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Started by Legora, May 25, 2010, 03:47:08 AM

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Legora

Firstly, I'm new here and ignorant, so please excuse anything i say that sounds stupid / weird...

So I was curious if there are some common events that seem to happen to many transwomen.  Yes, I understand that everyone's different, but there do seem to be a few common things.

For example, I've known a couple of transwomen, and they all had some kind of horrifically traumatizing experience with being forced to cut their hair short.  So... yeah, things like that.
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sarahm

The only thing that I know of that is 100% common amongst all transsexuals, being MtF or FtM is the initial depression, and the various stages of pre-transition preparation.

Generally, you are Transgender at birth it doesn't just happen over night nor is it contagious, however, some people don't know that they are, or don't understand their feelings and or desires to be or live as the opposite gender until later in their life. Most common time frame to understand the feelings is generally about 17 or 18 years, to about 27 or 28, from my knowledge. And then from about 35 or so upwards. There are even some cases where people had understood from birth, but this is more rare then a later understanding.

Usually, the initial feeling of something being wrong is a feeling of emptiness, and not being able to fill it, even for a second. Other people feel a `disconnection from reality`, jealousy towards people of the opposite physical gender role (Or the preferred gender role) and some people have some very obvious signs, like wanting to play with their preferred gender role's toys when they were young.

Nothing is certain in it, except the feeling of something not being right, and the depression. Aside from that, any number of things can be the same, similar, or opposite to any other situation.
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Legora

Hehe... okay, good to know it's not contagious.  Now I can stop wearing one of those medical masks around my friends.  :D
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pebbles

The most ubiquitous feeling I've found in all transpepole is they were suffering before and doing something about those feelings makes them happy extremely happy to the point where all of them feel regret at not having done something sooner no matter how old you are.

Another common experience is they Transpepole are often left-handed and usually the only left handed person in the family. That's one of my experiences.

A whole lot of sadness and experiences of body horror. It's not a nice thing to go through.
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Legora

#4
Huh... I'm very surprised about the left-handed thing.  That is very good to know!

See, um... to be honest, this is kind of for a story I'm writing (despite my total lack of talent).  I want to have a transsexual character, and I want it to be accurate.  Hence, I think it'd be nice to include some "common" traits / past events.  Although clearly this is kind of a weird pursuit because people are so different from one to another...
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LordKAT

Keep reading and you will find plenty.
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lilacwoman

I wasn't TRANSGENDE at birth...I was suffering from Harry Benjamin Syndrome.
There's a new book that explains why we are like we are:

HBS  Harry Benjamin Syndrome Review..

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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: pebbles on May 25, 2010, 05:08:21 AM
Another common experience is they Transpepole are often left-handed and usually the only left handed person in the family. That's one of my experiences.

Ah, yes my sisters left handed and she's not transsexual but wait I am also left handed!

Left handedness does not relate to being transgender and I'm sure just as many right handed people are also transsexual too!
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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kyril

There are several different standard trans 'narratives' (that is, ways people experience and interpret being trans) just within Western cultures. The MTF experience differs from the FTM, and each of those has several different sub-narratives. And trans people living outside Western cultures have completely different narratives that they draw from.

We'd need to know more about your character before we could start talking about common experiences. Does s/he identify as male? female? A man? A woman? Something else? How old is s/he? Where and when did s/he grow up, and where does s/he live now? How old was s/he when s/he began transition? What is his/her sexual orientation?


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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: sarahm on May 25, 2010, 04:04:33 AM
Generally, you are Transgender at birth it doesn't just happen over night nor is it contagious, however, some people don't know that they are, or don't understand their feelings and or desires to be or live as the opposite gender until later in their life. Most common time frame to understand the feelings is generally about 17 or 18 years, to about 27 or 28, from my knowledge. And then from about 35 or so upwards. There are even some cases where people had understood from birth, but this is more rare then a later understanding.


Most people have these feelings at an early at around 4 or 5 years old. For me personally the feelings started around 4 years old and were pretty intense by the age of 12. But depending on the era in which you grew up the hurdles varied. At 12 years old I dressed as androgenously as I could and had my hair long enough to sit on! this wasn't that easy for a kid growing up in the 70's but that was the way I felt and I stuck to my principles. When your 13 or 14 it's surprising how far you can push the bounderies!

But by the time I hit 20 I really lost my way and tried to conform for a few years which really made me feel miserable. I had my hair cut but by today's standards you wouldn't call it short and I tried to comply with a male image. This of course didn't last very long...
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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pebbles

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on May 25, 2010, 06:35:21 PM
Ah, yes my sisters left handed and she's not transsexual but wait I am also left handed!

Left handedness does not relate to being transgender and I'm sure just as many right handed people are also transsexual too!
I'm not saying there aren't any right handed Trans-pepole Or left handed non-trans pepole.  Of course not! Nor am I saying it can be used as an accurate method of diagnosis.

But when I noticed this myself reading others stories and I looked it up and it is a documented statistically significant phenomenon.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.80.5457
http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/784
http://www.springerlink.com/content/x30l7j8067622044/
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Muffin

#11
Becoming so ridiculously popular that your phone runs hot.. so much so that you grab a headband and use it to pin your phone to your ear. So you have your hands free to be also able to reply to your ridiculously ever expanding by the minute email inbox.
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lol.... [/sarcasm]
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Legora

Quote from: kyril on May 25, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
We'd need to know more about your character before we could start talking about common experiences. Does s/he identify as male? female? A man? A woman? Something else? How old is s/he? Where and when did s/he grow up, and where does s/he live now? How old was s/he when s/he began transition? What is his/her sexual orientation?

Eh... well, it's kind of hard to explain... the story isn't centered around the character being transsexual, and I haven't even settled on a gender or name or anything for the main character.  I was originally thinking of the person being "MtF", but I'm not sure anymore.  Actually... this is a pretty big sidetrack, but... I don't like that term.  "Male to female" implies that at one point, the person was male and then became female, and I guess that could be true for some people, but in general what I've seen is that a person's biological sex doesn't change (duh, you can't remove a Y chromosome), but neither does a person's self-identified gender.  The people I've known (yes, it's not universal, I know), they've known to some extent that they identified as female since they were young, even if it was subconsciously.  So... yeah, just saying that there must be a better term...

Okay, where was I?  Right, all I know is that the story will deal with gender issues and I thought that one way to use this was by having the main character be transsexual.
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Alyssa M.

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I think you've hit on one of the most common experiences of ... let's just say, "us." That is: discomfort with the words that are used in various contexts and by various people to refer to us, and a struggle to find a way to speak clearly about whatever it is that defines who is meant by "us" in a clear and graceful manner.

For example, you talk about "biological sex," but that term is quite troublesome in itself. Sex is a phenotype, not genotype, resulting from the interaction of several different genes, which may or may not be located on the X or Y chromosomes, so the question as to which phenotype or combination of phenotypes one uses to make that distinction (or to determine that the distinction doesn't apply) is a murky one indeed!

Many biologists make the distinction with regard to the size of the gametes one might produce -- it's quite useful in ecological or developmental research, but says nothing, of course, about social interactions. Others (who have different interests in the question) support the "brain-sex" model; I tend to subscribe to that model as being useful in describing the social implications of what I sometimes call "trans identities." I tend to see it as helping to explain the diversity of gender-variant experiences (including as "gender-variant" those very gender-conforming people whose only variation is that the gender they conform to is different from the one that it was assumed they would). Many proponents of the theory, however, use it to draw sharp-line distinctions.

Then there are the labels -- "transsexual," "just a man/woman," "genderqueer," "HBS/WBT," "transgender," "FTM/MTF," "->-bleeped-<-," "trans," "she-male," "two-spirit," "hijra," "third gender," etc. -- or something entirely new. Which ones are slurs, which are culturally valid, which are overly-technical or not technical enough, which have undersirable connotations, which adequtely or inadequately describe your own experience -- those are all difficult and very often bitterly disputed questions.

Kyril and NB are right on when they talk about how cultural factors influence the experience. That applies at both large and small scales -- from the region of the world and decade or century of your birth, to the particular dynamics of your family and your personal disposition.  I think that however broadly or narrowly you define "us," "we" are about as representative a sample of the human population as you can come up with, something like "type-one diabetics" or "eldest children."

I suppose that doesn't answer your question of shared experiences directly, but it's something you brought up. I think the better answer is simply to read the forums, books, other web sites and blogs, find other trans people in your area, and you'll get your answer there. I hope that you will find that we have far more diversity than conformity in our population. Rejoice in that: being "one of us" doesn't mean you can't still be yourself.

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[edit -- ah, I see -- you're not actually "one of us" -- but that's fine; what I said still pretty much applies, and you're still allowed to "be yourself." ;)]
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Legora

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Quote from: Alyssa M. on May 26, 2010, 11:53:37 AM
I think you've hit on one of the most common experiences of ... let's just say, "us." That is: discomfort with the words that are used in various contexts and by various people to refer to us, and a struggle to find a way to speak clearly about whatever it is that defines who is meant by "us" in a clear and graceful manner.

For example, you talk about "biological sex," but that term is quite troublesome in itself. Sex is a phenotype, not genotype, resulting from the interaction of several different genes, which may or may not be located on the X or Y chromosomes, so the question as to which phenotype or combination of phenotypes one uses to make that distinction (or to determine that the distinction doesn't apply) is a murky one indeed!

Many biologists make the distinction with regard to the size of the gametes one might produce -- it's quite useful in ecological or developmental research, but says nothing, of course, about social interactions. Others (who have different interests in the question) support the "brain-sex" model; I tend to subscribe to that model as being useful in describing the social implications of what I sometimes call "trans identities." I tend to see it as helping to explain the diversity of gender-variant experiences (including as "gender-variant" those very gender-conforming people whose only variation is that the gender they conform to is different from the one that it was assumed they would). Many proponents of the theory, however, use it to draw sharp-line distinctions.

Then there are the labels -- "transsexual," "just a man/woman," "genderqueer," "HBS/WBT," "transgender," "FTM/MTF," "->-bleeped-<-," "trans," "she-male," "two-spirit," "hijra," "third gender," etc. -- or something entirely new. Which ones are slurs, which are culturally valid, which are overly-technical or not technical enough, which have undersirable connotations, which adequtely or inadequately describe your own experience -- those are all difficult and very often bitterly disputed questions.

Kyril and NB are right on when they talk about how cultural factors influence the experience. That applies at both large and small scales -- from the region of the world and decade or century of your birth, to the particular dynamics of your family and your personal disposition.  I think that however broadly or narrowly you define "us," "we" are about as representative a sample of the human population as you can come up with, something like "type-one diabetics" or "eldest children."

I suppose that doesn't answer your question of shared experiences directly, but it's something you brought up. I think the better answer is simply to read the forums, books, other web sites and blogs, find other trans people in your area, and you'll get your answer there. I hope that you will find that we have far more diversity than conformity in our population. Rejoice in that: being "one of us" doesn't mean you can't still be yourself.

Yeah, ugh... so complicated.  For example there's that condition where a woman has a Y chromosome, but looks completely female.  I think it's a different condition that just being intersexed.  I knew the name of it a while ago.  I think it's the one that that angry Republican lady has.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Er, anywho... the point being that... I don't know how to say this exactly... but for someone like me who identifies with their biological sex (my mom had chorionic villus sampling, so I do indeed know that I'm XY), it's kinda anxiety inducing to talk about anything like this because it's all SOOO personal and serious that if I were to ignorantly use the wrong terminology, I'm kinda scared that I'll really offend someone...  :embarrassed:
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LordKAT

Sometimes, no matter what you do, you will offend somebody. When that happens, do what you  can to minimize the offense and move on.
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Alyssa M.

Yes, you almost certainly will. It's pretty much unavoidable. But you seem to have a generous and caring spirit, so I'm sure you will be able to handle it gracefully when that happens.

The condition you mentioned is probably CAIS, and it's considered an intersex condition (I believe). How much bearing intersex conditions have on questions of trans experience is another controversial matter. There's always nasty gossip about various public figures being trans or intersexed (or gay for that matter), whether Ann Coulter or Lady Gaga or Jamie Lee Curtis or Richard Gere. Don't buy it.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Legora

Thanks, that's very sweet of you to say.  I... I'll be careful though.  I don't wanna upset anyone...   ^-^
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Cowboi

Okay I am a little lost on what the hell is going on in this thread. Legora, are you someone who identifies/is trans in any way or are you someone who's gender identity matches their outward/physical gender at birth?

From what I've picked up it seems like you are not trans, but before I go forward with anything I'm thinking I'd like to know the answer to that question. There are things that obviously would need to be explained for someone who does not have the experience at all as opposed to a trans person who is on one side trying to learn about the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Silver

Quote from: Legora on May 25, 2010, 03:47:08 AM
For example, I've known a couple of "FtM" people (I don't like that term), and they all had some kind of horrifically traumatizing experience with being forced to cut their hair short.  So... yeah, things like that.

Well, I'm FTM and that never happened to me. The only certain thing is probably overwhelming discomfort. And perhaps being misunderstood.
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