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Started by Donnie, May 14, 2010, 02:47:13 AM

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Donnie

So... *meep* My church's thing is, "Come as you are, but you can't stay that way." aka God welcome's all sinners, but they need to repent and turn away from their sinful life.

I'm not exactly sure what to do here. This church has been my home, for the most part of 15 years. I am mostly fearful of being asked to leave. Its a smaller church, AND I'm like, one in five(on a good day) of the black people that go there, blending in is gonna be a problem.

Anyone of religion have similar problems/experiences with this that might be willing to bestow upon me a little bit of wisdom?
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Catherine

Quote from: Donnie on May 14, 2010, 02:47:13 AM
So... *meep* My church's thing is, "Come as you are, but you can't stay that way." aka God welcome's all sinners, but they need to repent and turn away from their sinful life.

I'm not exactly sure what to do here. This church has been my home, for the most part of 15 years. I am mostly fearful of being asked to leave. Its a smaller church, AND I'm like, one in five(on a good day) of the black people that go there, blending in is gonna be a problem.

Anyone of religion have similar problems/experiences with this that might be willing to bestow upon me a little bit of wisdom?

The Christian Church is supposed to preach love and understanding.

If the Church cannot accept you are you are then I would suggest that the Church is very hypocritical and you would probably be better off finding a church that is more understanding of its congregation.

Sorry if this is not quite what you are looking for but I feel that there are too many bigots in the church with political views when they should be looking after their flock.
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Donnie

Quote from: Catherine on May 14, 2010, 03:14:25 AM
The Christian Church is supposed to preach love and understanding.

No, I don't believe that's is what the Christian Church is supposed to believe. At least that I my belief as a southern baptist. I think the church should be preaching the words of Jesus, which included love and understanding, yes. But there was/is so much more than that.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 14, 2010, 05:22:24 AM
Southern baptist and transgender?
Good luck honey.
ƃuıxǝʌ is absolutely right! That really won't go well. I was, for a very short while during the time of my reparative therapy, a lay preacher in just such a fellowship.

When I came out they wanted to tie me down and forcibly exorcise me. Luckily I fled before they could do it!

The only solution if you want to keep your faith going is to find another, more liberal fellowship. Happily they do exist and they can be very welcoming to people like us.
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Donnie

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 14, 2010, 05:22:24 AM
Southern baptist and transgender?
Good luck honey.

*sighs* Yeah.
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kyril

It's not going to go well. I'm really sorry to have to say this, but you're going to have two choices: leave on your own accord, or be pressured to repent and change (possibly with some suggestions of abusive 'reparative therapy') and then eventually, when it becomes apparent that you can't change, be asked to leave.

There are many ways to be a Christian, many different churches where people gather in communion with Christ. The SBC is only one of them, and it has no particular claim to the truth; other interpretations of the word of God are just as valid. Find a church where you feel comfortable and where you can be accepted for who you are. The Episcopal Church and the UCC are good places to start your search.


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justmeinoz

Hopefully they will remember that in Christ there is no male or female. Other than that all you can do is as others here have suggested, do a Martin Luther and vote with your feet  if you think they are not following in Jesus footsteps. 
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Little Dragon

*sigh* why do christians have to be SO judgemental about people who are different? :\

You are really in a bad situation, the christian view on transsexuals is very disrespectful and offensive (at least, to me) :\
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Lyric

Yes. I think you'll soon consider other options about spiritual guidance. The conservative church systems like the Southern Baptists seem to place as much importance on sanctions and condemnations as on spiritual nourishment. These people have decided to wall themselves off from anything that doesn't fit narrow vision how things should be. Yet they have always seemed to have an odd tolerance for rather un-Christianlike societal cruelty and even violence. Conservative southern churches never rallied against racism or sexism, but have only allowed integration somewhat begrudgingly. It's still open season on gays and transgendereds, though.

I'd suggest talking to other transgendered persons in your area about the possibility of a TG-friendly church in your area. Unitarians are usually a good bet, but the UUC is nothing like the SBC.

Lyric
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life." - Steve Jobs
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tekla

Just like there are two ways to get to heaven: Faith or works.  I think there is also the a) trying to live a good life as Jesus would have, or b) trying to avoid sin, and the near occasions of sin.  The SB seem set on the second, and they do find a lot of sin.

Although I'm not sure what the sin is.  If there is sex involved, then sure, sex is the root of all evil.  (It used to be money/greed, but the American Business Community made them change that.)  But I'm not sure if you are not having sex (outside of the marriage and proper positions deal) and transition, how exactly is that a sin?

Is it the Ghey they are worried about, or do they worry that this blurs the line on the Ghey deal in the first place?

But hey, I started down the road of the Seven Deadly Sins with sloth, so I never made it to the other ones.
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Suzy

This is very tough indeed.  Every church (or other organization for that matter) has an idea of what they consider to be sin, as well as a preconceived notion of how they treat those who transgress that boundary.  If you do not believe that it is a sin to be transgendered (and I certainly don't!)  then you need to find a church that agrees with you on this.  And yes, they are out there, even within the bounds of orthodox doctrine.  The chances of you changing a Baptist church's stance on this are like nil.  But, if you do want to try, please talk to your pastor first.  Remind him that this is a confidential conversation.  Then just lay things out for him and see what he thinks you should do.   If he breaches your confidentiality, he can actually be sued today for clergy malpractice.  Assuming he keeps it quiet, he may actually have some good guidance for you.  I just wouldn't count on it. 

Best of luck!

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spacial

The only Commandment dealing with sexual matters is the prohibition on adultry.

The rest is either abrogated by implication of the words of Jesus, or fabricated.

Though I appreciate that the SBU might have different ideas.
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K8

My church (Unitarian-Universalist) has been completely accepting of me, but I think Southern Baptist will be very tough.  They don't even accept that women and men are equal.  You might check out an American Baptist church if there is one in your area.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Dryad

Quote from: Little Dragon on May 17, 2010, 10:44:40 AM
*sigh* why do christians have to be SO judgemental about people who are different? :\

You are really in a bad situation, the christian view on transsexuals is very disrespectful and offensive (at least, to me) :\

It's not Christians, though.. It's all forms of religious extremism, and Christian extremism is included in that. Because, especially in the US, Christianity is so loud, it seems to be only Christians who do that.

Religious extremism, of any kind, is founded in existential dread and personal insecurity. The desire for something greater, something more, something that grants a reason for the self to exist, and a value for the self to cling to, also comes with the desire to overrule and destroy the opinions and beliefs of people other than you. Because... What if they are right, and I am wrong? Can't have that. The constant possibility of being wrong seems like a threat to their very existence.

God made everything perfect. That means that everything that is not perfect either ís, or has to be shunned (or destroyed). Sorry, guys and gals, but that's what religious extremism does.
Homosexuality is seen as a perversion on no other grounds than that it cannot bear fruit. Therefore, if homosexuality was God's plan, then God made a mistake. Which means God is imperfect. (Since it states in that same bible that loving relationships must bear fruit. A couple who does not reproduce is generally seen as out of God's favour, in the old testament.)
In the same way, Trans people, to most more extreme Christians, are midguided, because, they believe, it doesn't exist. Because God makes everything perfect, right? To admit to be Transgender, you also state (in their view) that God is imperfect. It shakes their belief, and with that, their personal value, and reason to exist.

And to be honest: The Bible, in many ways, in not a very good thing to base a religion on. A lot of it has been made up hundreds of years after the actual things happened, and a lot of it was written by spiteful, hating, murderous people.
But there's also a lot of good in it. The Gospels, which are, indeed, devoted to love, compassion and understanding. (These three things are the essence of the Words of Jesus; there was nothing else that he preached.)
If you read the bible, as a whole, clearly, you'll see that it's not just two books. (Old Testament and New Testament.)
It's actually two other books, as well. Good Bible, and Evil Bible.
It's just that the Evil Bible grants people a sense of security, because it has more rules. Sin, punishment, damnation and absolution are all in there, while the Good Bible only tells you to love.

And that's scary; just love. Because.. There aren't any rules to it. Love? Love is nice, but who's going to tell me how to lead my life? If love is all you have as a moral code, then you have to make up your rules as you go along, always keeping Love in mind.. For a lot of people, that is simply too difficult. They would rather hate with strict rules and security, than love with freedom.

O..kay..  :icon_redface: I should seriously stop ranting, now..
Just a note: I'm not a Christian, but my father's a reverent, and while he stuck to the good bits, the bad bits on the background simply didn't sit with me. Since I'm still very much interested by religion, especially abrahamic religions, for their.. Absurdities, as well as symbolism, I took a minor in them. :)

What I was trying to say: A church that preaches from the depths of sin will quite probably not accept you. If they don't, and throw you out, then don't hesitate to find another church. I know it can be hard, but keep this in mind: God's opinion doesn't count. It doesn't matter. Because if God exists, you'll only find out after you're dead.
Try to live your life by what was written in the Gospels: Love, compassion, and understanding. And find others who do the same, and will accept you. And it's with, and for, other people that we live. Not for heaven or hell. The Bible says that the Kingdom of God is a Kingdom on Earth. A Kingdom of love. And if enough people can love without the burden of sin breathing down their necks, then the Kingdom is already here.
So throw away sin, and replace sin with harm. As long as you harm as little people as you can, you're living your life well.
You won't harm anyone by transitioning. The people who will feel hurt are harming themselves for not accepting you. If the hurt they feel is 'spiritual' in nature, then remember: It is their choice to feel hurt. They're wishing it upon themselves, and there is nothing you can do about it.

And here I thought I said I'd stop ranting? >:-)
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Charles321

I go to a southern Baptist church as well and am a strong Christian. My family is too. I'm actually thinking about talking to someone there that I feel comfortable talking with about it. I know they will try to change you and say you can change it but just know that you are who you are and being trans is not a choice that you make yourself. IT happens at birth. THEy need to understand that. IF God doesn't want you to be this way then He wouldn't of let you be born this way or if He doesn't want you to be this way then He will help you change if you chose to. God will help you through this.
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Radar

Quote from: Lyric on May 17, 2010, 11:23:15 AMThe conservative church systems like the Southern Baptists seem to place as much importance on sanctions and condemnations as on spiritual nourishment. These people have decided to wall themselves off from anything that doesn't fit narrow vision how things should be. Yet they have always seemed to have an odd tolerance for rather un-Christianlike societal cruelty and even violence. Conservative southern churches never rallied against racism or sexism, but have only allowed integration somewhat begrudgingly. It's still open season on gays and transgendereds, though.

This is so true. My ex's mother and all her friends are Southern Baptist zealots and they are some of the meanest, cruelest, prejudice, racist and intolerant people I've ever met. All in the name of Jesus of course. ::) It's sickening.
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