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NJ Grade Schools Makes Kids Dress as Women for Woman's History Month -- Yes Even

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NJ Grade Schools Makes Kids Dress as Women for Woman's History Month -- Yes Even Boys

Publius Forum on 04.12.10 at 5:41 PM

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/publius-forum/2010/04/nj-grade-schools-makes-kids-dress-as-women-for-womans-history-month----yes-even-boys.html

-By Warner Todd Huston

To celebrate women's history month this year, grade school boys are being forced to dress up like women at the Maple Shade School District in Burlington County, New Jersey and some parents are none too happy about it.

According to Beth F. Norcia, Principal of the Maude Wilkins Elementary School, the cross-dressing scheme was set up as a contest to celebrate women's history month among the Burlington County schools.

The idea, says Principal Norcia, is for the kids to dress up as women through various periods of American history. When a nonplussed parent called the school to inquire about the dress-up day, the Principal seemed unperturbed by it all saying that women wear jeans, too, so boys didn't have to wear a dress unless they wanted to.
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juliekins

Boy, does Gender Phobia run rampant in our society! Talk about Misogyny.

This is a trumped up story from some right wing Xtian organization. The Principal did cancel the event, after too much bad publicity. She did explain that women of the day also wore pants, and that would have been alright, as well.

Just the fact that boys would be enabled to admire women of history, was just too much for the religious zealots. I'll bet when these church goers have their children in a Christmas play, they will be wearing long robes and wigs to portray the characters of the day!
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LordKAT

I have a different opinion. I don't believe anyone should have to dress as a specific gender for any reason.
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Kaelin

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Britney_413

I think so many problems would be solved if schools would just stop all of this nonsense and start teaching. First and foremost, children should generally be allowed to wear what they want as it is the parents who pay the tax dollars, not the schools that own their kids. No school should be forcing children to wear cisgendered or transgendered articles of clothing.

Part of the problem with today's education is that it is increasingly more focused on teaching emotions than on teaching facts. Instead of teaching about the battles of the American Civil War and the debates that brought it about, they make the kids feel the pain of slavery or the sadness of Lincoln being shot.

These things aren't coincidental. It is a deliberate way of pushing politics into a system where they should be absent. It happens in the adult world through the media all the time. When you simply display the facts, it requires the student to observe them, critically think about them, draw up their own conclusions, and ultimately find their own feelings about the topic. When you show a film or create a play where emotional content is stronger than the concrete facts, it bypasses the logic mechanisms of the brain and allows the teacher to quickly induce the desired conclusion to the issue.

Here is a simple example: Person A and Person B debate on whether Happy Meals should be legal. Person A states that he disagrees with Person B and explains why. Person B gets angry at Person A and claims Person A "offended" them. Now that emotion and feeling have been inserted into the discussion, any quality discussion from that point forward is gone.

I'm sorry but a lot of this is a "liberal agenda" of schools. The liberals want there to be a women's day, black history month, and say a Jewish Holocaust day of remembrance. But when conservatives wish to have a men's day or a white history month or a day honoring famous Germans who helped save Jews, now they are being racist and bigoted. It is ok to celebrate black culture, Latin history, etc. but when you try to be proud of the contributions that white Europeans brought, then that must be KKK thinking.

This is why all this BS should stop. Teach kids the 3Rs and shut up with the rest. Schools are so damn busy trying to make every pupil "feel good" yet they can't seem to stop kids from showing up and shooting up the place. There ought to be a way for schools to have anti-bullying and non-discrimination policies without resorting to forced diversity, forced socializing, and forced feelings. Enough said.


Post Merge: April 14, 2010, 02:03:01 AM

QuoteJust the fact that boys would be enabled to admire women of history, was just too much for the religious zealots.

This is more proof of my point. While I certainly won't agree with the way these zealots miscontrue issues, the word "admire" in your quote stood out as what I'm referring to. It is not schools jobs to teach children to "admire" or "appreciate" anyone or anything. I'm sorry if it sounds radical but it is not even a school's job to teach kids that racism is wrong or that our Founding Fathers were great. Neither should schools be teaching children to "admire" one leader in American history and "disapprove" of another leader. Opinions and morality are to be taught by the kids' parents. The schools job is to teach the facts and keep the grounds suitable for learning and that's it.
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Julie Marie

Quote from: Britney_413 on April 14, 2010, 01:55:20 AMSchools are so damn busy trying to make every pupil "feel good" yet they can't seem to stop kids from showing up and shooting up the place. There ought to be a way for schools to have anti-bullying and non-discrimination policies without resorting to forced diversity, forced socializing, and forced feelings. Enough said.

Yeah, it's called acceptance.  You might call it forced acceptance, but that's what it takes for the bullying and discrimination to stop.  We have to break down the walls and you do that by teaching diversity, encouraging socialization across social lines and teaching acceptance.

The so called "liberal agenda" is nothing more than opening the lines of communication and breaking down the barriers created by phobic and ignorant people.  Education, not intolerance, is how people learn about each other and through education they come to realize that most of what they have been told about a given race, group or individual, is BS. 

That's the kind of BS you should be fighting!
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Britney_413

I'm not against Social Studies classes. I think it is essential that education includes cultural studies. We are also a culture or part of the culture just as different ethnicities have cultural backgrounds. The point is that schools should be teaching things in a fact-based manner without constantly slipping in opinions. In fact, I believe that acceptance would come faster that way. It is far more useful for a school to teach that transgendered people do in fact exist and explain the facts of what we go through than to just say "Now start accepting everyone" without any kind of background information or worse creating some joke project. Luckily some schools aren't so bad at these things.

Maybe my points are becoming confusing but I just feel that when you present the facts and leave the opinions out, people are more likely to formulate their own opinions based on those facts. When you instead only present opinions or you present facts but inject opinions as well, people are more likely to reject the entire program. It is like anti-drug education. Simply saying "Don't do drugs, they are evil" is as effective as saying "Don't beat up trans people, they are precious." If the education whether it be mathematics or social studies is kept information-focused people will likely be faster at accepting us than when morality is slipped into the equation. Unacceptance results from lack of education (ignorance). You cure ignorance by presenting facts not just telling people to love each other.
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Kaelin

Violence is far less common at schools than in the general population, and considering what I am going to say next, it impresses me that violence isn't even more common.

Lots of kids don't want to be at school.  While physical aggression is not as common, it is still elevated for a lot of students, and there is a substantial level of verbal aggression.  School is compulsory.  Teachers are asked to serve as disciplinarians and educators, and students who resent teachers for the former will compromise what the teacher can do as the latter.  The disciplinary aspect is compounded by the fact there are lots of rules, some of which are geared for security but have consequences that breed contempt (often quite understandably) for the system.  In some cases, there are not enough of the right rules.  Cartoons and other programming reinforce the concept that schoolwork is boring and math is hard and that bullies and cliques are a natural part of school -- what is ostensibly an effort toward authenticity is still typically an exaggeration and can perpetuate these problems through a self-fulfilling prophecy.  And the more "mature" content on TV tends to be especially violent.  Teachers may be role-models for some adults, but they are not role-models for many kids.  Standardized testing has uses, but it is much for useful for limited diagnostic purposes than determining who passes/graduates and who gets promoted/fired -- pressuring teachers to "teach to the test" is a disservice for both teachers and students.  Having a politicized school board (as we famously do in Texas) makes for some interesting problems, too.  There are also battles over curriculum -- it is not easy to create consensus over what is required, what should students have discretion to take, and what should not be taught or does not need to be taught.  Parenting and early socialization are quite important.  Various school activities are useful, but some of them are time sinks (the DARE campaigns come to mind).  There are many other problems: class sizes, do students spend too little/much time per day in mandatory school activities, do students need to spend fewer/more days at school, do students need to space out their school year more, are classes too intense or not intense enough, insufficient counseling services... but I digress.  With all of these issues and dysfunctions, we are lucky kids do not act out more often.

As for "liberal agenda," there is just as much as a "conservative agenda."  Mandatory pep rallies for football and pretty much nothing else?  "Conservative agenda."  Using football pep-related activities towards PE credits but generally not extending comparable options to other sports?  "Conservative agenda."  Moment of silence?  "Conservative agenda."  Arranging for kids to say The Pledge of Allegiance, and injecting that pledge with "God?"  "Conservative agenda."

Regarding school-recognized awareness days, yes, these are quite problematic, because it gives the idea that there is a "Token" period for recognizing the respective groups of people, that their significance can't otherwise stand on its own.  The contributions and significance of everyone in society has to be dealt with more matter-of-factly, that it is a matter of *fact* that people from various groups have been contributing members of society and that they are functional human beings.  Facts and research can point to these ideas.  Integrate this information into existing coursework.

Still, even outside of these facts, it may still be necessary to enforce basic Kindergarten rules to protect kids (without mentioning any discriminatory factors by name).  Keep those in force at higher grades, too -- even if they sound a bit plain and simple.  If they are simple and elegant enough, those rules won't just protect kids from intimidation and bullying, but they can serve as effective teachers, too (students can look at analogous situation to draw new conclusions).
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Just Kate

Boys dressing in women's clothing aside, is anyone else put off by the idea that to celebrate women's history month and their historical accomplishments, this school chooses to put on a $$#%@ FASHION SHOW?!?!
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Arch

Quote from: interalia on April 19, 2010, 11:26:45 PM
Boys dressing in women's clothing aside, is anyone else put off by the idea that to celebrate women's history month and their historical accomplishments, this school chooses to put on a $$#%@ FASHION SHOW?!?!

I wasn't going to say anything...I hate stuff like that anyway.

QuoteMandatory pep rallies for football and pretty much nothing else?

Gah, don't remind me. I went to a pretty liberal school, but if we didn't go to the stupid pep rallies, we had to sit quietly in the cafeteria with the other ingrates and do homework. We weren't even allowed to go to the library. Eff that.
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Britney_413

I personally never enjoyed all of the hoorahrah at my school. I enjoyed school so much more when it was just reading the material, studying it, and taking the test. I did not enjoy the "forced togetherness" that group projects, presentations, and certain field trips created. Forced diversity doesn't generally work either. You can teach the white and the black kids to get along, and the straight and gay kids to like each other. That doesn't mean everyone will naturally mingle the way the school may desire. So if the straight kids don't talk to the gay kids, it may be assumed that the gay kids are being discriminated against. It could be true on the other hand that maybe the gay kids want to stick to themselves.

I remember at my school they talked about why there wasn't more interracial mingling. Just because everyone accepts others of different groups doesn't mean they won't naturally still stick to their own kind. Someone who doesn't interracially marry doesn't make them a racist. Back to my earlier point, it goes back to where schools went from banning activities all the way to forcing them. What ever happened to just leaving everyone alone? But apparently no matter how much whites and blacks get along or how much straight people accept gay people, if everyone isn't sitting together at the same table then there must be discrimination.
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tekla

Boys dressing in women's clothing aside, is anyone else put off by the idea that to celebrate women's history month and their historical accomplishments, this school chooses to put on a $$#%@ FASHION SHOW?!?!

Congratulations for getting the only real point here.  I can only assume that Black History Month is celebrated by daily fried chicken and watermelon on the school menu and for Hispanic Heritage Days they build a low-rider and go over and mow someone lawn.

Maybe next year for Women's History Month they should put together a cookbook.
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