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so let me get this straight once an for all , what's YOUR definition of an andro

Started by confused, May 26, 2010, 06:21:39 AM

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confused

so last sunday , i was preparing for bed and ( as usual when i try to sleep) was a little too uncomfortable with my body  .then it got me thinking , what the hell do i want?! (untill then i was identifying as mtf ,planning on full transition) i knew then i don't totally fit under any category i mean most mtfs i knew or read about didn't get guys actions , i totally understand both , and yeah i would want to be good looking but not masculine and not too feminine .... anyway i kept thinking then it suddenly hit me , i think i'm androgyny

but then like two days later i found out that even that i might not fit in it , since i'm leaning more towards a fem body (probably why i'm still planning -yet unsure- on full transition)  . most androgyny people say that theyr neither female or male , but i say ..i'm a lil bit of both . and i can actually be both , but would be more comfortable in a different body that's all .

so my basic motivation that made me come across the TG society in general that even though i was completely unaware of such society that i felt the need to be a woman , then after came familiar with the terms i decided that i actually am androgyny , but then there's this whole mix up in my head





so anyway , you don't have to read the above ranting , here's the basic point of this thread

as the title said , what's your own definition of "androgyny" ?


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rejennyrated

Quote from: something else on May 26, 2010, 06:21:39 AM
most androgyny people say that theyr neither female or male , but i say ..i'm a lil bit of both . and i can actually be both , but would be more comfortable in a different body that's all .
Not true!

For some it is PHYSICAL androgyny they seek - for others it is a MENTAL state.

Although the physical is probably the more common form of expression you are quite incorrect in stating that the other does not exist if you read the posts by Helena and myself you would see that it does.

Andogyne is a broad church emcompassing people from those who like me want have a physically totally female form but historically have chosen to express some masculine personality traits to those who as you say are neither or a bit of both.

It's not a simple definition - it a very broad and varied one - there is NO ONE defintive andogyne - that why the stereotype thread got to be so silly and fun, because if you put a bunch in the room there would be as many variations on a theme as you could imagine.
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confused

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 26, 2010, 06:35:34 AM
Not true!

For some it is PHYSICAL androgyny they seek - for others it is a MENTAL state.

Although the physical is probably the more common form of expression you are quite incorrect in stating that the other does not exist if you read the posts by Helena and myself you would see that it does.

yeah of course i know about the andro mental state, i'm actually living it heh
and i know about Gender Gifted Girls  :D , and the fact that you are the founder of the term , which i actually knew from your response to my first thread here and my first encounter with all the TG community ,so for always trying to clarify everything, thanks :)

i read some of the (i want a stereotype) thread . but as you said. so it was confusing , so i figured maybe everyone have their own definiton and understanding of an androgyny ,and for some reason that i don't know i need to feel that i'm under some category , maybe because i was scared that there might be something wrong with me or all i'm having are delusions , hence>>this thread
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Shana A

maybe this thread should be titled "so let me get this straight QUEER once and for all , what's YOUR definition of an andro    ;)  :laugh:

What it means for me (no one else) and my reality, neither male or female.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Eva Marie

"Androgyne" covers a lot of territory - it could mean feeling like both genders, no gender, or anything in between. I believe "my" definition of androgyne differs from the official definition that is in the susans wiki.

For me, i'm genderfluid which means i float between the two binaries. Sometimes i like to femme out, other times i'm happy doing boy stuff.

We're the assorted mixed chocolates of transgendered people  :D
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rejennyrated

Quote from: riven1 on May 26, 2010, 09:54:58 AM
We're the assorted mixed chocolates of transgendered people  :D
YAY - another great metaphor! :D

Actually that's an idea for a great new "fun" thead...

Which to avoid hijacking this one you now can find here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,77779.0.html
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Eva Marie

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 26, 2010, 10:27:25 AM
YAY - another great metaphor! :D

Actually that's an idea for a great new "fun" thead...

Which to avoid hijacking this one you now can find here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,77779.0.html

I was originally gonna say "mixed nuts" but thought better of it  :D
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no_id

Androgyne: a gender identity that has absolutely nothing to do with gender expresison/androgynous; the gender identity wherein the individual identifies as both bigender, inbetween, neither binary gender or a complete other gender; and does not necessarily experience gender dysphoria.

My definition is straight from the book - I've come to accept Androgyny as a large playfield even if my own, individual frame of reference doesn't stretch that far.

Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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Sevan

Hmmmm...let me speak of how *I* see the androgyn "community" at large....basically the way I see it...are you MtF?
No?
Are you FtM?
No?
Are you transgender though?
Yes?
Then you likely fit into androgyny gender identity. (Though...for what it's worth I think No_id said it better...)  ;)
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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Pica Pica

Somebody what feels themself to be neither wholey male nor female for whatever reason.

Any body/image/presentation/clothing choices/null genderedness/bi-genderedness/genderfluidnes &c.. are elements of how the particular person conceives and deals with the above situation.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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noeleena

Hi.
  Some where in between or 60 % male 60 % female .
  happy being who i am & wired both,

  You see we are all different & really its no one else s concern,   Iv seen what its like being male Im seeing what it s like being female  tho i tend towards female in how i would rather think yet enough male to know im not a true male & cant be a true female.

  So now. im accepted as a woman , & thatll do for me. & how i express my self as one ,
  So when i say im a transfemale with a male back ground & can live with my self , then thats all that matters.

...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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Pica Pica

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Carl E. Shy

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 30, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
Doesn't that make you 120% a person?

lol,
maybe noeleena meant either somewhere between 60% female & 40%male, and 60%male and 40%female.

eNTROPY, I consider myself a andro because I don't feel like either male or female fully, so I could never transition to be a full male (because I would hate it) but I couldn't keep up most of the feminine standards that, the US at least, impose on females.

When I was new to the idea of straying away from the my past gender stereotype, the first thing I did was look up some basic definitions in a regular dictionary.
dictionary.com:
Androgyne (noun): a being of ambiguous sexual identity; one that combines major aspects of both the male and the female.

Those aspects to me are both external and internal. I think which of those aspects a person decides to take on depends on the individual. So being androgynous can mean a very large array of differences in ppl, but imo you would have to be taking on both gender qualities to really be considered an androgyne.

Hope that helps, and Pica, no hard feelings.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Carl E. Shy on May 30, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
lol,
imo you would have to be taking on both gender qualities to really be considered an androgyne.

That leaves out the neurosis people.
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cynthialee

The idea of Androgyne can cover alot of territory. I think it might be better ussed as a fashion term.
Not to say I do not 'believe' in them, my wife is one.
The main problem I see is that the word can mean diferant things to diferant people.
What is an androgyne? What is a woman, what is a man, what is a genderqueer, what is a what is a what is a........?

Now to me an androgyne is a person who is physicaly and emotionaly and mentaly gendered with some of both of the binary genders traits.
But that definaition is bassed purely on my exposure to Sevan.

I don't think with the curent language in use that your question can be answered.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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noeleena

Hi.
  ya ya i know the math is not right  its not ment to be. how do you explain to others what we are. we are all so different.   like trees  do they look the same no .  theres just so many .  get up close & they are different,

if youv worked on sheep farms then youll know what im saying , can you tell the difference ,
  if we had 1000 sheep  put in front of you , could you pick one out , then put  back in  with the others & you then find it. you may , you may not .  Iv worked with them so i know,

   So we may look similar yet we are not. unless we say some thing about our selfs no one really knows who we are or whats going on inside of us . 
There is no easy way of saying it & i have enough trouble with words ,
    so if i say im a transfemale with a male background yet a andrognous person . does that cover it , it gives people an idear , yet does not say much really does it . because of the mere fact we are so different.
Now the only way  is of cause ,  we sit down in front of each other & spend  a few days talking then we would get to know each other , & even then not know all about each other .

  Like Jos did she really know me , no even after 37 years to gether  the first 24  years she knew a lot yet did not know i was . am part woman . she saw me as a male 100 %  i was not. now & over the last 12 years she knows  what i am ,  bloody hard to say the lest,
   so back to my math do i say 50 / 50, no, because i swing back & forth hence my 60  /  60 

  so if this makes sence, then i hope you see a bit more of who i am,
   im not going to say it all makes sence to me,
   so all i can do is try.

...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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no_id

Quote from: riven1 on May 30, 2010, 10:08:00 PM
That leaves out the neurosis people.
Ah crap, I also have an neurosis now?...  :-\

Just playing riven, I figure you meant neutrois. ;)
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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confused

noeleena , i understand the 60/60 percentage in a way

i've come to a conclusion though , as gloria gaynor once said ," i am what i am , i'm my own special creation"  , i've never liked labeling myself anything anyway.

i've always realized that everyone have their own special definition/prospective of everything . although there's often common traits between some people even if they don't belong to the same 'group' 

so , although i haven't (yet?) given myself a 'type' (and i don't think i will ), but now i know exactly what i want ,basically and simply an androgynous look , get rid of some things that i don't like , so that when someone sees me they think she? then he? , not the other way around ,if that makes sense to someone
as for pronouns , i don't care if i'm referred to as  she , ze , or even it . and although i don't like the 'he' , but it wouldn't bother me much if i have the physical figure/look that i want , and as long as i know exactly who i am.
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Pica Pica

You've said that you are what you are, but what are you? You only said what you wanna look like.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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tswoman

Andro is a person who has not had baby and has not served in military.  ;D
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