GRS w/out vagina

[Dianna]

Some surgeons feel that not creating a vaginal canal is less risky surgery for patients over 60 with other concurrent medical problems. A lot of people can't afford GRS until they are that old.

Bachelor of Social Work here also.   My GRS was in my teens. 

[xsocialworker]

Bachelor of Social Work here also.   My GRS was in my teens. 

Can I ask how old you are now and are you employed in the field. Did you encounter job discrimination?

Thanks

[Cindy Stephens]

This subject has been broached on several occasions, and boy, does it bring out strong feelings.  Twice it has brought up references to "barbie doll" grs, when I can't seem to find such a reference when I google it.  It seems like a direct slap, and, though I don't have one, took offense. I would agree that someone 24, with little experience probably should keep all options open.  But there are many of us that don't suffer from autogynophilia, and have no psychological "desire" for a vagina to affirm our choice or fulfill that psychological need.  I have never needed one to take care of a man, and George Clooney aside, cannot imagine the guy who could induce me to have get a vagina.  Mentally, my definition of "woman" involves an attitude, walk, talk, how one makes another feel, a certain "je ne se qua."  Certainly breast, hair, face, movement are decisive.  Vaginas, for me, nevers enters into it.  I don't know if the difference stems from a philosophical basis, a mere difference in perspective, or a "true" structural difference in source of our gender identity dysphoria.  I don't think either is bad or good, just different. 

[Autumn]

Bachelor of Social Work here also.   My GRS was in my teens. 

Some people drive BMWs to highschool, too.

[Flan]

Twice it has brought up references to "barbie doll" grs, when I can't seem to find such a reference when I google it.

probably because the term was made up on the spot by the poster in question for the shock value.
(as if women who had a vaginectomy performed due to cancer aren't women anymore) xD

[Dianna]

probably because the term was made up on the spot by the poster in question for the shock value.
(as if women who had a vaginectomy performed due to cancer aren't women anymore) xD

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I like your attitude FlanH. 

[rejennyrated]

Each to their own I suppose. But personally I would feel that I was being teased by such a procedure, a bit like being allowed to smell the coffee but never to drink it.

Having penetrative vaginal sex with a man is, after all, for me a sublime experience. It may not happen as often as I might like, but personally speaking I can't even imagine how utterly frustrating it would be to go through so much and still not to be able to enjoy that.

[umop ap!sdn]

But there are many of us that don't suffer from autogynophilia, and have no psychological "desire" for a vagina to affirm our choice or fulfill that psychological need.

Wanting to have a vagina isn't all about being turned on by it. Many of us see it as another part that women usually have, and therefore that we want for ourselves. Also, there are many of us who greatly enjoy being penetrated, and the ahem, *other* method of penetration isn't quite the same. Has nothing to do with feeling that we're not women if we don't get a vagina.

As for so called " ->-bleeped-<-", I don't understand how that fits in at all. It's not like we're going "oooo I want one of those so I can ********** myself in front of a mirror!!!!"

Some people drive BMWs to highschool, too.

Please. Having an anatomical defect corrected is not even remotely in the same league as driving an expensive car. The latter amounts to nothing more than showing off.

[Janet_Girl]

After reading this thread and think about it for a while I sent and email to one of the SRS doctors that I am thinking of using.

He will do it for $16,000 USD.  He charges the same thing for stage one of SRS.  Stage two is another $4000 USD.  So yo would only save $4000.  I don't think that it is worth it.

Plus as it has been said, "You never know".

[blackMamba]

But there are many of us that don't suffer from autogynophilia, and have no psychological "desire" for a vagina to affirm our choice or fulfill that psychological need.

I wasn't thinking of  ->-bleeped-<- when I read this.  But amputation fantasy definitely crossed my mind.

[Jeannette]

    But there are many of us that don't suffer from autogynophilia, and have no psychological "desire" for a vagina to affirm our choice or fulfill that psychological need.

Wanting to have a vagina isn't all about being turned on by it. Many of us see it as another part that women usually have, and therefore that we want for ourselves. Also, there are many of us who greatly enjoy being penetrated, and the ahem, *other* method of penetration isn't quite the same. Has nothing to do with feeling that we're not women if we don't get a vagina.

As for so called " ->-bleeped-<-", I don't understand how that fits in at all. It's not like we're going "oooo I want one of those so I can ********** myself in front of a mirror!!!!"

I agree with Nerdychick.  Well said.  And please let's not mention " ->-bleeped-<-" around here when referring to GRS.  Let's not join bigots like Zucker, Blanchard, Bailey & Co with that kind of notion.  Thanks very kindly.

[rejennyrated]

But there are many of us that don't suffer from autogynophilia, and have no psychological "desire" for a vagina to affirm our choice or fulfill that psychological need.

Forgive me but I would have thought that if anyone would want a cosmetic non functional op it would be someone who suffered from the mythical and in my view non existent condition that you mention. The rest of us want something which actually works properly, precisely because we aren't/weren't doing it just for ourselves, but because we intend to be able to use it in a physical relationship.

I haveto say that autogynophilia has always sounded to me like the sort of gobbledegook terminolgy that a scientist makes up when they are trying to redefine something inconvennient out of existence. In my view Autogynophilia falls in the same category as phlogiston and ether, both of which people once seriously believed in, only to find that they didn't exist, when better science produced a proper explanation of the cause of the observed phenomena.

[Janet_Girl]

Cindy, I only settled for the orchie because I do not know when I might get SRS.  But I have only seen  one that is financial a candidate.  And Flan posted it.

But to each their own.  If you are happy with your choice then that is all that need be said.

[lilacwoman]

I have a friend in the UK who plans to have GRS with only the labia, urethra and clitoris constructed.  There will be no vagina.  .

I have serious doubts about these people being truly transsexual...it's almost as though they are saying they want to be fully pretend women.

[sarahb]

I have serious doubts about these people being truly transsexual...it's almost as though they are saying they want to be fully pretend women.

Do you doubt the "authenticity" of non-ops as being transsexual? Or those that just opt for an orchi only? I don't think anyone should challenge the nature of someone's decision that makes them happy, even if it doesn't match your own goals.

~Sarah

[lilacwoman]

Do you doubt the "authenticity" of non-ops as being transsexual? Or those that just opt for an orchi only? I don't think anyone should challenge the nature of someone's decision that makes them happy, even if it doesn't match your own goals.

~Sarah

being happy to have a pretend vagina and being transsexual may be two different things.

[Shana A]

I have serious doubts about these people being truly transsexual...it's almost as though they are saying they want to be fully pretend women.

A reminder, we are a diverse community here at Susan's, please respect each persons' choices as to what is right for them.

thanks!

Z

[Sarah Louise]

I second Zythyra's post.  Let's tone things down.

Sarah L.

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[xsocialworker]

I have serious doubts about these people being truly transsexual...it's almost as though they are saying they want to be fully pretend women.

I know at least 3 people who had vaginoplasty and for various reasons, it closed up. Are they dudes again?
Post Merge: February 24, 2010, 06:46:53 PM
Two more points.

1) Nobody actually posted their results and experiences after having GRS without vaginoplasty.

2) The word woman implies a human being born with a womb and potentially capable of childbearing. By those standards all transsexuals are pretend women. Ceretainly we don't call women who can't carry a child men, but presumably no T-girl could ever carry a child in her womb.