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Stopping T after 2 years - any experience?

Started by Fencesitter, July 31, 2010, 01:02:39 AM

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Fencesitter

Hello,

I am new to this forum and it's really a nice place here.

So here is my question: did any of you stop T after 2 years and then what exactly happened in your case, and did that make you have problems passing after a while? (I know what to generally expect when getting off T, that's not my question.)

Plus I wonder if anyone has experience with stopping T when his normal body chemisty produces a lot of testosterone.

I am somewhere between genderqueer and transsexual (FTM/FTGQ). I stopped the T 1 year ago after 2 years just to see what happens physically (no surgery yet). One of the reasons was I wanted to force myself going through physical changes again so that I could see if transitioning was really the right thing for me. I also wanted to see if I would stay physically enough on the male side to feel okay about my body and still pass.

The other reason is I wanted to see if my own special body chemistry produces enough T. As a teenager, I was put on estrogen at age 16 because I produced "too much" testosterone so my shoulders had broadened, chin had become somewhat square, got body hair etc. I did not feel at ease taking female hormones all the years but before I took them, I also had hell of a trouble with my period (like having only a bit of it, but almost all the time). I did not know then that transitioning to male was possible.

Many years later, as my first step to transitioning, I stopped the female hormones for one year before going to see a shrink for hormone therapy. I started growing muscles, having a bit of facial hair, some fat redistribution etc. without doing any sports and was very very happy about the changes. No problems with period whatsoever, thanks God, it just became rare. I smelled like a mixture of male and female. When my voice finally started to drop after 1 year, I made an appointement to get T. Also went to an endocrinologist, who was puzzled about my body chemistry but did not find any intersex condition, only PCOS but other hormone levels were atypical as well (but not in a dangerous way).

The changes were like if I had been on T, but much slower. On T, it went much faster which was what I wanted.

Now I have stopped taking T (Nebido) for one year and some things develop back, others not. Muscles have stayed (still without me doing any sport), body and facial hair grows somewhat slower but all stay, and fat redistributes somewhat back but not as much as I know it from MTF girls after 1 year on female hormones. I smell like a mixture of male and female. Oh, and I got my first period a couple of weeks ago after one year or so. Which was somehow annoying, but did not freak me out as much as I thought it would as it did not make me feel like "->-bleeped-<-, proof that I am a girl" but rather "okay, so I'm a guy having his period. That's freaky, but what the heck."

I wonder where this will end if I still stay off T and I feel somewhat ambiguous about the whole situation. On the one hand, I still pass which is great, and I like that I did not develop that much back and that I do not need artificial hormone intake. Also, I am mediterranean so my beard and body hair has really developed well anyway. On the other hand, I hope the fat redistribution will not go on and am afraid my passing might suffer and/or I would end up looking like a freak.

So has anyone else stopped T, and what's your experience with it?
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Morgan

My therapist, who has been working with transsexual people for 20 years, said that the only problem her patients had ever faced has been when one of them stopped T, they developed osteoporosis. He'd been on T for about two or so years, maybe three. It was so bad that he was refused for a surgery because he was too fragile... So there's something to consider.

As for what traits stay, I'm not sure. I think I saw on some site what ones say, but it was about a year ago so :\ I'm no help.




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sneakersjay

I would think osteoporosis would be preventable with proper calcium ingestion if one still has ovaries; that the risk would be similar to a cis-female.

Once the ovaries are removed then one definitely needs some hormone replacement therapy, whether T or E.

I have had a total hysterectomy and plan to take T forever at this point, since I need some sort of hormones in my system.

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zombiesarepeaceful

If you google Wikipedia Hormone Replacement Therapy there's a really good article that lists specifically what stays and what doesn't (YMMV)

I'm not at all genderqueer but honestly I couldn't imagine going off T. To be taken off T would be like taking who I am and everything I like about myself. I was very paranoid about passing cause of my not male butt and stuff pre-T and it's finally getting to where I'm ok with wearing jeans that fit me, etc. My reasons for not wanting to even pause T, even for a month, is cause I want to pass as completely male...whcih it seems you don't want all the effects of T.
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Fencesitter

Thanks for your advice.

The general articles, I got through them but did not find out what happens if you have high natural testo levels to start with.

I still have my ovaries which produce female hormones plus I still produce a lot of testosterone, no idea where it comes from. So my natural body chemistry seems to be between male and female aw well I know what changes happened before I took female hormones at age 16 (visible on photographies). Not sure about it though, as I only heard two shrinks about that matter - the one telling me I really need to take female hormones in order not to masculinize, the other telling me that if I am trans anyway, it should be okay for me.

I look like a mixture of male and female when naked... well mostly female hardware though the clit has grown to make me look ambiguous... but mostly male software if you know what I mean. When dressed, I pass as a (young) male all the time. As long as this works and my body looks male enough for me, I am okay with it. As soon as passing does not work any more, that would freak me out. Would like to get rid of the breasts, but otherwise it's okay with me as long as I don't look too female.

I want to pass as male but my butt was small to start with, hip bones too narrow to give natural birth anyway according to my gynecoligist (ewww...) and not much fat on them...
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icontact

That guy who was all over the news for being the pregnant man went off T for two years to prepare for pregnancy, Thomas Beattie(?), you could try googling around about that, maybe see if you can contact him?
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Fencesitter

#7
Thank you very much for your advice.

I will not contact Beatty as I think he gets a lot of mail anyway plus he is better to contact for those who want to have a baby. But I have watched a couple of the Cummings videos now and I will definitely contact that gut. I have now seen a current interview with him and he is much slender now, but his passing is still 100% which is great. I can relate to his reasons: that he did not want to put synthetic stuff into his body for the rest of his life for health reasons, and that he did not want to mess around with the body God gave him for more than he actually needed.

In case anyone else is interested, I also found this guy on youtube who went off T after 2 years and back on 1 year later and have also contacted him now:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MeikoEliasXavier#p/u/8/cYAYRiCOHJI
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zombiesarepeaceful

Could you be intersexed? Might want to look into that.

If your body produces naturally high levels of T it doesn't necessarily mean you're trans. Alot of people produce naturally high T levels and aren't trans at all. Due to PCOS, other things. Basically if your T levels are high then you'll probably be hairier, have more male secondary characteristics.
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Fencesitter

Quote from: zombiesarepeaceful on August 02, 2010, 12:11:06 PM
Could you be intersexed? Might want to look into that.

If your body produces naturally high levels of T it doesn't necessarily mean you're trans. Alot of people produce naturally high T levels and aren't trans at all. Due to PCOS, other things. Basically if your T levels are high then you'll probably be hairier, have more male secondary characteristics.

Before I first took T and after being off female hormones for 1 year, lost scalp hair, got body hair, smelled like a mixture of male and female, gained muscles (no sports) and after 1 year voice started dropping and crackling (no cold or angina whatsoever) and I started to get a first beginning of an Adam's apple, you could taste it with your fingers. I am not kidding. I let friends check if they could feel the bump as well and they agreed and they also saw the other changes. It was absolutely awesome.

Intersex? Good question. My endocrinologist checked my chromosomes, made an ultrasound and checked my hormones. Chromosomes: XX, ultrasound: nothing male or ambiguous found inside me and girl stuff complete (no scarring on the belly), genitalia: normal female (no scarring). Urethral opening: much closer to clitoris than normal but that does not make my private parts ambiguous though when I peed it went forward not half forward half down. Hormones: extraordinarily high T levels even for my PCOS syndrome, AGS syndrome test: negative. The endocrinologist did not have a clue where the T levels came from as my symptoms do not match any known intersex conditions and thank God he did not find anything else which could explain it (tumor or whatever). So, well, maybe on a hormonal level...

And I know that a high T level doesn't make anyone trans. But I happen to be also trans and honestly wouldn't ever want to detransition.
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Fencesitter

Quote from: Kvall on August 02, 2010, 01:37:52 PM
Have you or your doctor looked into congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH)?

Oh yes, it was the AGS test (AGS = CAH). Sorry, forgot to translate the acronym into English. The Endo was almost sure before that that was the reason for the T level and was astouned as the test result was negative.
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