7 months T blocker adding estrogen and then quitting the blocker

[kimberrrly]

Ive been on a T blocker for 7 months, my T was 1/5 of what it once was...
then I added estrogens.... not a full dose... and gradually reduces the T blocker
untill I stopped taking it all together...

I wonder if this helps keeping my T at bay?
I had to stop the blocker due to health probs...

[cynthialee]

E alone will help reduce the T levels but without the antiandrogen your T level will likely rise.

[Asfsd4214]

I'd be really interested to know what health problems you had and which anti androgen you were on.

The hard truth to your question is though, only blood tests can tell you for sure.

Eventually I would imagine they would start to rise.

[Autumn]

I was on spiro and a pure estrogen. According to my doctor, the pure estrogen spikes your blood E levels and then quickly tapers off. As your E levels fall, T quickly rises. He said that the restoration of T levels was a constant antagonist towards my transition.

I was at less than 1/5th of my original T value while on spiro and estrogen. It was not enough. He got me on a time release estrogen, estropipate, which I've never heard of another TS taking. He says it lasts 24 hours, so my x2 day dosing gives me plenty of coverage.

If you do not want to transition fully, or transition yet, then it doesn't matter if your T still has some bite. But... if your timetable is 4-5 months, you want to be on the right HRT. If you are older, it may be longer that you can still pull off being a guy.

Estrogen + unblocked T will probably not give you the results you want. If you are young, it will still cause damage to you.

[kimberrrly]

I'd be really interested to know what health problems you had and which anti androgen you were on.

The hard truth to your question is though, only blood tests can tell you for sure.

Eventually I would imagine they would start to rise.

Hi !

I took androcur and have osteoporosis, I am 31 years old. The androcur gave me joint pains and bone pain, also I have been very emotional on androcur. Once I quit the andro I do not cry each day anymore and I do not have bone pains. I am thinking of starting with a different T blocker and see how that works out for me. Or when it is possible; an estrogen only therapy because I want to keep a little T for bone strength and libido.

If you do not want to transition fully, or transition yet, then it doesn't matter if your T still has some bite. But... if your timetable is 4-5 months, you want to be on the right HRT. If you are older, it may be longer that you can still pull off being a guy.

Estrogen + unblocked T will probably not give you the results you want. If you are young, it will still cause damage to you.

I am a 1000% sure I will live as a woman as I do now for the rest of my life, but not sure about the surgery yet.

Actually I am searching for the right therapy for me, that will increase bone density in the long run, I think that is T, estrogens and progesterone together. And enough T and/or progesterone to maintain a libido with enough estrogen to remain feminizing for the rest of my life.

I do have an endo but I have to figure out a lot myself cause he is only used to helping transgender people hormonally towards surgery.
And has never heard of the supposed health benefits of natural progesterone on bone density.

[Autumn]

They don't give women testosterone to help with osteoporosis. They used to give them HRT. Now they can also use drugs that cause skeletal regeneration. They're so afraid of cancer in women from HRT that they really look for other options. They even want post-op TS to stop taking hormones... which is ridiculous.

This is conjecture, but a pure estrogen therapy will have you on such absurd amounts of estrogen as that it would probably be dangerous. Androcur is known to cause problems in some people, which is why you're supposed to have routine liver panels to ensure that it's safe. Take spiro instead.

Asking to have your cake and eat it too depends on a lot of different things. If you, psychologically, can remain sexual, how your body reacts, and so on. If you want to be a pornstar, get a viagra script.

Progesterone sure seems to help with breast growth, at least.

[Dana Lane]

Look, you need to go to a doctor who can help you with your hormone therapy. It is obvious if you took T Blockers without estrogen you are not under a doctor's care. You have to have balanced hormones to avoid serious problems such as your osteoporosis.

I think it is dangerous for people to try to recommend treatments here! Go see a doctor!

[kimberrrly]

Now they can also use drugs that cause skeletal regeneration.

These drugs are very controversial. They do not seem to work in the long run, and since I am still young I dont want to take that risk. Bones are replaced every 10 years. The drugs stop the bones from replacing itself, and thus stop the natural process of regenerating bones which eventually make them more fragile. Also the drugs have serious side effects on stomage etc.

Testosterone, estrogen and progesterone together help build bone. Estrogen alone only seems to slow down the process of loosing bone, but taken together with progesterone seem to build up bone. Testosterone plays a major role in bone density as well. That is why more woman have osteoporosis then men.

This is conjecture, but a pure estrogen therapy will have you on such absurd amounts of estrogen as that it would probably be dangerous. Androcur is known to cause problems in some people, which is why you're supposed to have routine liver panels to ensure that it's safe. Take spiro instead.

I dont take a high amount of estrogen at the moment but am not happy with the amount of T thats in my body now...I will ask spiro when I visit my endo. The problem is my endo put me on androcur alone for 7 months while I have severe osteoporosis. And because I got serious pains from the drug I try to listen to my body and my intuition now. And I will try spiro, never heard anyone in europe taking it...so I hope he can prescribe it to me.

Also I do not plan on surgery just yet...so years and years of taking androcur? hmmm I dont think I want to. I hope spiro will prove to be a little less hard on my body.

Asking to have your cake and eat it too depends on a lot of different things. If you, psychologically, can remain sexual, how your body reacts, and so on. If you want to be a pornstar, get a viagra script.

I dont want to be a porn star I just want to enjoy a healthy sex life.

Post Merge: April 03, 2010, 01:29:20 AM

It is obvious if you took T Blockers without estrogen you are not under a doctor's care. You have to have balanced hormones to avoid serious problems such as your osteoporosis.

Hi Dana,

I am sad to say I was under the care of a very experienced endo/docter and known as the best in our country. You probably can imagine why it is hard for me to trust him still, and try to make the best choices for myself now...whatever they may be.

[Autumn]

Okay

Being on androcur alone is stupid as ->-bleeped-<- and the doctor should be slapped and possibly sued. Yes you will lose bone density from suppressing testosterone and not taking any estrogen. I had pain from taking spiro alone after several months, that went away once I started estrogen.

This is why people are told NOT NOT NOT NOT to do that without understanding the risks. Some people do not notice a problem for extended periods. Some people have orchiectomies and then continue without either hormone for quite some time (See: Interallia here.) But it is not recommended and you will have problems eventually.

The US is the only place in the world that uses spiro instead of androcur. Because we are a backward-ass nation that hates trannies. Androcur is more effective and has less side effects. You know, when it's prescribed properly.

[Asfsd4214]

Okay

Being on androcur alone is stupid as ->-bleeped-<- and the doctor should be slapped and possibly sued. Yes you will lose bone density from suppressing testosterone and not taking any estrogen. I had pain from taking spiro alone after several months, that went away once I started estrogen.

This is why people are told NOT NOT NOT NOT to do that without understanding the risks. Some people do not notice a problem for extended periods. Some people have orchiectomies and then continue without either hormone for quite some time (See: Interallia here.) But it is not recommended and you will have problems eventually.

The US is the only place in the world that uses spiro instead of androcur. Because we are a backward-ass nation that hates trannies. Androcur is more effective and has less side effects. You know, when it's prescribed properly.

I live in Australia and I was prescribed spiro.

I haven't really experienced any side effects from spiro except slightly increased urination, and blood test results show my testosterone levels are where they should be, and spiro doesn't have anything like the risks of liver toxicity Androcur does.

So, maybe you could explain to me and the forum what you mean by "more effective and less side effects".

It's a more potent anti-androgen, I won't argue with that. But that doesn't automatically make it a better choice, we don't need and kinda shouldn't eliminate testosterone ENTIRELY from our bodies, so being more potent is only important if spiro is so much less potent that it can't do the job.

And just looking over this forum I see a lot more complaints of side effects on Androcur than on Spironolactone.

On another note, I wish people on this forum wouldn't jump to conclusions about self medicating.

More than once I've seen people say "oh you must be self medicating" because of behavior that I personally have witnessed doctors partake in.

[kimberrrly]

Hi ashley, very true.

I went to see a doctor in one of the biggest and most famous gender clinics in the world, because I wanted to be safe and not self medicate. It turns out I better think for myself what is best for me. Its hard to trust doctors that make these kind of faults...I even protested at the time, several times, but they did not listen to me.

I tried to be on estrogens alone a while, but notice my bodily hair returning fast and losing hair, so I started with a small dose of androcur again. Hopefully my body will react a little better now. If it does not, I will ask spiro.

[Dana Lane]

These drugs are very controversial. They do not seem to work in the long run, and since I am still young I dont want to take that risk. Bones are replaced every 10 years. The drugs stop the bones from replacing itself, and thus stop the natural process of regenerating bones which eventually make them more fragile. Also the drugs have serious side effects on stomage etc.

Testosterone, estrogen and progesterone together help build bone. Estrogen alone only seems to slow down the process of loosing bone, but taken together with progesterone seem to build up bone. Testosterone plays a major role in bone density as well. That is why more woman have osteoporosis then men.


I dont take a high amount of estrogen at the moment but am not happy with the amount of T thats in my body now...I will ask spiro when I visit my endo. The problem is my endo put me on androcur alone for 7 months while I have severe osteoporosis. And because I got serious pains from the drug I try to listen to my body and my intuition now. And I will try spiro, never heard anyone in europe taking it...so I hope he can prescribe it to me.

Also I do not plan on surgery just yet...so years and years of taking androcur? hmmm I dont think I want to. I hope spiro will prove to be a little less hard on my body.

I dont want to be a porn star I just want to enjoy a healthy sex life.

Post Merge: April 03, 2010, 02:29:20 AM
Hi Dana,

I am sad to say I was under the care of a very experienced endo/docter and known as the best in our country. You probably can imagine why it is hard for me to trust him still, and try to make the best choices for myself now...whatever they may be.

I am so sorry! ugh, the best in your country. That is horrible news. I am not sure what the laws are where you live but I would be suing my doctor's ass off if I was prescribed only a T-Blocker all that time.