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'Normal' hospital stuff, a man in the womens.

Started by Nat, June 16, 2010, 07:05:06 AM

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Cindy

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Nat

 :/ I don't think that is the complete reason. Most hospitals are specialized for certain things, ie; Cancer, cardiovascular or skeletal injuries. They tend to have specific womens hospitals because of maternity and female reproductive system problems. Male reproductive problems are much simpler to diagnose and treat in a 'General' hospital. :/
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kyril

It's more that men are just seen as the "default" way of being. Most medical research is done on men, and most male-specific issues are seen as general and ordinary enough that any doctor ought to be able to handle them. Women (or rather, female-bodied people) are different, unusual, weird creatures who clearly need to be seen by a specialist because normal people (i.e. cis men and boys) don't have those parts.



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Cindy

Quote from: kyril on June 30, 2010, 01:40:53 AM
It's more that men are just seen as the "default" way of being. Most medical research is done on men, and most male-specific issues are seen as general and ordinary enough that any doctor ought to be able to handle them. Women (or rather, female-bodied people) are different, unusual, weird creatures who clearly need to be seen by a specialist because normal people (i.e. cis men and boys) don't have those parts.

It was pointed out to me that women generally live longer than men because they 'have' to go to the Dr more often. Either for contraception, PAPs, or taking children, etc. So they get checked out. Men go to the Dr when they are sick, and sometimes that is too late, their BP, cholesterol, LFT have not been examine for years. Don't know if it's true.
As for medical research you have to have a detailed explanation why there is a gender imbalance in any human research proposal. The only way you will get funded for a gender imbalance is if you are looking at a sexually or gender defined parameter, such as breast or prostate cancer etc.

Cindy
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kyril

Quote from: CindyJames on June 30, 2010, 03:52:18 AM
As for medical research you have to have a detailed explanation why there is a gender imbalance in any human research proposal. The only way you will get funded for a gender imbalance is if you are looking at a sexually or gender defined parameter, such as breast or prostate cancer etc.
That's quite recent and came about as a response to the problem I was referring to (most research being done on men). The problem is that even if the newer research is gender-balanced, there's not really adequate data on the older stuff that makes up the bulk of medical treatment.


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Teknoir

I don't think there's a sexist reason for womens specialists - I think it's just the female anatomy just has more crap that goes wrong more often.

Damn thing is about as reliable as a Lada, and half as endearing. I'd really rather own the Lada.
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Cindy

Quote from: Teknoir on June 30, 2010, 04:14:24 AM
I don't think there's a sexist reason for womens specialists - I think it's just the female anatomy just has more crap that goes wrong more often.

Damn thing is about as reliable as a Lada, and half as endearing. I'd really rather own the Lada.
:laugh:But the Lada lives longer :laugh: Maybe it's; I'm a Ferrari and I want to die before I get old" Apologies to The Who.


Cindy
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Cowboi

Well just to point out my first comment was completely a joke in case anyone didn't follow that. While I don't think there are sexist reasons that we don't have men's hospitals I do think that in the end, regardless of our reasons for not having them, it is sexist.

We can all sit here and say that the female body is more complicated, and there are reproductive issues and maternity issues to justify why there are women's hospitals and not men's hospitals but that is just ridiculous. The fact is there are diseases and conditions that ONLY apply to men, which women will never have and cannot have. Why do they not deserve specialist to work with them on those specific issues?

The fact is most of society still see men as the norm, the people who are (or were) in control, the people who ALREADY have access to everything... so why do they need "special" treatment? (not using the word treatment to mean health treatment by the way) So many people already see things like same sex marriage as special treatment, hate crime laws as special treatment, blah blah. We all know that list goes on and that is isn't really asking for something "special" it is asking to be allowed to become equal.

Today while there are still plenty of things that men have easier access to there are lots of everyday things we never even pay attention to them NOT having access to. Some examples would be child custody in divorce cases, it almost always turns out the mother will have primary care of the children rather or not either parents in unfit. In fact in most cases the father has to go out of his way to prove the mother unfit if he wants custody, but he does not have to be proven to be an unfit parents for the mother go get custody. And I do say this from several cases that I have seen first hand. It is a fact rather we like it or not. Men have a harder time with cases of rape or abuse as well, because most societies see it as unreal or unlikely that a man could be a victim to a woman. While it is LESS likely, it is still very possible and has happened. In fact we have tons of studies and research that shows it probably happens much more than anyone would believe but men don't even come forward about it. And why would they? We all say they are afraid of being less masculine or seen as weak... in the end though what's the point in coming forward when they won't be believed?

I'm not saying men have it horribly, but we often ignore that they are victims of sexism or that they need access to things that we often take for granted that we should be allowed. We assume they have a level of access we don't have. There is very little awareness amongst men of the possible health problems they face, they rarely go to doctors... there is no push against this currently. No big campaign (at least not in my area) to get men to be more active in their health. There is no push for education for men on their health issues in general, but there is a huge push for females to be aware and to get checked. We do push on a few subjects for men, but only one or two, and even then we don't push nearly as hard as we do for women.

So in the end it is something that is sexist about our culture, we just don't recognize it as often because it is hard for us to see and accept that men are also victims of sexism. We tend to reserve that word for women. It may be different in other areas or countries, I wouldn't really know about that obviously so I am speaking mostly about American culture.
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Nat

I lived through my op, It was today. And they think I might be cancer and infected organs FREE!. They seem happy, I am happy. I am RELIEVED.   8)

I have a couple more appointments before I know for sure.

One of the docs was nice and used my preferred name, He held my hand as I fell asleep. The nurses where good with respecting my sexuality differences, and although they never used my name, except the one on the form you have to repeat quietly, they where decent about it all. =]
(Well until I lost my cross and the nurses became cross about that, especially when I found it in my underwear...  :o ???;D

Now I'm going back to sleep and I'm Tired and in Pain. Just wanted to share the GOOD NEWS. "zzz"
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Arch

Good, Nat. Is it fair to say that the worst is probably over?
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Arch

Even if not, you're getting through it! That's always worth celebrating. We have few enough victories as it is.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Cindy

Thanks Nat

That's a relief. I'm glad some of them were professional

Heal quickly

Cindy
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Cowboi

I'm glad to hear everything went so much better than expected :)

We are actually going to a benefit for tomorrow for a friend who has to get surgery next month because of cancer. She doesn't actually have it yet, she has a rare gene that makes her like 98% certain to have breast cancer or ovarian cancer.... or both. Her mother died from cancer and her sister is currently being treated for it. It's good to hear a positive story involving a cancer case, the last couple of weeks have just been filled with sad stories. I hope the next few appointments go well too. Please keep us updated!
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