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Started by Just Kate, April 01, 2010, 12:02:56 AM

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Just Kate

Well, after 8 years without hormones (no testes, and no HRT) my doctor got on my tail about it about 6 months ago.  There are serious health risks to not having enough hormones in your body, and while I was showing none of the detrimental effects, it doesn't mean they weren't happening.

So I talked to my wife, tried to decide what hormones to take.  She asked that I tried T again.  I did so for about 2 months.  It was no fun at all.  Constant erections (I hate that most) and a fiery temper were about all I could stand.  I cut my dose in half, but still found it all unbearable. 

I talked to my wife about the serious possibility of going back on E.  I told her most of the physical changes have already occurred in the 2+ years I was on it before but she remained concerned.  "You already have a feminine enough body, what if it gets more feminine?"  I consoled her and she agreed it would be alright to try it.

So here I am, my first day on E again.  Being in the unique position I am in, I plan to keep tabs on any effects it has on me or my body.  If it helps my health that is the goal, but if it helps my dysphoria too that will be amazing.

So here I am, one step closer to transition...again!    ::)
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Silver

Well, all I can really say is good luck with the wife. Hopefully there are no negative consequences.

Or Actonel? Fosamax?

Also, I really look up to you. Although I don't really intend to follow your path of "no transition."
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Just Kate

Quote from: SilverFang on April 01, 2010, 12:08:31 AM
Well, all I can really say is good luck with the wife. Hopefully there are no negative consequences.

Or Actonel? Fosamax?

Also, I really look up to you. Although I don't really intend to follow your path of "no transition."

Estradiol right now.  For T I was using Androgel.  Both were doctor prescribed and covered by insurance.

Thank you for your comment; it is humbling.  I don't suggest the non-transition route for everyone, but if there is a way to make it work for me, I'll find it!
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Natalie3174

Goodluck I hope you get healthy!
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Nero

Good luck IA. It's good you're looking after your health. If it helps your dysphoria abit in the process, that's great!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Miniar




"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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MeghanAndrews

Hi Interalia, just like I said, we'll be here to support you no matter what :) I've heard from a doctor who treats transpeople that a very large # of people who are on HRT never transition and don't present FT as the gender they identify with for many, many reasons. If that is your goal, I'm sure that you can do it. You are certainly determined :) Stay strong! Meghan
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Janet_Girl

I am surprised that you went that long without any HRT, I was told and I have read that it is not good to go with out.

But at least you are now getting back on something.

Good for you IA
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Just Kate

Quote from: Janet Lynn on April 01, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
I am surprised that you went that long without any HRT, I was told and I have read that it is not good to go with out.

But at least you are now getting back on something.

Good for you IA

I think the procrastination was due to the fact that I assumed I'd HAVE to go back on T and well - I wasn't looking forward to it.  That and I was ignorant to the effects of lack of HRT for at least 3 or so years.

Thanks for all the support - I'm sure I'll be fine, but all of this is an interesting turn of events.

And Meghan, you are correct.  The oldest non-transitioning people I know all are on some sort of blocker/E therapy and each claims it helps them a ton.  I always assumed that E helped non-transitioning MTF TS on a psychosomatic level only - now I get to discover for myself.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Autumn

Called it. Good luck.
Prepare for the slippery slope.
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Nicky

I hope this gives you some peace interelia.

I suspect it will help you with the dyphoria.

You can still live authenticly as yourself even if your body changes. This does not change your beliefs at all, I don't think you need to see it as a transition. The body is just your vehicle to tool you round this planet, your just taking care of it.

Best of luck!
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gothique11

Good luck, I hope it helps. A small dose of E might help you along while having no huge affect. Going without hormones for a long time can cause health problems eventually. The one I know most of is brittle bones.
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Melissa M

WOW, I can so relate.  I lost both testicles when I was 26.  I am 41 now.  For about 6 months I was on E, then due to lack of funds, had to stop.  Eventually found another job, had bills to pay, and somehow wound up on T again.  Did that for about 6 months, when self mutilation kicked in, I said no more.  I didn't take anything then for a long time.  Moved to florida and tried T again, same result, so I stopped....8 years pass.  I tried T again, cuz I knew I had to have something, and my doc wouldn't prescribe what I wanted.  Same thing happened, and pulled myself off of T before I really hurt myself.  Then finally, after talking to my doc, begging him... pleading, was put on Prempro.  Not a huge dose, but enough to stabalize me, and stop my god awful hotflashes....so we'll see what happens.  But I know what you're going thru... good luck!
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Just Kate

BTW, my statement about being in transition was very tongue in cheek.  Hence the eye rolling. ;)

Quote from: Autumn on April 01, 2010, 04:26:46 PM
Called it. Good luck.
Prepare for the slippery slope.

There is a slippery slope?

This decision was pretty simple.  I needed some sort of hormones because I foolishly destroyed my primary source as a kid.  Testosterone sucks worse artificially than when I had my own so I'm trying the alternative.

Melissa,

I'm sorry it took so long for you to get an alternative to T so I hope any damage done to your bones/body can be undone.

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But there is a higher purpose in all of this.  The TS I know that are older that live without transition have each said they take some combo of E and andro blockers.  They said it helps with the dysphoria.  I have always kind of thought it was merely psychosomatic - basically it was the "idea" of being on E that helped their dysphoria but the E itself wasn't really doing anything on its own.  Well now I get to find out for myself.  Then again without proper controls I could just as easily be giving in to my own psychosomatic-ism.  I might ask my wife to switch my dose with sugar pills.  ;)

Either way, if this works to help my dysphoria without increasing the desire to transition, I will definitely promote it to the others I know who are living without transition as a potential coping mechanism.  I have many on pins and needles waiting to see how this goes for me.

However if this in anyway increases my dysphoria or causes me to desire to transition more, I will stop it immediately and go back to a low dose of T or perhaps a blend.  Guess we'll see.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Nicky

Mentally it feels great, I just feel better. But then I am starting to see body changes. Is my dysphoria less because my body is changing or is it because I simply feel better on hormones, or is it because I came out and live as a woman? Who knows? I do know that as my body changes my genitalia are becoming more incongruent with the rest of me, my overall dysphoria is less but more focused on that thing.

Even if it was just psychosomatic, it still works. This is a valid use of medication I think.

I do believe that it will increase your desire to go further. It always seems the way of it. Would that be such a terrible thing? Have you considered that you could be wrong or open to that possibility?

I have to admit hearing what you are up to is somewhat painful to me. Dysphoria for me was like belly full of acid burning me inside out. To hear that someone is dancing with it makes me shiver with horror.
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Just Kate

Quote from: Nicky on April 05, 2010, 03:17:29 AM
Mentally it feels great, I just feel better. But then I am starting to see body changes. Is my dysphoria less because my body is changing or is it because I simply feel better on hormones, or is it because I came out and live as a woman? Who knows? I do know that as my body changes my genitalia are becoming more incongruent with the rest of me, my overall dysphoria is less but more focused on that thing.

Even if it was just psychosomatic, it still works. This is a valid use of medication I think.

I do believe that it will increase your desire to go further. It always seems the way of it. Would that be such a terrible thing? Have you considered that you could be wrong or open to that possibility?

I have to admit hearing what you are up to is somewhat painful to me. Dysphoria for me was like belly full of acid burning me inside out. To hear that someone is dancing with it makes me shiver with horror.

Remember though that I've been down the route many of you are going through before.  Complete bodily disgust, raging GID, unhappy social roles, and suicidal tendencies only to feel the relief from it all that came with HRT (the first time), transition, FT living, and passing.  I'm no stranger to it at all.

The things that once motivated me to transition are no longer as intense and the times they are, I have various tools for dealing with them.  Over time they have diminished, not grown stronger (with exception of a big flare up about the time my mom died early last year).

I think that were I taking the hormones to "feel more like me" or "look like a girl" then they might seem like a step toward transition, but I seriously doubt that will happen.  If they DO make me want to transition, then I know it is the hormones themselves and nothing cognitive, and I will look for alternatives.

And no, transition isn't an option.  Regardless of how much it is romanticized, I've been there before and while there were definite pluses with regard to my GID there were too many other negatives - and that was back when I was 19.  Were I to do it today there there are FAR more negatives than even back then.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Nicky

I know,

I really respect what you are doing and your feelings on the matter. Though it is hard not to think of it in terms of my own experiences. I'm sorry to ask you those question, you probably get similar a lot.

I guess it is romantisised, transition that is. I've never considered myself to be transitioning in the classic sense, more an emergence. I never planned it all out, just looked at the next step I needed for me.  It can be magic, but it is not often a fairy tale either, as you well know (just contemplating geting electrolysis on my perenium, that is no fairytale - I just hate to ask my electrologist, I really like her). It would be good to remind people of this from time to time. If the negs ourweight the pluses then it definitly is not the place for you I think. But then it is hard to see the negatives untill you are in it, especially when you are full of the romance of it and the excitement of your own freedom.

Just take care with yourself honey.
xx
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findingreason

QuoteYou can still live authenticly as yourself even if your body changes. This does not change your beliefs at all, I don't think you need to see it as a transition. The body is just your vehicle to tool you round this planet, your just taking care of it.

I think this is quite possibly one of the most wise ideas I have encountered in a while. :) (aside from the internal lockdown mentally I have twisted myself into at times >.>)

IA, I do hope this works out, it sounds like a really tricky situation, and while our situations may differ, I definitely sympathize with you, I give you best wishes *hugs*


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gothique11

Interalia. I just had a weird thought, but have you ever thought, explored, or talked with a therapist about having something other than GID? I respect your life choices and what you have done in the quest to find yourself, even de-transitioning, which is fine. Yet, I still get the feeling from reading your stuff that there's something else going on -- have you looked into Body Dysmorphic Disorder, perhaps? Or something related?

Anorexia, for example, fits into the umbrella of BDD. I think to some degree, those with GID also get that as well to different degrees.

With BDD, you can get up set over a body feature(s), which can cause anxiety and depression.

Having BPD (borderline personality disorder), I also suffer from BDD in different ways. At times, it can be gender-related but other times it will be like thinking I'm fat when I'm really not. I get anorexic-ish at times and sometimes even have gotten obsessive about it. But, with therapy during my life time, it's not as bad. One learns coping mechanisms to get through. Same with other things in my life, like cutting.

Of course, talking about BDD can open Pandora's box.

And sometimes ones has to look at coping mechanisms that got one to a certain state, and the motivation for doing so.



Post Merge: April 08, 2010, 09:00:38 AM

the most important thing to do at the end is just to find yourself.

I also think that often one does romanticize when they start out transitioning, but that goes away after reality bites in.

Some, for example, may think that everything is going to be better. Some how, being shy and social awkward will be changed. Or, that they will get better jobs. Or that they will start getting dates. And of course, that they'll be happy no matter what.

*warning: I'm opening a pandora's box here!*

It's not easy, and of course, it can be very, very difficult. Life, then, just becomes life and you find that transition really doesn't fix life.

There's a lot of pre-conceptions that others may have about the other gender and what life is like on the other end. We could even say that with someone living pay-check-to-paycheck wondering how nice it is for the CEO with millions in the bank.

I also think images in Hollywood, advertisements, and socially affect us how we see ourselves. Images of what it means to be a man, or a woman. Social ideas take it further. 

I can see a person who isn't fitting in gender wise and feeling overwhelmed with life in general seeking out others. Out come the transsexuals, who, for better are worse, are similar. We're all a bit of misfit. It's a community of acceptance, and that's what people crave. And, of course, in finding that community there's the need to be part of it and support it emotionally.

I can see how one could easily join the trans-community and find it fits a need where one might think transition is the answer.

It's a hard-line question and difficult to think about. Is transitioning really for you?

Transitioning means asking yourself hard questions and doing a lot of soul searching. In the end, it's about finding you.

For myself, it was the right thing. For you, as you mentioned, it wasn't. And, right now, it seems asthough you are starting to find your niche in life -- whatever that may be -- but still struggle with the not fitting in part. Looking at your body as a sort of spring board for the anxiety you feel around you.

For example, with my BPD (borderline personality disorder), I get feelings like not knowing who I am and what I'm supposed to be doing with my life. Self image isn't always stable and sometimes I project that onto my body... I'll look in the mirror and think I'm getting fat, which then equals I'm a horrible person, which then equals no one likes me (etc -- it just snow balls into and all-bad or all feeling). I remedy it, I may do things like stop eating and start doing a lot of exercise. (I'm fairly skinny, btw). I may also continue to beat myself in other ways. I might think if I were doing something different, or maybe being someone different I will be "fixed" and be happy. Of course, those fixes I try are illusions and really not fixes at all to my problems that might have triggered every thing. It's called escapism.

And yes, I've been triggered by small things that snow ball into bigger things. Often it's small things. I can't figure out what to wear, I find my one out fit but it's dirty. I try on another, but it looks no good, but then I look in the mirror and say that I look no good. Then, I think, that no body would ever love me... etc, etc.

It's not easy to live with, but, the good news is that there is help.

For me, transitioning has and always been about myself and I just forget about being someone else. I think that's a big aspect. It has also helped me a lot in terms of mental health 'cause I also sought help for that area, too.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Good luck! :)
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Just Kate

I've found BDD to be a symptom, not the cause.  Most of my GID has been socially stimulated, not bodily stimulated, but I do still feel the BDD.  Because I'm learning better and better coping mechanisms to handle the social aspects of the discomfort, the body stuff has taken more center stage now in my life.  It wasn't so back when I transitioned.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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