Transphobia vs Cisgenderism (Cissexism?)

[Nygeel]

I've been trying to figure out the differences are in transphobia and cisgenderism (or is it cissexism!?). Are they just one of the same for the most part?

[Nygeel]

Hmm...alright. So let's say that hypothetically a trans woman with a set binary identity were to say negative things about trans folks that aren't so binary in their identities (Ex: gender queer, androgyne, two spirit) that would be an example of cisgenderism.

[Nygeel]

Oh jeebuz...too many words and confusion. In my hypothetical consider the trans woman more so as being a woman with a trans history...meaning-gosh, I really don't want to phrase this in a way that would be taken as offensive because I know I would be offended by this phrasing-this person has transitioned as much as a person could physically(ex, facial feminization, implants, bottom surgery, hair removal, E...not sure what else there is) legally (name change and gender change on whatever gender can be changed on). Maybe she is experiencing cis-privilage since she is read as cis?

[Nygeel]

Oh jeebuz...the words of Audre Lorde are coming to mind.

[Bones]

I agree with Vexing. I'd call it hypocrisy...no matter how much surgery, hormones we take...we will always and forever be transgendered. I really really hope I never start behaving like this if I ever can go through a complete transition.

[Nygeel]

You'd have to either "attack" me or sign a contract stating that you're consenting to being shot.

It would have to be very official.

[Asfsd4214]

Oh jeebuz...too many words and confusion.

That was my first impression too. Ugh, do we really need so MANY freaken words!

And to think I miss when I could consider sex and gender the same, let alone cisgendertransphobianisms.

[Nygeel]

That was my first impression too. Ugh, do we really need so MANY freaken words!

And to think I miss when I could consider sex and gender the same, let alone cisgendertransphobianisms.

We do need the words and I am very glad that sex and gender are not considered the same.

[no_id]

I usually just stick with the term 'moron' since it can be applied to so many, lovely situations. 

On a serious note, I think Vexing set a good one with 'binarism' although that kind of reaction seems more like a phobia. 'abinaryphobia' is a mouthful though...

[Asfsd4214]

We do need the words and I am very glad that sex and gender are not considered the same.

They (as in the meaning of the words) are considered the same. Just not by most members of the trans community.

I don't know anyone (including my trans friend) who care to differentiate, I only do it here to be polite.

[Rock_chick]

I usually just stick with the term 'moron' since it can be applied to so many, lovely situations. 

Moron is def a word of many situations.

[Nygeel]

They (as in the meaning of the words) are considered the same. Just not by most members of the trans community.

I don't know anyone (including my trans friend) who care to differentiate, I only do it here to be polite.

I disagree and the majority of people I know can tell the difference and actively use them differently.

[Asfsd4214]

I disagree and the majority of people I know can tell the difference and actively use them differently.

Would the majority of people you know happen to be people already heavily involved in LGBT issues or be people you have already preexplained the difference too? 

[Nygeel]

Would the majority of people you know happen to be people already heavily involved in LGBT issues or be people you have already preexplained the difference too? 

Some are heavily involved, some are slightly involved, others are just aware.

[Asfsd4214]

Some are heavily involved, some are slightly involved, others are just aware.

Right, I know the difference is used heavily in most things LGBT, but from what I've seen, the vaaaast majority of people who are not L G B or T... consider them the same.

Personally, when I'm not around anyone who's LGBT, I do too. It just seems like nitpicking to me.

[Nygeel]

Right, I know the difference is used heavily in most things LGBT, but from what I've seen, the vaaaast majority of people who are not L G B or T... consider them the same.

Personally, when I'm not around anyone who's LGBT, I do too. It just seems like nitpicking to me.

Doesn't seem like that to me.

[Asfsd4214]

Whaaaaaaaat?

What? lol

Sorry I just don't put a lot of value in labels and categories. Making more of them isn't being diverse, it's just confusing IMO.

[Asfsd4214]

Gender and sex are very different things.

The words are... to you, I don't make a distinction personally.

Meaning of words is only truely defined by how society uses them at any given time.

As I said, it seems like nitpicking to me to worry about the obscure difference that not everyone even recognises.

[James-Alen]

Gender is in your mind and Sex is in your body. You need both to be homeostatic and emotionally well (a stable mind and body). While different, they play off of one another. trying to segregate them seems pointless.

[Kristyn]

For sure; I definitely think that completely passing, woodworked/stealth people get a healthy dose of cis privilege.

What would some examples of cis privilege be?  Just trying to get a better understanding