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Started by Nygeel, April 21, 2010, 04:56:57 PM

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Nygeel

I've been out as male to my friends for a few years (1-3 years), most of them are from the LGBT community and knew me before I realized my gender identity (but had a masculine presentation/identity). They still slip up when it comes to pronouns which I've been tolerant about for a long time. I made a post on facebook stating that I want everybody to call me by my preferred name ONLY and male pronouns ONLY.

How long after coming out is reasonable to expect only preferred pronouns and name?
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Ryan

My friends got it within weeks. My mum took a few months.
People don't really seem to slip up around me. Maybe I'm lucky.
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DavisJ86

Yeah, I get people get the male name right, but they don't get the pronouns right. In my case, it's cause they know my legal name, but still though it gets aggravating.
"It does not matter how slow you go so long as you do not stop."-Confucius

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Al James

I changed my name in January and i'm still getting she'd her'd young lady'd by the people who know why i've changed my name. CAn cope with it from the ones who don't know why but  with the ones who do its driving me mad
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Doveglion

I don't really know I've only been out for about a month now to my friends and such but unless we're in public and I introduce myself as Adan they usually 'she' me. I pass well with strangers so that's never an issue, but with friends and the little family I've told they seem to be having a lot of trouble referring to me as he and as my preferred name. It doesn't help of course that we're stuck in a house with bigots which means me and my best friend both have to be careful what we call one another around them.
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Nygeel

For me, I don't pass (maybe less than 1% of the time) so having friends that constantly "he" me is positive for me. I've been out for over a year and still get called she or by my former name after all this time.
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Adio

I pass about 90% of the time now (the other 10 is to those who already knew me or the random stranger).  My friends all call me he and my chosen name at this point.  It took my longest friendship about a couple weeks to adjust.  The others took about less than that.  Only one, that I know of, slips up on occasion; I don't really see her often enough to care.

All my family knows now.  My mom has known for six years.  Just this year has she started to call me by my chosen name and say he (and only when it's absolutely necessary for the conversation to make sense).  She usually calls me her "child" or "kid" and avoids pronouns with other people.  My grandma is still getting used to it, but she tries; she's known since about November or so of last year.

One aunt and uncle are excellent about my name and male pronouns; all it took was one phone call.  The other pair tries hard and means well, corrects themselves when they slip up.  Both pairs have known for about 3 months now.

My dad is a hopeless cause.
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jet3

Most of my friends caught on within a week, I was really surprised. My family took a little longer though. I've been on T for 6 months and my mom still slips sometimes, but she is trying so I give her a lot of credit. My dad came over tonight and didn't mess up once.
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Silver

It will probably take a good amount of time for people who are close to you and have known you for long.

It would help if you passed.
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Autumn

Well, if the avatar with the beard shadow is him in real life...

->-bleeped-<-. I'd be really bothered if people had problems after 3 years. When I transitioned at work I knew people would take a long time to get it right. Generally people caught themselves when they made a mistake, but not always. I got where on the third time I'd correct them, not wanting to nag.

A month later I'm starting to be a little more pushy.

Boss: Thank you, sir!
Me: Or you know, ma'am, either one I suppose...
Boss: Ah crap I say that to men and women.

Ex boss: "Old male nickname"... OH ->-bleeped-<- I ALWAYS DO THAT JUST HIT ME (and she does always do that)
So I did hit her.

Coworker: Male name
Me: Female name
Coworker: continues talking
Me: Female name
Coworker: continues talking
Me: female name
Coworker: What? Ohhh.

Better than everyone else Coworker: Pompous statement beginning with condescending 'sir'
Me: Sir? You really suck at this
Coworker: Clever retort preemptively defanged; silence.

Coworker: I've known lots of gay guys, and as long as you leave them alone they leave you alone.
Me: Cool. I'm not gay
Coworker: blinks.
Coworker: Ohh I guess not since you
Me: have breasts, yeah, gay guys don't go for that.
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Miniar

Calmly correcting them every time is the easiest way to get it to sink in.
I got a friend that keeps slipping up, mostly cause he's boob fixated and has seen me without a binder, even if my voice is deeper and more booming than his is. (Silly cis-boy.)
Every time he goes "her" and I interject with "him" he turns around and goes "HIM! HIM! Oh God I'm sorry!!" and so on... amuses the heck out of me.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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zombiesarepeaceful

Well, I'm not exactly reasonable. I started flipping out on people on the first day I transitioned and they got it wrong. But I wouldn't advise that. I'm just very, very touchy when it comes to pronouns and names.
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insanitylives

Yeah leo not exactly reasonable.

I think having known for a YEAR is reasonable. Just correct people nicely if they slip. being rude seems to be very counter productive IME
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Jeatyn

Most of my family aren't even trying, it's been 2 years since I legally changed my name and a little longer since I came out and I only get a "he" from my sister if she's taking the piss. Or if she is using the following phrase:

"he/she/it/whatever"

Even her 15 year old son tries to correct her and tells her it's rude but she just finds it hilarious.

The amount of time you've been out I would definitely be correcting them every time they slip up. The more tolerant you are, the less they think it matters.
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Radar

I think it's important to be tolerate in the beginning. It will take awhile for people to call you he and use your new name. The longer they've know you the longer it will take to get used to. However after one year- unless it's someone you don't communicate with much- seems like they're not trying to me. Also, I don't care at what point in transition you're in, someone saying "he/she/it/whatever" in unacceptable. >:(
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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Adio

Yeah, I'm still living with my mom (financial reasons--college and saving for top surgery) and we're very close.  She's known for 6 years, but it's only been within the last year that she's really started to call me my name and even attempt using male pronouns.

She says she's trying and it's "too hard."  That she gave birth to a daughter, not a son.  She's also very religious and believes that God doesn't make mistakes.

We did come to a compromise about a year into my transition (I was 16 or so).  She would no longer call me by my birth name or use female pronouns.  At least to my face or when we were together in public.  What she did around her friends was her business and what I did around my friends was mine.  Eventually it got to where she was comfortable enough to stop saying daughter and say "my child" and avoid all pronouns.

Last year (5 years after I came out), she finally told her friends that I was transgender.  They've known me since I was a kid, so I understand that it was hard for her and them to understand.

What I'm trying to get at is this:  Just because someone close to you (or even not so close) doesn't get things right in a year, doesn't mean they aren't trying.  Everyone has their own grieving process (and yes, they are grieving even though you haven't died), and there is no time table on that.  Be patient, gently remind, and correct people.  Getting upset (which I did many times) solves nothing, but it causes many more problems than a name or pronoun slipup.
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Jamie-o

I dunno.  I've been on T for a year (tho' to be fair, only living full time for 6 months) and while everyone gets my name right these days, they're still struggling with the pronouns.  :-\
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Devin87

Quote from: Jeatyn on April 24, 2010, 03:46:49 AMI only get a "he" from my sister if she's taking the piss. Or if she is using the following phrase:

"he/she/it/whatever"

Even her 15 year old son tries to correct her and tells her it's rude but she just finds it hilarious.

That is very rude.  I haven't changed pronouns yet, but I'm terrified of my family because I think my sisters will behave exactly that same way.  I sort of plan on presenting as female all summer until I move in August and then telling them and letting them get used to it while I'm far away so I don't have to put up with their teasing and telling me it's just a phase (every single thing I do they tell me is a phase-- I feel like I'm not taken the least bit seriously about anything).
In between the lines there's a lot of obscurity.
I'm not inclined to resign to maturity.
If it's alright, then you're all wrong.
Why bounce around to the same damn song?
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Ryan

My Dad doesn't make an effort to call me he, and I have a feeling that he does it deliberately to be stubborn.
Like others have said, the more you tolerate it long term, the more they think it's okay.

I tend to ignore anyone who doesn't call me by the proper name and pronouns so they can only get my attention by using the right ones.
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zombiesarepeaceful

A drag queen where i perform at started going off on me in the dressing room on a BOI's NIGHT....when they all assumed I was just a male entertainer...screaming, "YOU'RE A GIRL" over and over....I went off on her...goes to prove that people will do it just to make you mad. In that case, be the better man. I walked away. They're not worth it if they're being ignorant.
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