GRS w/out vagina

[Laura_7]

Quite a few posters don't seem to have any statistics or anything under their name.  Is this something new or have I not been paying attention.

Take care everyone,
Paige

They have deleted their accounts, for whatever reason.


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[Paige]

They have deleted their accounts, for whatever reason.
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must have been data lost in a server migration, i thought they were dead accounts, but jenny is still active

Thanks for the info Laura and Serenation.

Paige

[Laura_7]

must have been data lost in a server migration, i thought they were dead accounts, but jenny is still active

The account Rejennyrated is written with a capital r ... its another acount...


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[Rue]

I've seriously considered cosmetic GRS. I'm still considering it . By the time I complete transition, I'll be almost 60, and given that I lost the great love of my life last year, I don't think I'll ever entertain another relationship.

[Devlyn]

They are deleted accounts, Jenny is here under a new one. 

Hugs, Devlyn

[Lady Curiosity]

I've been considering this surgery too. Although I don't like that it's called "cosmetic" or "partial" srs. My reasons for doing so is that for one I'm asexual and in an asexual relationship and would remain in asexual relationships even if I wasn't with my current partner. My other major reason is I don't want to dilate and I would like a faster recovery time.


Does anyone have any information on surgeons who actually perform this procedure. I'm looking for someone in the US if possible. I'm not able to have the surgery yet but am just planning ahead.


Cara

[Susan Dundee]

Cara

I live in the United Kingdom so not up to speed re the US but imagine it is available there.  Dr James Bellringer in London does both the full srs and the 'cosmetic' operation.

Like you if in a relationship whether with a male or female I believe it would be asexual and like you would like a quicker recovery time and avoiding dilation. 

Kindest regards

Susan x

[Lady Curiosity]

Thanks Susan! I wouldn't mind going out of country, it's just if I ever get health insurance that would cover grs I don't think they'd pay to have it done out of country. So, I'd have to pay out of pocket. I'd still love to visit London and other parts of the UK someday though.

[OCAnne]

Dr. Tody Meltzer out of Arizona does SRS without a vaginal vault.  Bonus! Cost less as well.
Thank you,
Anne

[Joi]

I will be 68 when I have my GCS in Jan.  My surgeon (Dr. Chett.) strongly advised that I consider the cosmetic option.  I strongly considered it.  I identify as lesbian and thought that perhaps I could make due with just oral gratification if I was fortunate to find a partner.  After due consideration though, I elected to opt out of this option.  I'll only get one shot at this and one of the other girls on the forum posted that after the surgery, I might find that I felt that I wasn't complete down there and that this could lead to emotional and psychological issues which I would never be able to resolve.  Also, if I tire of dilating or find that when I'm 80, sex just wont be a part of the equation and I can stop dilating and let nature take its course.  You can ask me how it all turned out in 2027.  

[Girl Beyond Doubt]

When I started my transition, I was not and never had been interested in men. I have always had fantasies being the female in M/F penetrative sex, but the actual guys have always freaked me out.
With HRT and over the years of my transition, the kind of reaction that men show towards me has started to shift from frowning, ridicule and disgust towards ogling and daydreaming while checking me out (pity I haven't had one run into a wall or a signpost because of me, though).

It came as a complete surprise to me how much I like their positive attention.

Now, when I return their gaze, I am very conscious of my new anatomy, what I could do with it, and how that would feel like for them. They can see it in my eyes. It adds so much to my confidence, it gives me a feeling of power I had not known before. I would never give that up.

[Lady Curiosity]

Thank you so much Anne! I never thought to call it a partial vaginoplasty. 2 nights in the hospital vs 9? Yes please! Lol.

Joi, you should do what is right for you and if that's having the full srs procedure then I say "go for it!"

Girl Beyond Doubt, I can definitely understand how that attention must make you feel. I haven't experienced it but I can still imagine it. I just hope you don't ever let anyone force you into something. Take your time and learn what you want. I can definitely see what kind of power you speak of. If I was a cis girl I'd probably be all sorts of powerful. I'd hope I wouldn't abuse it though. Hehe.

[Kellam]

So glad to find this topic, I posted a thread about this in the non-binary forum but haven't gotten any responses. This helps a lot. I have always had an aesthetic attraction to men and some butch women but being penetrated is just as unappealing as penetrating. I have experienced the growing attention of men and I like it but I have no impulse to act on it and would not call it sexual attraction. I have identified as an aromantic asexul for years. I mean, I literally hate kissing! Cuddling with a friend is about as far as I would go. I also just need my man bits gone and I don't like the idea of getting pleasure from them. Hrt has made me consider that I may be grey-a or demisexual. I have a decent if undirected libido but all of the sexual fantasies I have ever had involve me performing oral. But that is for my own private time. My question would be if I just had everything removed would I miss the sexual release of masturbation?  I never liked that act and always felt it was the biology of the male organ that was driving it. Also, I have ulcerative colitis and may not be a candidate for anything that might disrupt my fragile digestive situation.

I have been thinking of starting with an orchi and seeing how that makes me feel. Baby steps have worked really well for me so far in transition. As this is all about relieving my dysphoria not becoming a woman. I am a woman no matter what, a tomboy who is proud to have lived successfully as a man (against her will) and survived.

There is a doctor at Boston Medical who has just learned the vaginoplasty techniques, a urologist, but I haven't heard of him having an mtf patient yet. He is in network for my insurance. I can get it covered next spring and I figure if he is learning but experienced in orchies and penectomies, which he is, I could be a good person to help him on his way to full procedures.

I would still like to hear from someone who has gone this route. I think I recall such a thread from a sexually active woman here who said she prefers the back door and is perfectly happy. I am not into sex, physically intimate or exclusive relationships but for the right close friend? I am curious I guess.

[Cindy Stephens]

I am really glad to see that attitudes have changed so much over the last 4 years in regards to this form of GRS.  I lived as a gay male for a number of years, using and enjoying what nature had given me to please my partners.  My own needs, I took care of myself but did enjoy male attention and physical connection in pleasing them. 

The partial appeals to me as I am 64, married to a loving, asexual woman, and lacking most sexual desires.  The partial still produces a clitoris with a change in placement of the urinary track.  Masturbation and sexual response should be the same as the "regular" GRS.  That suits me just fine.  I like the fact that the surgery can be done quicker, with much less time under anesthesia.  It has been shown that anesthesia can produce or at least contribute to dementia in the older population.  Use of HRT is known to do the same thing, and I have been using it for a long time.  I am about to have cataract surgery and hormone use is also definitely associated with them. I don't like tempting the fates too much.

The surgeries and drugs we need all have their own well documented risks.  What an intelligent person needs to do, in concert with their physician and psychological support people, is determine what a good risk/return balance is.  That would have been different at 20 then what it is now after a lot of life experience.  Others may end  up with a very different calculus.  It is just good that there are options for us, and I hope full acceptance in the community for those who chose a slightly different path.  Good luck on yours.

[Jenna Marie]

Brassard will do this (and he's licensed in the US for insurance purposes), plus the weakening Canadian dollar makes it cheaper than American surgeons.   Around $14-16K depending on fluctuations, I believe. The result is fully functional in every respect except penetration, and the "cosmetic" aspects are supposedly quite good. I have a friend who wishes she'd gone with this, and quit dilating instead...

[Dena]

Something for everybody to consider. When I had my surgery 33 years ago this option wasn't known so I had the standard surgery even though I knew at the time I was asexual. I have cared for my surgery and it is still functional but it has never been used sexually. Not long ago I discovered I was Demisexual and while I may still not engage in intercourse, I am glad I have the option to do so. This may sound like a good idea now but years down the road, your view of life can change and you may regret the freedom from dilation at a latter date.

[Lady Curiosity]

Thanks everyone for your replies!


Kellam, I know exactly where you're coming from when you talk about how biology was sort of forcing you to do the acts with your male organ. I feel exactly the same way. When I was a kid I was much happier, however when I started puberty and as sexual thoughts entered my head I just felt so helpless because of them and was always super stressed by them. I felt like some sort of demon had taken over me and wasn't able to make friends who were girls as a result because I felt like I needed to keep myself away from people to protect them. I've thought about starting with an orchi too and have done baby steps in my transition as well. However, I'd probably just rather get the whole thing done at this point because I know that I don't want any male plumbing down there.

Cindy, I definitely see your points, especially as someone who's older than I. I think it would be much better for me because it seems safer and exactly what I'm looking for. Good luck to you as well!


Jenna, thank you for another recommendation! It's good to have options as opposed to just one choice.

Dena, thank you for your concern. I'm not planning on getting the surgery right away it'll probably be at least 3 to 4 years down the road and I will definitely do some more thinking about it. However, I'm fairly certain at this point that dilation is the biggest turn off for me so unless better options come along then this is probably what I'll go with. I very much know that this decision will limit any future sex acts that I may someday perform and I'm ok with that decision and accept full responsibility of it and am very aware of the consequences of this action. I'm very glad to hear you've discovered another part of yourself. ^_^ Hooray for self discovery! 

[Kellam]

I have actually had intercourse with a cis woman. I played the "man" in a hetero relationship for eight years when I was deep in denial. It took gallons of booze for me to do so. I do not like genitals and don't want contact with anyone's. I am sober now, four and a half years, and don't think my curiosity would last long. I was on a dating site recently to see how I felt and I have now left. Cis men are creepy and I have always been more than a bit intimidated by them. Wouldn't want to be left alone with one, not with intimate contact on his mind. I want all my plumbing gone. I have thought long and hard about this.

That's why I asked about alone time release because that is my only real concern. Will I need it when the man stuff is gone at last? If I can go without it I would prefer it honestly. It would be most acceptable to me to have nothing there. Just a penectomy and orchiectomy, something left to pee out of. Or will they do that with just enough nerve tissue for release minus labia? My problem is I don't ever want to be reminded of the birth stuff, I don't want to see labia and think, scrotum. Also I have heard about the electrolysis one must undergo on that stuff, I am not doing that and there is no discussion to be had on the subject. I do not want sex and I understand and accept the consequences.

[Kellam]

Kellam, I know exactly where you're coming from when you talk about how biology was sort of forcing you to do the acts with your male organ. I feel exactly the same way. When I was a kid I was much happier, however when I started puberty and as sexual thoughts entered my head I just felt so helpless because of them and was always super stressed by them. I felt like some sort of demon had taken over me and wasn't able to make friends who were girls as a result because I felt like I needed to keep myself away from people to protect them.

This was my exact experience growing up, I even had to be told how to masturbate. When my father told me all I heard was that it would get the erections to go away. That is all I want, for that stuff that always confuses me with its presence to go away.

[Lady Curiosity]

I don't know if it would be needed. I've thought about a penectomy and orchiectomy both as well. I actually found out about men, who identify as men, who want to undergo those procedures as well. I think they call themselves "smoothies". I played the cis man role in several relationships too. It always made me feel really paranoid as I was constantly worried about pregnancy and it never felt "right" it was so strange for me. I acted upon the urges because that's what my stupid biology was making me do and every time I did I felt worse and worse. I felt like a pervert and a sex addict. I never got pleasure out of any sexual experience. Since I've been on hrt I've not had any need or desire to masturbate in quite some time. It's really nice to not have to feel the need to do that on a daily basis.