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how to be sure that you are mtf

Started by lucaluca, May 24, 2010, 11:17:37 AM

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The HRT works at any age,i was 52 when i started and am now 62 and a complete woman and loving life to the max.I was 7-8 when i realized i was in the wrong body,i liked to do the girl stuff not the boy stuff,but where i came from if you said anything about that they would have put you away in the nut ward.So i took the male hormones and shut up till 45 years and a tour in the Marine Corp and a trip to Vietnam(blown up 3 times and shipped home on a medevac flight) and 4 kids later it got too much and i decided to transition(O happy days now)I now know that my inside matches the outside and i am wearing all those pretty clothes that i have always dreamed about!!! When i go to the Marine Corp ball each year i wear a ball gown(go to different ones each year)those purple hearts and other medals laying on my boobs knocks there socks off(i need to post some photos of the expressions)
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vlmitchell

a:) Seems that everyone's journey is and always be a little different from each other. Some less so and some more depending on your version of the tale. Personally, I had the a fairly normal laundry list:

  • Feeling of being 'wrong' somehow and not ever really being able to know why.
  • Friends - Mostly girls for whole life.
  • Acted in very girl-ish ways even, at one poine, when there were no girls around my life (BD classroom had only boys from 3-5th grades, I freaking curtsied for a week one time till someone called me on it!)
  • Always saw myself happy as a woman secretly
  • Rarely identified with the male characters in fiction
  • etc, etc, etc...

There are a thousand ways this stuff presents itself. Knowing the difference seems really a matter of just 'knowing' it at some point. Personally, the point where I get go and finally admitted it to myself was the most freeing and painful experience of my life. There are truly some embarrassing things about this to face at times and reading accounts of others helps LOADS. Julia Serano is a goooood place to start as she'll talk about things that even I'm not willing to go into.

b:) HRT is working very VERY well for me @ 30 with injections. Eight weeks now and I can already pass sans makeup. At 22, you've got nada to worry about!

Just do your internet research chika, I was able to pretty much read everything ever written on this in under six weeks. Most don't need to go *quite* that far.
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Josie06

I've know since I was 5 or 6. My mind has always known who I am, I don't need to look between my legs or on some card or anything else.

It was just this simple for me. The living is hard though.
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lilacwoman

all this advice completely makes nonsense of BeeLZeeBub - Blanchard Lawrence Zucker and Bailey who all parrot that we are either effeminate homosexuals or liars and that we only 'dress up' to attract guys for sex or for masturbation.
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barbie

My guess is that If you hate your pe*nis, then you are m2f transsexual. Otherwise, you are m2f transgender.

Too simple?

Barbie~~
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Nigella

Quote from: barbie on June 27, 2010, 10:30:34 AM
My guess is that If you hate your pe*nis, then you are m2f transsexual. Otherwise, you are m2f transgender.

Too simple?

Barbie~~

I hated my whole body, well except my eyes and hair, lol, but yeah I guess if you hate your pe*nis, then you are transsexual or you could be pe*nis dysphoric, lol.

Stardust
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MsFierce

Quote from: barbie on June 27, 2010, 10:30:34 AM
My guess is that If you hate your pe*nis, then you are m2f transsexual. Otherwise, you are m2f transgender.

Too simple?

Barbie~~


I don't agree with that.

I know plenty of M2F Transsexuals who LOVE their penis lol. I also know a F2M who loves his hairy vagina LOL sorry :-\. They all take hormones and identify as ''transsexuals'', they just have no desire to be 'Post-Op'
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Epigania

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 24, 2010, 04:23:35 PM
Firstly, I don't really see any great difference between 'transsexual' and 'transgender'.
So how did I figure out that I'm not a cross dresser or an androgyne person?
By living as a woman; by trying it on for size.

I'm going to have to say that this is where it's gone with me.   Once upon a time, I was so afraid to go out in public it was killing me inside, because I was one person to the world, but another in my home.

One day it snapped in my mind, that I would just try to live as a woman for awhile and see how things went.  See if it's something I felt I could do for the rest of my life.   Ever since then I've lived as a woman everywhere except for work.  (I still don't have the confidence that I'll be able to keep my career and lifestyle as a woman, but I'm getting there ... I think if I were to ever switch jobs, that hurdle will go away.)

I find that now, I feel so ... normal ... when I'm able to be me that I don't think I could ever really leave as a male again.

MeghanAndrews

Good questions here and I think most people will ask themselves these types of questions pretty much throughout their life when they try to make sense of things. Who am I? Why am I this way? Am I normal? What can I do to be happy? Etc. For us I think it's a little more complicated because in order to be happy we basically have to change everything about our ourselves at the risk of losing everything and everyone. The stakes are pretty high. Lucaluca, it's so, so important to carefully consider and double-check that you are absolutely sure that the path you choose is the right one for YOU.

Ok, so with that said, I don't agree with nor do I support any comments that say "if you do x than you must be transsexual." I mean yeah, there are some similarities in experience and common paths but it is pretty much self-diagnosed, it's not like there are accurate tests or conclusive research or anything. If you identify as female but you plan on keeping your genitals by choice that doesn't make you transsexual? Hmmm, that doesn't sound right. What does that make them then? Transgender? Cross-dresser? Something we don't put a label on? I would say non-op TS if I had to throw a label around but if they identify as transsexual, the label is theirs, right?

How do you know that you are a male to female transsexual and not a crossdresser, a transgender or an androgyne? Well, I did crossdress a little bit growing up and I went out a few times when I was like 30 or 31. The problem for me with crossdressing was I felt like an f'ing clown. I felt like I was mimicing something, I looked hideous and generally repulsed myself. I don't think it has anything to do with internalized transphobia, more like I wasn't delusional and knew what I looked like. I believe ts is a subset of tg so if you identify as ts than you are also tg according to conventional wisdom, right? I'm definitely not androgyne, I identify pretty much on one side of the gender binary and it isn't the male side.

How do you know that you don't make a mistake? GREAT QUESTION!!!! This is one I think everyone should ponder. Not just that but WHY?? Why do you have to transition? What do you get out of it? Why not stay where you are and maybe be miserable but not lose everything or risk losing everything? The answer can only be obtained by YOU Lucaluca. YOU are the one that has to ponder that and get answers. Keep journals, blog, vlog, diary, talk to people here or in real life if you are close to someone you can talk to. You have support at least here if you need, keep that in mind. I think vexing said "you have to try it on" and I think that's a good point too. Transition is done a million different ways by people, just ponder stuff and come up with answers and remember that you are on a journey of discovery. Don't let anyone tell you who you are or throw you in a box!

For me, I really pondered what I was doing before I transitioned. I really focused on my past and all of my feelings leading up to now. I spent time talking to friends, talking to family, making sure I wasn't rewriting my own history to make a nice, comfy past to explain my transition (I think that's common sometimes). The underlying feeling for me was just something clicking. I had accomplished so much in my life but I did it knowing since I was 5 that I was a girl. I don't feel like I was "a woman trapped in a man's body," that's a little too dramatic for me. I believe that somehow, some unexplainable way, I felt like inside I was a girl. I thought I WAS a girl. I didn't want to BE a girl, I was! It's insane, I know. I hate verbalizing it to people outside of the community because it sounds dumb. There is no explanation for it but you know what Luca? It's what I felt and it was real.

It was always there sitting with me like a close friend. It was there to remind me that I wasn't being truthful with people. It was there when I got married, there when I got promotions and there when I was doing really bad. It...was...always...there. Feeling like I was a girl inside. That, to me, was what made me feel like I had to transition. I felt hideous in girl clothes, like I was bad actor, even worse than the job I was doing at being a dude. I'd see myself and be like "who do you think you are? Why do you look like this?"

But like I think Jenny said, I was the same exact person whether I wore girl clothes or boy clothes. It was and is in my head. It wasn't something that was split into two. There was no boy me or girl me. I never felt like getting away dressed was "being the real me." I was the real me all the time, in my head. I was totally ok with wearing guy clothes. It never bothered me at all. The problem was that people were seeing me as a guy. It went against who I was as a person. I didn't have a part of me that ever really identified with being a guy. It was foreign. I don't know why. I had a penis. I looked like a guy. Why didn't I feel like one? I have no clue. I spent a lot of time really wishing that I'd wake up and be a guy like my friends and like the same things. I didn't like growing up feeling like a freak at all. I didn't spend all of my time wishing I was a girl, I already felt like one. It's weird though because most MTF TS I know felt like they wanted to be girls. I don't know many that actually WANTED to be guys. I don't know why I felt like that. I did have moments where I did feel like "why am I NOT a girl?," definitely, but I also spent time wanting to be a normal guy.

How do you know that you really are a female inside a male body? I don't? I mean "I just am!" No, wait. "I have proof! My doctor did a test and it was like a pregnancy test and it turns GREEN instead of pink or blue is you are trans. Mine turned green and here I am!" Lol, j/k with you. Honestly, I can't explain it Luca. I can try to, like others have done, but it probably will sound crazy, lol. It goes back far. It's an internal feeling I've had. It's a brain thing somehow. I did not grow up female, I have never had XX chromosomes and never will. I am not here to make a bunch of reasons for you, just to tell you that I can't really adequately explain why it is I feel like this.

I think this is super important for people to keep in mind when they are transitioning and coming out. I had very, very people who just had to know WHY I was like this, why I needed to do it, why it was required. I sat down with each person, explained my thoughts in detail, admitted I didn't have all the answers, and I just reassured them that this is not 1) a new feeling, been here since I was very young 2) something I've thought long and hard about 3) open to questions and thoughts from others and 4) looking forward to living an honest life and one where my relationships with people, especially friends and family, will be 100% honest and pure. If you approach people like that they will be a little less on guard than if you said "look, this is how it is call, call me Sally and don't ask questions!"

How do you know that your motivation for transition is the "right" one. Also a great question! I think there a many different reasons for motivation. Is there a wrong one? Actually, I think the one that would be wrong is if you committed a crime and were changing your identity to hide, lol. My motivation to transition was this. I got a point in my life where I had accomplished everything I set out to do. I had a great job, a great wife, a nice house and all the material things you could ever hope for. I had more money than I knew what to do with. But I wasn't happy. I had good times, definitely. I smiled. I look back with fond memories, I really do. But I was hollow inside. There was a silent heavy sadness in me. When I came out people said "I always knew there was something about you, something different, but I didn't know what it was. It was like there was just something in you, something heavy, but I didn't know what it was." I didn't act girly. I didn't look like a girl. Etc. But carrying around the weight of this gender stuff is not easy to hide. For me it just manifested itself in other ways. I focused all of my adult energy on achieving success in every way. When I had accomplished that by 36 I was like "um, ok, what's going on? why do I still feel like this? why is it still here?"

There's a great saying that I associate with why people transition and the timing of their transition, regardless of the reason. I believe it wholeheartedly. I also believe it's why some people never transition. You can't underestimate the risk that people face when they transition. People talk about loss of love like it's nothing but really, think about it. You could very well end up alone for the rest of your life. That's a terrifying thought for some people. Losing a job, spouse, kids, community, EVERYTHING and then, on top of that, facing the potential discrimination and violence, it's a lot to consider. But I also believe there are non-transitioning, non-out, non-HRT-taking transpeople all over the place. Ok, here's the quote, it's conveniently tattooed on this girl's side:



Should you transition Luca? Totally your call. Are you in so much pain that you can't bear the thought of not transitioning? Does it just make sense to do it to you when you evaluate your life? Has it been a driving force in your life for a long time? Have you talked to a professional about it? Have you really thought through all of the possibilities of what can happen if you do? Have you asked really tough questions of yourself? I know one that people sometimes really get stuck on is "will I transition if I am not passable? what percentage of the population would have to see me as female to make transition 'worth it?'" It might sound dumb but think about it. If you have always seen yourself as female and you transition and go from being seen as male and not being threatened with violence or losing everything to being seen as a (sorry for the term) "man in a dress" would you still do it? What would have to happen, how would you prepare for that not to happen as much as possible? Do you even care about those things or is it more important to be who you are and just forget about what other people say (like many people here and in the community say)? These are questions to ponder and about 1,341,875 more :) Good luck in your journey no matter what it brings you. Just focus on being you, being honest with yourself and others and living a full life :) The rest will come, Meghan

Oh, about the genitals, I have the genitals I was born with. I used to think SRS was sooooo important, I couldn't get it done soon enough (this was prior to transition). I have never "hated" my genitals, never tried to chop them off, probably was never caused any psychological trauma because of them, I don't know. My genitals are such a small, small part of my life and always have been. They haven't been a pleasure point for me. I don't use them for anything other than peeing and didn't make a practice of touching it for other reasons. But it is a part of me and my body and has been there for 41 years. It doesn't fit now and I will get SRS to fix that, but it just isn't my focus. Excelling in my career, getting into nursing school, getting ready for this party tonight, those are my concerns today. Whether or not I have a penis is pretty inconsequential on a daily basis for me.
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Nigella


Oh, about the genitals, I have the genitals I was born with. I used to think SRS was sooooo important, I couldn't get it done soon enough (this was prior to transition). I have never "hated" my genitals, never tried to chop them off, probably was never caused any psychological trauma because of them, I don't know. My genitals are such a small, small part of my life and always have been. They haven't been a pleasure point for me. I don't use them for anything other than peeing and didn't make a practice of touching it for other reasons. But it is a part of me and my body and has been there for 41 years. It doesn't fit now and I will get SRS to fix that, but it just isn't my focus. Excelling in my career, getting into nursing school, getting ready for this party tonight, those are my concerns today. Whether or not I have a penis is pretty inconsequential on a daily basis for me.
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I'm sorry I was being a little flippant before. I agree that even though I hated my body, my transition was not planned, it just sort of happened when I got to the point of not wanting to live any more. So through great emotion and loss I have transitioned, with a good job, new friends and a new area in which to live, life has been good to me since and I am the happiest I have ever been. GRS in a couple of weeks is only icing on the cake so to speak.

Should someone who has gender confusion transition? That is up to a lot of factors in the persons life and has to be their call.

Stardust
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Epigania

Meghan, I must say, your post was wonderful to read.   You express yourself so clearly and with such consideration, I couldn't help but respond to your post and thank you.

It's so easy to simply post a quick and easy response, but your post reminded me that this is a very complex process and there's much thought that goes into it.

At the risk of sounding like a "Me Too" type of person, I have to say that as I read your post, I couldn't help but realize that I wasn't alone in the world.   We have a lot of commonality and you've helped me gain some perspective in an area I've been thinking a lot about, lately.

From the deepest part of my heart, thank you.


Nero

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on June 27, 2010, 02:29:22 PMI didn't spend all of my time wishing I was a girl, I already felt like one. It's weird though because most MTF TS I know felt like they wanted to be girls. I don't know many that actually WANTED to be guys. I don't know why I felt like that. I did have moments where I did feel like "why am I NOT a girl?," definitely, but I also spent time wanting to be a normal guy.

Thanks for this Meghan. I was the same.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Alyssa M.

 
Quote from: MeghanAndrews on June 27, 2010, 02:29:22 PM
How do you know that your motivation for transition is the "right" one. Also a great question! I think there a many different reasons for motivation. Is there a wrong one? Actually, I think the one that would be wrong is if you committed a crime and were changing your identity to hide, lol. My motivation to transition was this. I got a point in my life where I had accomplished everything I set out to do. I had a great job, a great wife, a nice house and all the material things you could ever hope for. I had more money than I knew what to do with. But I wasn't happy. I had good times, definitely. I smiled. I look back with fond memories, I really do. But I was hollow inside. There was a silent heavy sadness in me. When I came out people said "I always knew there was something about you, something different, but I didn't know what it was. It was like there was just something in you, something heavy, but I didn't know what it was." I didn't act girly. I didn't look like a girl. Etc. But carrying around the weight of this gender stuff is not easy to hide. For me it just manifested itself in other ways. I focused all of my adult energy on achieving success in every way. When I had accomplished that by 36 I was like "um, ok, what's going on? why do I still feel like this? why is it still here?"

This describes my experience almost perfectly in all but the details.

That's exactly the reason it took my so long (until age 30) to transition. I tend to be a very cautious person, and there was so much else I could blame my unhappiness on, and transition just seemed like an extreme response if I wasn't sure. Well, I never became sure -- at least not by my very high standard of what it "sure" means -- but when I was 29, I suddenly found myself on top of the world in terms of career, social life, recreation, etc., and I was still deeply unhappy, and it became clear why.

Two years later, I feel I know for the first time in my life, or at least since I was very small, what happiness really is. It's something I haven't felt since I was perhaps three or four, and I had pretty much forgotten. But it's something that is so obvious in how I respond to music or awkward social situation or the impending darkness at dusk or the sight of a beautiful woman or countless other things. The sting is simply absent. And it's obvious to everyone I meet in how they respond to me, a much more vibrant and outgoing and positive person to be around that I ever was, someone who draws others in to her light, rather than repelling them with darkness.

That's how I know. Not because I can provide any etiology or philosophical proof that I'm "really" a woman, whatever that even means, but by the simple fact of my life, which is all that matters.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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BunnyBee

Damn Alyssa that describes me to a t.

About happiness, I never realized how unhappy I'd been throughout my life until I finally experienced sustained happiness after transition.  After that everything in the past had a context.  No way anybody will convince me to go back to feeling that way again.

Oh also, thank you for your thoughtful post Meghan.  I loved it. :)
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Dana_W

Meghan's post was about ten thousand times better than what I was going to reply.  It also covered absolutely everything I wanted to say and then some. So, you know, fist-bump or something for Meghan.

Also, I'm totally in that camp Alyssa called out as well. I tried to be happy through being successful in my birth sex. And only in transition did I discover/remember what actual happiness felt like.
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lilacwoman

Quote from: MsGiselle on June 27, 2010, 11:45:25 AM

I don't agree with that.

I know plenty of M2F Transsexuals who LOVE their penis lol. I also know a F2M who loves his hairy vagina LOL sorry :-\. They all take hormones and identify as ''transsexuals'', they just have no desire to be 'Post-Op'
I refuse to beleive they are transsexual...they may be trans something but as girls don't have penises and they have no plans to lose theire then by definition they ain't transsexual.
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Cindy

Some awesome posts,

Just as a statement I don't think there is a difference between the terms transsexual or transgender. I realise there is a difference between sex and gender but I think TS and TG have been so inter-used that the public would have problems separating them. And I'm being very kind to the public :laugh:.

I think that many TG people  cross dress at an early age, and may even get sexual arousal from it, particularly MtF, because of fantasy image. I also think that TG people grow out of the 'fantasy sexual imagery' part of life. I no longer cross dress. I'm a normal healthy woman who likes to look nice. I look nice for me. I look nice to fit in with society. I like being accepted as a woman. I try and I think most woman :laugh: try not to dress in a 'tarty' fashion. I think some cross dressers would love to wear the 'French maid' outfits and really enjoy it. I do not know many TGs who would, OK yes at home get your boy friend steaming  so he won't be watching the football match :laugh: :laugh:. But that's rare. Yes, you see young woman go through those stages, school girls whose skirt hems change from the breakfast table to the front door, it's part of growing up.

I feel nice when I'm nicely dressed. I feel really relaxed wearing a nice gorgeous outfit going out to dinner. I want my makeup to make me look great. I want men to desire me.

But I don't want to masturbate about it. But I think many CDs would want to. And that's OK as well, but it's not my scene and I doubt it is any woman's scene.
JMO

Cindy

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Asfsd4214

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on June 28, 2010, 02:13:30 AM
Sorry, but women are quite capable of having penises and plenty of cis women desire to have or use a penis without having the desire to be a man.
We are not defined by our genitalia.
I am no less or more woman due to lack of or ownership of a penis or vagina.
Your views are archaic and, well, offensive.

Besides, I dare anyone to look at my penis and tell me it doesn't look feminine. It doesn't look like any male penis I've ever seen.
Respect the girl penis!

::)
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cynthialee

I am gonna have to side with Vexing on this one.

I am in a relationship, married and sex and all. I feel my most female when I take a hit for the team and use the man bits to pleasure my mate. It took me a very long time to come to terms with that.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Inphyy

Trans-sexuality in retrospect cannot be defined or labeled into one scene but can be generally overdosed with many different situations...Some may seem unorthodox and some may even seem typical but every story has it's beginning, midst and end -- What you do with that story is up to you to define and no one else can do that for you because in the end your story can become a fairytale or end up as an grotesque nightmare.
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