the end to me.
I don't know who I am,
Not sure of where to turn.
I try not to think,
But my mind constantly burns.
Things could've been different,
I learned a little too late.
Did I stray,
Or was this fate?
I'm sorry for what I've done to you,
With no way to let you know.
If we could trade places,
I'd would gladly go.

unknown author


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Before and After


The OR nurse is almost unrecognized in the halls
where her full face shows, breath openly contaminates the air,
sneezes spraying , laughing and eating, touching everything
with naked fingers, where her body is revealed
and she walks like a woman, hips bumping into edges,
hair hanging loose, limbs crossing over surfaces until nothing is clean.
The OR nurse washes her hands before and after
and before and after and before and after, she strips scrub
and pees and looks for blood, wishes for it, waits for it,
washes her hands before and after and still nothing. She stands
on a step stool at the edge of the sterile field,
as a cyst the size of her head is lifted from the belly.
This becomes the specific nightmare of the OR nurse,
that something huge like that grows in her
without telling. The surgeon laughs "oh, we would tell you,"
as if he would know, as if anyone can see anything happening,
all the malignant possibilities lurking their time under the layers,
epidermis, dermis, subcutaneous fat, fascia, serosa, muscle,
cavity. For example between cases she is washing her hands
before and after and looking for blood until she comes to know
it won't be there. She stands at the stirruped legs of a D and C,
watching thick plum tissue whisked out through the cervix,
away through a tube, measured in a fat clean jar.
All she has to do is ask, the doctor will slip her a drug
that costs sixteen cents, maybe fifty dollars on the streets of Mexico,
but free to an OR nurse, to save her from a waiting room
of a clinic in another city. White baby aspirin size salvation.
At the sink the doctor scrubs skin from his forearms, his wrists,
under his nails, giving her instructions to solve the bleeding,
really just a matter of disrupting extra cells, like washing hands
the way they were taught, how warm water lifts oils from crevices,
soap emulsifies, and friction. It's a matter of some vigorous intent,
time, devotion to the task. No crying will be necessary,
before or after. The OR nurse notes significant times:
patient in the room, surgeon in the room, anesthesia begun,
complete, first cutting, closing, and anesthesia rolled backwards
like time in a rug, like an hourglass tipped on end.
She counts the sponges, the sharps, the blades.
It's a matter of what should be there, inside, and what should not.

Jessica Manke

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Fetus


Fetus, little accidental cluster,
celly jelly mass of potential,
sanctified smear of blood tissue.

I cannot write to you unless
I call you a you. But I doubt you are.
I deny you are listening.

You beat only, obstinately hearted,
and divide as if there were room,
the whole dark uterus to yourself.

What do I want to tell you, to return
for sheets of nausea thrown over my head
like banners of your presence?

I should not have to talk to someone not there.
But there lies your power: that you might be.
Your future fists demand an explanation.

I try, with this image of veering out of traffic,
my thigh mangling in the bicycle frame.
An awareness of being made of meat.

Whereas you: like a blackberry, still unripe.
I checked textbooks for your picture,
and I know your life size compares to a bean.

I fully realize I'm making you a vegetable,
classing you in a whole other kingdom.
Fetus, I will not ask you to forgive,

only to bleed out of my way,
you sorry dark string of snot,
interruption interruptus, mistake, shame.

Jessica Manke

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A Letter From My Unborn Child


I am your worst fear. I was made out of your carelessness, your fleeing feelings as he held you. And you were filled with my life and you knew at that instant that I was inside of you.

I clung to your womb but you said nothing and no one could see. I was there, hidden, covered by your skin. And you forgot, you did, you let yourself believe that I was merely a thought, just paranoia inside your head. But you couldn't ignore me forever.

I took over your body and with every breath you took, you could feel my presence. So you lashed out at him because you felt angry. Sad. Unsure. But he couldn't see me, he didn't know. You held the secret of my residence until the night the tears came. And he wouldn't let you leave. Not until you spoke and you finally broke down.

You told him our secret that I was living, breathing, and feeding off the little strength you had left. You feared me then, because you loved me still. You were excited at the thought of me even though I brought you such despair. I made you sick. You couldn't eat except what I craved.

Yet you wanted me. You wanted things to be different so you could hold on to me forever. But you couldn't. So young. You couldn't see yourself beside me. You prayed for strength. You prayed for my soul and yours as well.

But the day soon came when you made your choice. You held me, pressing your arms across your stomach. You talked to me and you talked to the sky, praying for a God you weren't certain existed to hear you, to help us on our way. You chose to let go of me. I left your body and you were empty.

I watched you even after I left the warm comfort of your womb. I watched you sleep and you held me in your arms as you dreamed. You wrote me poems. You spoke of your love and your loss and the softness of my skin. Because you will never forget. You still feel my absence within your belly. Hot tears still burn your face whenever you think of me. You love me, though I am gone from you forever.

But I forgive you. I forgive you for stealing the life from my body. I forgive you for not thinking of me before I came to be. I forgive you for making the only choice that you could see. Because my eyes are still pure, though I cease to exist in the human world. I am a reminder to you of the innocence that you lost when I came into your life. I keep you away from the path that led you to the place where I was conceived.

And when you smile, I am not vengeful. When you smile, I live for a moment inside you, once more.

unknown author

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Laurry

Couldn't help myself...had to make a comment...

While I am about as politically conservative as you can get (not counting the wackos), I do not favor making abortions illegal.  Nobody wants the days of back-alley butchers to return.  That being said, abortions are a tragedy in many ways.  Reasonable people should see that there is a lot of ground in the middle to reach a compromise.

The Pro-Choice crowd accuses the Pro-Life folks of wanting to force women to seek the "clothes-hanger wielding back-alley butchers"

The Pro-Life crowd accuses the Pro-Choice folks of wanting complete abortion on demand, up to seconds before birth, with no restrictions at all (like parental or spousal notification).

Sadly, these positions are actually held by the lunatic fringe on each side.  Most people fall much nearer the center.

Whatever your beliefs and ideologies, don't fall prey to the extreme rhetoric each side spews.

Can things like partial-birth abortion really "save the life of the mother"?  Complete the delivery and let a waiting couple adopt the child, don't bring it half-way out and kill it.  But for goodness sakes, don't make it illegal for a woman to obtain an abortion--who are you to judge?  There is only one supreme being, and that job is already taken.

....I know, I know...I shouldn't have posted this...I do not want to start a debate, but rather to find some common ground on which to unite.  This issue tends to force people to one extreme or another, and when one refuses to truly try to understand the positions of those who disagree with them, all hope of compromise is lost.  You may still completly disagree, but you have shown respect for the other person by taking the time to understand why they believe the way they do.

This topic seemed like it was getting a little catty with some of the comments that were flying around.  I don't have to agree with what you say, but I do have to respect your opinion if I want you to respect mine.

.......Laurie   
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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tinkerbell

Quote from: LaurieO on October 26, 2006, 11:41:11 PM
Couldn't help myself...had to make a comment...

While I am about as politically conservative as you can get (not counting the wackos), I do not favor making abortions illegal.  Nobody wants the days of back-alley butchers to return.  That being said, abortions are a tragedy in many ways.  Reasonable people should see that there is a lot of ground in the middle to reach a compromise.

The Pro-Choice crowd accuses the Pro-Life folks of wanting to force women to seek the "clothes-hanger wielding back-alley butchers"

The Pro-Life crowd accuses the Pro-Choice folks of wanting complete abortion on demand, up to seconds before birth, with no restrictions at all (like parental or spousal notification).

Sadly, these positions are actually held by the lunatic fringe on each side.  Most people fall much nearer the center.

Whatever your beliefs and ideologies, don't fall prey to the extreme rhetoric each side spews.

Can things like partial-birth abortion really "save the life of the mother"?  Complete the delivery and let a waiting couple adopt the child, don't bring it half-way out and kill it.  But for goodness sakes, don't make it illegal for a woman to obtain an abortion--who are you to judge?  There is only one supreme being, and that job is already taken.

....I know, I know...I shouldn't have posted this...I do not want to start a debate, but rather to find some common ground on which to unite.  This issue tends to force people to one extreme or another, and when one refuses to truly try to understand the positions of those who disagree with them, all hope of compromise is lost.  You may still completly disagree, but you have shown respect for the other person by taking the time to understand why they believe the way they do.

This topic seemed like it was getting a little catty with some of the comments that were flying around.  I don't have to agree with what you say, but I do have to respect your opinion if I want you to respect mine.

.......Laurie   


Exactly!  and if you have noticed, the poems have been shifting somehow, the tone, the point of view are slowly moving to the other "extreme" if you will.  Actually that was my intention from the start, to create a thread with poems showing   "a transition" from the pro-life to the pro-choice point of view of abortion.   Either way, I know I will be receiving more PM's from some of you, and I really don't mind to tell you the truth, for I think that is the purpose of these forums, to discuss, to agree, to disagree, to share, to criticize, to support....etc :)  As you have pointed out, most of us don't fall into the extremes of things; at least I know that I don't, for I know that there are exceptions for everything........Nuff said... :-X :-X

Thank you for your comments, Laurie.


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Brianna

"The Righteous" by Brianna


Speak the truth
Hear the bull->-bleeped-<-
See the lies
Smile and nod
Go home at the end of the night


Shalom alichem. It must be nice to so certian about everything... Shalom Aleichem.

Bri
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tinkerbell

''If we are willing and obedient, we are promised a Comforter that will guide us into all Truth, not just some; and if we have not yet been guided into all Truth we should be careful to make judgments not based on all the evidence.  Juries that render verdicts without hearing all the evidence often find the guilty innocent, or innocent guilty.  Gustave Becker."


"Essential to the advancement of any cause is a clear understanding of the dynamics that oppose that cause.  Gustave Becker."


Trash

You feel naked
You feel alone
To get rid of this mess
It consumes your body
It consums your soul

Secret trash
No one will know
No one will see
But it's not just trash
It's a he or a she

You pay the dollar
And feel the pain
You want compassion
But to the disposers
The faces are all the same

And the one who makes the choice
Is not the one to blame

The trash is gone now
No one will know
You've completed the task
You no longer have to hide
The trash is secret from everyone
But it's not a secret to your mind

Secret trash
No one will know
No one will see
But it's not just trash
It's a he or a she.

Carolyn Gargaro

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Silent Scream


At the moment of conception a miracle happens
When a spirit is joined with flesh;
The heart starts to beat and blood begins flowing
As the baby and soul enmesh.

Yes, the fetus is a living and hopeful being,
Looking forward to a life on earth.
What changes would we see on this earth today,
Had all been allowed natural birth?

But millions of babies are senselessly slaughtered
For the crime of being unwanted.
While the Liberal's carp, "It's a woman's choice!"
And into the trash heap they're shunted.

The soul within the baby screams,
"Please, give me a chance at life!"
But the silent screams of the unborn child
Are muted by the surgeon's knife.

They tell themselves, "The fetus can't feel."
As it's torn from the mother's womb.
And this miracle of life is cruelly murdered
With a Dumpster for a tomb.

John McKee

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Posted on: October 27, 2006, 08:23:08 PM

Untitled

If ever mercy move you murder me,
I pray you, kindly killers, let me live.
Never conspire with death to set me free,
but let me know such life as pain can give.
Even though I be a clot, an aching clench,
a stub, a stump, a butt, a scab, a knob,
a screaming pain, a putrefying stench,
still let me live, so long as life shall throb.
Even though I turn such traitor to myself
as beg to die, do not accomplice me.
Even though I seem not human, a mute shelf
of glucose, bottled blood, machinery
to swell the lungs and pump the heart -- even so,
do not put out my life. Let me still glow.

unknown author

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Untitled


Rolling side to side in my warm mother,
the juices of life pulsing through my veined skin,
wild juices of calves' tongues and loose
stretchy kid skin like young gray wrens.
I drink unborn water in the Garfield back room
in the dark while my mother cries.
The prodding of wolves' teeth,
eyes red and ailing, the shaking
of orange clay and cracked slate, the loosening,
exposing the underground creatures to full sky,
the greased worms are screaming, the dead moles stay dead.
This is the feeling.

unknown author

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Day 57


It has been 57 days since i went to the clinic, and contrary to popular belief, time does not heal all wounds. i feel as empty today as i did the day i let you die.

i have many reasons, many answers, many excuses for my decision. but the most logical, not to mention the most truthful, is that i am a selfish hopeless pig. i did not think of you. i did not think of the firsts you would have had, the smiles you would have smiled, the scraped elbows, the hockey games, the bullies at school, the spelling bee victories. i did not think of your first tooth, your first day of school, your first girlfriend, your first child. i did not think of these things.

now, i live each day trying to convince myself that what I've done is the "right decision for me". i try to believe that it is better this way, that i can always have more children, and that your soul is simply waiting for me to be ready for you.

You know what, Jacob? that's bull!

fact of the matter is, i regret what I've done. i could have made it work, Jacob. we could have been all right, just me, you and your older sister. it didn't matter that you were conceived out of rape. you were MINE. and as trite as it sounds now, i love you. always have since the beginning of time. always will.

please believe me, my jacob samuel, you're better off without me. i'm a full of it!

unknown author


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untitled
Inside me you lived.
For such a short time.
I gave my consent.
I committed a crime.

Life was a gift.
That you did not receive.
I loved you more.
Than you'd ever believe,

Talking to you,
As I turn out the light,
"I love you, you know?
I miss you. Goodnight."

Now you are living,
In a world up above.
I can't see you or touch you
But I give you my love.

The Angel up there,
Who's hand that you hold;
She'll be watching you for me,
Until it's my hand you hold.

I'll see you one day,
When we meet in the sky,
"This hello is forever,
Never again a goodbye."

The pain I remember,
Of letting you go.
I think of you always
I love you. You know?

unknown author


Really???  huh!!!

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To The Place Unknown

You could've been someone
And I took that away,
It was the hardest thing I've done
But I have life to play.

You could have been someone,
So where are you today?
Where tunes are played and songs are sung
And time knows no delay.
Where flowers bloom their petals bright
There is no day, there is no night,
No-one hates and no-one fights
And you all glow eternal light.
Do you smile when angels fly?
Do you hear me when I cry?
I know that you have no life to live,
But all I ask is for you to Forgive.

unknown author


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Posted on: October 29, 2006, 08:59:33 AM


Silent Cry

A Silent Cry A Silent Scream
WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN
WHY WON'T YOU SEE?


A Silent Cry A Silent Scream
YOU PROTECT GOD'S GREEN, BUT WHY NOT ME?


A Silent Cry A Silent Scream
LOOK ME IN THE EYES SAY I'M NOT ALIVE...


A Silent Cry A Silent Scream
MY HEART IS BEATING
SOON NOT TO BE
BECAUSE INSIDE MY MOM
MAY BECOME DEATH TO ME   
   
  Marco Marchiani


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"Tomorrow"

I hear a voice crying out from the bellies of their mommas
Hold on for today don't worry about tomorrow
Though the rains of today seem to fall with sorrow
Let me be and we'll see this life for tomorrow


I hear a cry going out in the middle of the night
Under the scatter of the stars from a voice cracked with fright
And as the tears stripe cheeks from pain running south
The taste of salt hits the corner of her mouth
Resting on tied toungues with no breath left to speak
Sick of throwing up with no bread left to eat
Tired and confused from disillusionment
Sunny days turn to grey and away he went
Ripping the hooks out your heart from the promises at dark
The words found their mark as the sheets came apart


Every spoken word broken
As he flipped you a token
Kiss on the cheek as his feet found the open door
What's in store for you he didn't question
Shook his burden to the floor to leave you guessing
About the future and what it will unfold
But you're still standing there rockin' it so bold like


Holding on these songs of hope
I cannot sing them without you
Holding on, holding on


You can't just point a finger and say it's alright
Make a trip downtown and put it out of sight
Because two came together so strong one night
And two wrongs don't make one right
Giving a voice to the voiceless saying it's choiceless
'Cause they're priceless my princess


I feel the kicks and the churns give me a turn
And a shot at this world to fight the fight
To beat my plight and let my light shine
In this dark time with all its ways of wearing crime
And let this world drown in these ultrasounds
Hearing this heart beats speak sweet so profound
From beat down to higher ground
Where hope abounds with love that astounds
Les Miserables this ain't no miserable daughter
Calling you Cossette 'cause God will be your father.   
 


Matt Kearney

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"To Zion"

Unsure what the balance held - I touched my belly overwhelmed - by what I haven't chosen to perform - but then an Angel came one day and told me to kneel down and pray - for unto me a man-child would be born. 


Oh, this crazy circumstance - I knew his life deserved a chance but everybody told me to be smart - look at your career they said - Lauryn baby use your head  but instead I chose to use my heart.


Now the joy of my world is in Zion - How beautiful and nothing more  than to wait inside his door - I've never been in love like this before


Now let me pray to keep you from - the perils that will surely come to life for you, my prayers has just begun - and I thank you for choosing me to come through a new life to be - the beautiful reflection of His grace


See I know that a gift so great - is only one God could create
And I'm reminded every time I see your face - That the joy of my world is in Zion.   

   
Lauryn Hill

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Untitled song

We walked in and sat alone in a corner and faced the wall
Hiding behind the fear and shame
We talked but I just listened
She was sorry for it all
And that's how I found out my name
So I said


Why can't we talk it over?
It doesn't have to end this way
Don't you think I should have a say?
Can't we just talk it over?
Why must not pay for your mistakes?
Let's grab our things and leave this place
Let's get out of here


It's not that I blame you for the human that you are
Just for the faith that you don't have
And I know you told me a thousand times before
That it's the best thing for the both of us right now
But I say


Can't we just talk it over?
Why does it have to end this way?
I just seems I should have a say
Can't we just talk it over?
Don't make me pay for your mistakes
Let's grab our things and leave this place
Let's get out of here
Let's get out of here
What are we doing here?


Cause I just question your intentions and your reasons for it all
And shouldn't someone else be here with us or have you done this before
And pardon me for sounding so insensitive to your feelings but I
I got feelings of my own and you're about to hurt them


So why can't we talk this over?
There must be something I can say
That just might make you change your mind
And after we talk things over
You'll see that we are not alone
Let's grab our things and blow this place
Let's get out of here.

unknown author


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Posted on: November 03, 2006, 12:29:38 AM


Winter Trees

The wet dawn inks are doing their blue dissolve.
On their blotter of fog the trees
Seem a botanical drawing.
Memories growing, ring on ring,
A series of weddings.

Knowing neither abortions nor bitchery,
Truer than women,
They seed so effortlessly!
Tasting the winds, that are footless,
Waist-deep in history.

Full of wings, otherworldliness.
In this, they are Ledas.
O mother of leaves and sweetness
Who are these pietas?
The shadows of ringdoves chanting, but chasing nothing.

Sylvia Plath

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The Abortion

Somebody who should have been born
is gone.

Just as the earth puckered its mouth,
each bud puffing out from its knot,
I changed my shoes, and then drove south.

Up past the Blue Mountains, where
Pennsylvania humps on endlessly,
wearing, like a crayoned cat, its green hair,

its roads sunken in like a gray washboard;
where, in truth, the ground cracks evilly,
a dark socket from which the coal has poured,

Somebody who should have been born
is gone.

the grass as bristly and stout as chives,
and me wondering when the ground would break,
and me wondering how anything fragile survives;

up in Pennsylvania, I met a little man,
not Rumpelstiltskin, at all, at all...
he took the fullness that love began.

Returning north, even the sky grew thin
like a high window looking nowhere.
The road was as flat as a sheet of tin.

Somebody who should have been born
is gone.

Yes, woman, such logic will lead
to loss without death. Or say what you meant,
you coward... this baby that I bleed.


Anne Sexton

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The Lost Baby Poem


the time i dropped your almost body down
down to meet the waters under the city
and run one with the sewage to the sea
what did i know about waters rushing back
what did i know about drowning
or being drowned

you would have been born into winter
in the year of the disconnected gas
and no car     we would have made the thin
walk over genesee hill into the canada wind
to watch you slip like ice into strangers' hands
you would have fallen naked as snow into winter
if you were here i could tell you these
and some other things

if i am ever less than a mountain
for your definite brothers and sisters
let the rivers pour over my head
let the sea take me for a spiller
of seas let black men call me a stranger
always for your never named sake

Lucille Clifton

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The Twenty-Year Fear


She was twenty. He was twenty-eight.
She was a college junior.
He was a man of the world.
"The Graduate."
Or so the world thought.
They were eight years apart,
and about a million miles.
His secret was already old,
gathering dust in front of a camera.
Hers was being written
as those spring buds bloomed.
As the light came up on the world once again.
Hers was being decided by
someone she didn't recognize,
without a second look back,
for fear she would fall into oblivion.
Without her secret,
her future seemingly
finished sharply,
right then and there,
like the sea on a flat earth.
How poorly a happy childhood had prepared her,
because it was what had not yet ended.
If they could but trade their secrets
for these twenty years, would they?
She would, in a child's heartbeat.
She was not the thirteen-year-old girl
in the woman's body any longer.
Wholly changed by her selfishness,
her blindness. And she has to live with
all that she was, every day of her life.
If time could turn backward, indeed.
She can't leave the baggage at the curb,
or change its contents. Ever.
Ironic that he probably can change his,
if he only stopped to think about it.
So little of the world understands secrets.
They clamor to know,
then run screaming for the exit.
They throw the first stones anyway.
Even if all that's handy are words.
How could she throw a stone?
How could she not forgive?
How could she look squarely
at her reflection in his eyes,
and not flinch at what she saw there?
How could he ever forgive her?
'Though he wasn't her victim,
he could be her judge and jury,
if she let him.
If he only knew, he would understand.
He would see why she forgave him the first times.
Why she didn't run away from his secrets.
Why she could see them in the first place.
Why she grasped his fear as though it was her own?
It was her own. But for very different sins.
His secrets didn't begin as his own fault,
most likely.
Hers did.
So, no one is to blame
but her, for hers,
and, now, him, for his...


...But he wasn't there, then.
It wasn't him.
She hadn't even known he was alive.
A million miles apart, then, as now,
and living villages away.
Now she is forty; he is forty-eight.
She forgave him for the last time too.
She had to.
She had predetermined,
twenty years ago,
that she would have no choice
but to do so again, one last time.
The world wouldn't see why;
only why she had to move on.
It couldn't explain her willingness
to still forgive, after what he'd done.
If only he would ask, he would know.
If only he would relieve her fear.
If only he could ask for directions.
If only he could do for her
what she couldn't do for herself.
If only he could.

Deirdre Weaver

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Coming Home from the Exorcist



The needles and the hoses
and the cold metal table are behind me
the flailing cramps, deep in my gut
feel like loneliness, my body abandoned
by its malignant
tenant.

Memories of
cold rubber gloves
and the doctor's stone face
drip away
like the afterbirth of someone else's domestic dreams.
I bury the carrion fantasy
and think of brighter things, like

how much easier it must be
to be a man, and how much pain
an unloved child might feel,
and how babies go straight to heaven, no matter who their parents are.

Death is a better mother, sweetheart.
She'll never
let you go.

Unknown author

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A Personal View


One day you will understand why I had to lie on that table.
All of the running left me nowhere
except 3 months pregnant, young and able.
I often sit here and wonder, how motherhood would be.
Would I be able to give you the love that god intended you to see?
I know it wasn't fair to you, I know you had no choice in the matter.
As time went on it was only one more step up the ladder.
I could feel you growing. Oh what a feeling,
Of something I created, through all of that wheeling and dealing.
Even though I knew you were wrong, you were still my baby.
All the mixed up feelings, should I keep you? Maybe!
I was so confused inside, but yet you were still growing.
Decisions decisions so hard to make could I give you up knowing.
That all the love I have inside could have been for you.
But now it's too late and I don't know what to do.
What if you were a girl, rocking you to bed every night.
Kissing you gently as I turned off the light.
Would you have been a boy? So small in every way.
Little fingers and little toes I wonder everyday.
What would you look like it is killing me inside.
It has hurt me so bad all I want to do is hide.
No one understands how I felt, lying there under that light.
And everything I gave up on that cold dark lonely night.
Now it's all over. You were there and now your not.
I can't seem to put it behind, and I think about you a lot.
Life is full of many decisions; you have to do what is right.
The only way for me to succeed was to give you up to god that night.
I am a baby myself. I have a lot of growing up to do.
I don't think that I could handle it and that wouldn't be fair to you.
No matter what the decision was, I'd have to deal with it forever.
All of the confusion I feel inside, would I do it again? Never!
Going against god in all ways, having sex with a stranger.
No love involved just mystery and danger.
In the doctors office I thought, " Oh no not me!"
But yes it was true, yes a baby it will be.
All of the tears I cried. It was all a lesson taught.
One night of passion and then I was caught.
No one to turn to all-alone by myself.
With nowhere to go like a dusty book on the shelf.
Since the night it happened I haven't been the same.
All I can do is hide my head in shame.
Did you feel the pain I felt? That digging feeling inside?
When it was all over, all I could do was cry.
To think that I hurt you in such a way.
My heart aches to hold you, the only thing I can say is,
I'm sorry I love you!


Jennifer Wakefield




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Brianna

Tink, if abortion bothers you so much, don't have one. Abortion is an issue of access to health care - exactly like the treatment of transsexualism. You expected others to let you control YOUR body enough to transition - even if they didn't agree morally, medically or otherwise.

This seems like a massive double standard to me.

bri
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tinkerbell

I think that abortion bothers anyone who has respect for human life regardless of what other people feel about it.

tinkerbell :icon_chick:



See no Evil

I FLOAT INSIDE HER WOMB
OH MOTHER, I AM COMING SOON
SUDDENLY, FEAR AND DREAD
WHEN MOTHER SAYS SHE WANTS ME DEAD

OH HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME?

(PRE CHORUS:)

THOUSANDS COME
PLEASE DON`T KILL ME
THOUSANDS GO
I WANT TO LIVE
DAY BY DAY
CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?
THE NUMBERS GROW
I WANT TO LIVE

(CHORUS:)

GOD HEARS THEM CRY
WE HEAR THE LIE
AND WE SIMPLY LOOK THE OTHER WAY

(CHORUS:)

SEE NO EVIL
HEAR NO EVIL
SPEAK NO EVIL

FROM A PAIL WITH OPEN EYES
I SEE THE MAN THAT I DESPISE
HE LOOKS AT ME AND TURNS HIS BACK
AS MY LIFE FADES; IT FADES TO BLACK
AND THERE'S NO TURNING BACK

(PRE CHORUS:)
(CHORUS:)

(MOMMY, CAN YOU HEAR ME?)
(MOMMY, MOMMY, I'M AFRAID)

SEE NO EVIL
HEAR NO EVIL
SPEAK NO EVIL

Song composed by Holy Soldier
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Brianna

That doesn't necasarily follow. I repect human life, which is why I'm so upset about the 600,000 people we've murdered in Iraq. But abortion doesn't bother me at all - especially from a "human life" perspective. It's not "life," it's a clump of cells.

Coming back to my point, don't you think it's a double standard to say "I should be able to make the choice to transition with my body" but to also say "A woman should not be able to make the choice to have an abortion with hers." I mean, the principle seems to be the same to me - which is personal choice. Not to mention health care.

Bri
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Tinkerbell on October 14, 2006, 04:46:25 AM

A friend of mine and I were discussing abortion tonight.  We disagreed on some issues concerning abortion physicians, and well, he had the nerve to send me a few poems of this sort to clarify his points.  The words are very powerful and obviously depict the atrocities of abortion.   :'( :'( >:( >:(


tinkerbell :icon_chick:

  Hi Tinkerbell,

   The way I understand your post is that you disagreed with your friend concerning abortion doctors and then your friend sent you the poem? At first, I thought you were showing us the poem because you were horrified by the fact that someone would send you something like that after a disagreement, but are you saying that you agree with the sentiment of the poem and that you were sharing the sentiment with us?

  I'm not taking sides. I'm just trying to clarify the intent of the post because sometimes I need things to be spelled out for me. (no Joking).

  I think what you are saying is that you disagreed with your friend, but that you do believe that an abortion is, of course, a terrible tragedy and that you were surprised that the person felt the need to send you such a graphic poem.

 
Respectfully,

Rebecca
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