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Started by Icephoenyx, March 20, 2010, 11:43:58 PM

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Icephoenyx

Hi all, I just started hormones 3 days ago, and I was warned by many people on here and by my doc that I may experience more fat in my abdomen area. Is it common? If so, I am already carrying a little extra in that area, so should I start buying pants that are a little bigger in the waist?

Thanks!
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aubrey

It accumulates in the more typical areas for a female, but I don't think you need those new pants tomorrow or anything.
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lilacwoman

silly doctor! if anything you may find in a few weeks you have suddenly got a nicer waist.
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Icephoenyx

Really? That's good news, I just don't know what to shop for for the moment! I guess too big is better than too small, that's what belts are for!

Chrissi
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aubrey

You should see it coming with plenty of time to do something about it :)
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Icephoenyx on March 20, 2010, 11:43:58 PM
Hi all, I just started hormones 3 days ago, and I was warned by many people on here and by my doc that I may experience more fat in my abdomen area. Is it common? If so, I am already carrying a little extra in that area, so should I start buying pants that are a little bigger in the waist?

Thanks!

Your Doctor is absolutely right! I've been on HRT for years and that it's a big problem for me. Any fat I do get goes on the belly and I don't get fat where I want it (my legs, thighs, hips etc). It has been a nightmare and excercise isn't shifting it.

The best thing to do is before you start HRT is to make sure you have absolutely no fat at all in the abdomen otherwise the HRT will target that area which has any existing fat.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Icephoenyx

Too late for that! I have been exercising more and watching what I eat, but I just started hormones last week. I guess for now I will start buying pants slightly bigger! It's embarrassing though :(

Chrissi
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placeholdername

Careful with that -- exercising can trigger people to be hungrier (kind of obvious), so exercising and eating less can just end up with binging and then you're in worse shape (literally) than you started.

Mild exercise combined with healthy eating will do wonders in the long run, and requires less effort.
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Natalie3174

Ive been on HRT for 3 years and I have noticed my waist line fluctuates. Depending on what I eat and how much exercise I do the fat seems to come and go. I have a problem with my belly sticking out a little bit and it really annoys me. I think HRT adds more fat to the belly and the rest of your body but it could just be my diet and exercise routine.
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Tammy Hope

I'm no expert but I've read in several places that fat cells never go away (save via lipo) though new ones can form.

Those that already exist simply get bigger or smaller in terms of making you fatter.

If this is true then it seems to me those of us who were genetic males (and thus with a tendency to put fat around the waist) and were/are overweight have the problem of always having that fertile field of pre-existing fat caells which, hormones or no hormones, want to plump up if given the fuel.

Am I wrong?
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aubrey

Quote from: Laura Hope on March 23, 2010, 12:37:52 AM
Am I wrong?

If you're right that really sux and lipo for the win.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Laura Hope on March 23, 2010, 12:37:52 AM
If this is true then it seems to me those of us who were genetic males (and thus with a tendency to put fat around the waist) and were/are overweight have the problem of always having that fertile field of pre-existing fat caells which, hormones or no hormones, want to plump up if given the fuel.

Am I wrong?

You are absolutely right! and you've put it across better than I did Laura!
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Myself

Quote from: Laura Hope on March 23, 2010, 12:37:52 AM
I'm no expert but I've read in several places that fat cells never go away (save via lipo) though new ones can form.

Those that already exist simply get bigger or smaller in terms of making you fatter.

If this is true then it seems to me those of us who were genetic males (and thus with a tendency to put fat around the waist) and were/are overweight have the problem of always having that fertile field of pre-existing fat caells which, hormones or no hormones, want to plump up if given the fuel.

Am I wrong?

Actually you are both right and wrong.
Fat cells never move.
Hormones control where your fat is STORED, is it the belly fat cells? is it the hips? a lot of it is due to genetic too (well, sort of, chemicals can still alter that).

So yeah, lipo will make things easier, but you don't need it if you have the right gene, right hormones, right doses.
You'll many times need to BURN the fat that already exists (meaning: deplete existing energy storages) and then gain it elsewhere.

Tips for that: delay breakfast as long as you can, eat dinner as early and light as you can to increase fat burning at night.
Be on a ketosis inducing diet (meanings that you are running on your fat cells instead of sugar, usually high fat diets).
Calorie Restriction.

Good luck!

P.S. yes, it works.
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Smith

wow, this is good advice, thank you so much Myself :D
Quote from: Myself on March 23, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
Actually you are both right and wrong.
Fat cells never move.
Hormones control where your fat is STORED, is it the belly fat cells? is it the hips? a lot of it is due to genetic too (well, sort of, chemicals can still alter that).

So yeah, lipo will make things easier, but you don't need it if you have the right gene, right hormones, right doses.
You'll many times need to BURN the fat that already exists (meaning: deplete existing energy storages) and then gain it elsewhere.

Tips for that: delay breakfast as long as you can, eat dinner as early and light as you can to increase fat burning at night.
Be on a ketosis inducing diet (meanings that you are running on your fat cells instead of sugar, usually high fat diets).
Calorie Restriction.

Good luck!

P.S. yes, it works.
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jesse

okies i have to disagree with myselfs tip for losing fat stores. Assuming 8 hrs rest at night delaying breakfast further lowers your metabolism combined with restricted calorie intake and you have a recipe for increased body fat as soon as your diet turns back to normal. this has been reduced to a science now by exercise physiologists and the information is readily available on the internet. Ketosis means your burning fat yes but your also burning muscle. result lowered metabolism increased body fat percentage.
Biological fact. fat cells are set by genetics until they multiply which they do when the body detects a need for more of them. losing weight = empting fat cells. so if you follow myselfs plan please do not reduce your calorie intake by more then 500 cals or you will self defeat. Consider adding cardio and strength training
jessica
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Myself

I don't have a link to any of the studies at the moment but actually low carb diets are the diets which showed to preserve the most muscle tissue compared to other diets.

Ketosis diet even showed to increase lean body mass quite a bit.

EVERY diet will result in decreased fat and muscle, not just ketosis. Ketosis results in the least of muscle loss. So you are losing weight and keeping the good part which makes you lean.

So no, ketosis does NOT mean you are burning fat but also muscle, losing weight means that. Ketosis means you're losing more fat than muscles.

The above results in much less decreased metabolic rated compared to any other diet, which damages your metabolism more severely.

Every diet, every time you lose weight, your metabolism slows down a bit, if you lose fat instead of muscle, the slow is CONSIDERABLY less than the metabolic rate lost when losing muscles, as it is with most diets.

So Jesse's points are somewhat correct but very inaccurate regarding the diet.

Jesse is right about not reducing calorie intake by more than 500 calories though, if you are planning to lose weight it is never healthy to lose more than a pound and a half every week.

While cardio and strength training is always recommended, it is never a must. Although it CAN give much better results, by building up muscle mass.

You must keep in mind, I NEVER recommended ketosis to LOSE WEIGHT, I recommended it to enhance the speed you change where you fat STAYS AT.
I gave two ideas for that: 1) lose weight and gain it back. 2) Ketosis diet.

With the ketosis diet I did not say you need to lose weight, I didn't say to eat less. I said put yourself in a fat burning state WHILE EATING ENOUGH TO KEEP AT SAME WEIGHT.
The above should NOT hurt your muscle mass, taking a good time at night from dinner to late breakfast will not slow your metabolism because you are on ketosis, therefore you will have be burning fat instead of sugar and you'll have energy for the day.
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K8

I've gained 13 pounds since starting hormones 11 months ago.  My waist is pretty much the same size.  The extra weight seems to have gone mainly to my breasts, butt, thighs and - yes - that feminine roundness of the belly below the waist. :)  YMMV

- Kate
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Meshi


Spirno would help with water, but exercise is key and diet.  Yeah you will get prob the female tummy, but its all good. sexy actually if you keep in shape..guys like it.
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Carlita

One side note on fat gain round the waist ... Genetic females who have suffered anorexia and then start to put on weight begin by adding it around the waist (which totally freaks them out, of course). Only when their weight starts to normalize over a period of time do they redistribute the fat around the female areas of butt, thighs, hips, breasts, upper arms etc. This may be relevant for transgender women because one of the side-effects of anorexia is that it totally messes up women's hormones. A recovering anorexic starts to produce proper quantities of estrogen, have periods, etc after what can be years without them (in fact, young women in their 20s who have been calorie-restricting all thru their teens may only have periods for the first time when they start their recovery and gain a little weight). They are, therefore, experiencing a sort of natural HRT, becoming adult females relatively late in life ... Like us. So it might not be surprising if some of us experience the same pattern of fat redistribution. If so, there may be no need to worry, because it may end up where it should be in the end ... No pun intended!! :)
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Icephoenyx

So should I start buying pants that are a little big around the waist for me?

Chrissi
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