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Stop me before I apologize again

Started by Casey, December 01, 2006, 10:25:27 AM

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Casey

As I've mentioned a couple of times before I've got self-esteem issues (if it wasn't zero at one point then the difference was statistically insignificant) and anger issues. I've come a long way but I still have a long way to go. I did something that has thrown me right back into FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt). I'm not used to these situations yet, in fact I still tend to shy away from them to avoid confrontation, so I could really use some feedback.

I was hired to basically program fonts onto printer simms and dimms. In the 8 years I've been here my duties have expanded but what happened this morning centers on that function. One of the presidents (I can't give his full title) handles all the font sales. My department has told him time and time again that if he has a large order he has to tell us or we won't guarantee that it will go out when he wants it to go out. Now, part of the problem is that the relationship between my department and this guy isn't very good. I'm not comfortable with that and I know (for actual fact) that I'm partly to blame for that so I feel bad about the relationship and I'm trying to take (my) responsibility for the situation.

This guy doesn't really listen to us and his actions tell us that he really doesn't care. We feel unappreciated and rather used. That's where the self-esteem and anger come in. I'm torn between feeling like I should just shut up and do the job I was hired for, feeling like I have the obligation to speak up for the good of the company, the feeling that I want to just ignore all the tension (one of my coping skills that I learned early at home), the feeling that I shouldn't be made to feel unappreciated and used, and the feeling that I should smooth everything over between this president and my department. The (de facto? in reality? the company sometimes acts like the org chart is need-to-know only) department head has told me repeatedly that I should ignore requested ship dates, especially if this guy pisses us off, because I nkow what I have to do to do my job effectively, so things go out when they go out. Normally they go out quickly so he feels that right there justifies his stance. And thanks to my self-esteem issues I'm torn between seeing his point, knowing that he goes overboard sometimes, and feeling like a bad employee if I don't get every order out by/on the requested ship date.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I'd consider quitting but my self-esteem won't let me consider that I could get a job commensurate with my skills partly because I'm still learning to value my skills and partly because I'm still learning to value ME. Welcome to my world.

Finally we come to the incident this morning. (Isn't the chirping of the crickets lovely, and I'm only half kidding.) I got an large order with a requested ship date of today to be shipped ground. That will take 4 days to get there so obviously they aren't in a big hurry for it. But I have to hurry up and get it out today. So I went down to that president's office and said "I hope you don't think this is going out today seeing as how I wasn't told about it." True to form he failed to get the point. First he asked if I would have come in early had I known about the order (missed the point), then he said he didn't think I had any other orders to do (missed the point and TOTALLY missed the point that I have other things to do in addition to doing orders), then he said it wasn't the end of the world if it didn't go out today (missed the point and passive-agressively says that he wants it out today and I should try). So I try telling him that the point is he should be considerate and tell me he has a larger order. (I didn't bother to remind him that we've told him this 12,529,774 times since I've been here.) He still acted like he didn't get the point and didn't really care.

So now I feel like I'm nothing here to him. Great, here come all the old messages I'm trying to get rid of. Every time I hear somebody coming down the hall I imagine it's him coming to chew me out. "Who the hell are you to talk like that to me? Just do your job and shut up." He knows I was angry/upset but I didn't yell. My anger issues are telling me that I should have calmly emphasized my point. My anger and self-esteem issues are telling me that a nice person wouldn't have appeared ruffled in the least. I'm half-afraid that the CEO and/or the office manager is going to have a nice little chat with me and scold me for that little incident. Right now I'm torn between feeling three different ways.

1) It's my job. I should just shut up and get it done. Who the hell am I to talk to somebody important like that? And nice people calm down before they talk to other people. Confrontation doesn't mean being annoyed, it means rationally and nicely putting your point across. And play nice. It's your duty to keep the peace between him and your department. Especially if you insist on acting like a child and causing some of this tension. Don't make waves.
2) It's my job and if I want to truly make it of service to this company then I have to speak up when something makes it difficult to do my job, or will make it harder in the future if I ignore it now. I'm right and he's wrong, the twit. How dare he make me feel like a nobody, like I'm nothing?
3) (This might be me compromising or it might be valid.) I shouldn't have said anything. I should have just let it go. I was trying to make things better between that president and me and that's a good thing, but that wasn't the way to do it. (So how else then? Wait until Monday and make some sarcastic remark which only makes things worse and makes me feel bad for acting like that?) I should just let the department head handle things. (But he doesn't seem to do such a good job. Or is that just my perception?)

I should probably add that I have no problem doing the order. It's my job after all. I just hate feeling like a peon and feeling like he just doesn't care. I just wish he'd show me a little courtesy.

So what do you think? Should I have said anything to him? Did I handle this badly or at least not as well as I could have? Like I said I'm not really used to these kinds of experiences yet so I'm not sure how I should be feeling and how to view what I did. I would appreciate any and all comments.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Casey on December 01, 2006, 10:25:27 AM
I should probably add that I have no problem doing the order. It's my job after all. I just hate feeling like a peon and feeling like he just doesn't care. I just wish he'd show me a little courtesy.

So what do you think? Should I have said anything to him? Did I handle this badly or at least not as well as I could have? Like I said I'm not really used to these kinds of experiences yet so I'm not sure how I should be feeling and how to view what I did. I would appreciate any and all comments.

Hi Casey,

  My vote is for "Did I handle this badly or at least not as well as I could have?". I understand how you feel. Much of what you wrote is similar to my own messed up work situation. It just seems that since you could make the order, you could have taken 5 minutes to walk outside to calm a little, and then not even talk to this manager about this specific incident.
   The reason I advocate blowing it off in this instance is that you could make the order. If the request for something you really couldn't do, then the talk would be the next step.

   I'm not knocking your behavior, I just think it might be better to go that way when you are requested to do something that is entirely beyond your control. I know what it is like to have new tasks passed onto me when I am already spread too thin.

   A lot of what you said like :
QuoteAAARRRGGGHHH!!! I'd consider quitting but my self-esteem won't let me consider that I could get a job commensurate with my skills partly because I'm still learning to value my skills and partly because I'm still learning to value ME. Welcome to my world.
is where I'm at too.

   I'm fed up with these bozos (males) who have control, but will not provide resources or allow enough autonomy within our department where we can make decisions that matter. I'd like to get a bunch of like minded people together and start a company to bring in people who are wasted and mistreated by miscreants. I'm not a leader, though, but I'm still trying to work it out.

    I hope things that get better for you.


Rebecca
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LostInTime

Sometimes you have to do a little bit of everything.  I worked for a place where there was an attitude that since IT did not earn them cold, hard cash on the bottom line, they could say and do anything that they wanted.  I took a lot of abuse and we all would complain to the IT director which did little to no good.

So I kept taking the hits until the opportunity came up to really catch them in one of their usual ignoring of directives laid out by the CEO.  It caused a huge storm but was well worth it and I am glad that I was able to get it in before I was gone.
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Casey

I haven't been able to get back online until now. Thank you both for the replies. They both make perfect sense to me. I guess I'm still torn between wanting to keep little things from becoming big things and not becoming a problem myself. The next time this happens (and it will, it will) I have some things to think about.

Rebecca, if you ever get that company started let me know where I can send my resume. Or if you're looking for a new bozo I've got one I'm looking to unload...
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TheBattler

Yep - do not appologize, People need to be considerate and if they are not they need to improve their relationship skills.

At my work I am in a silliar situation - given no say in important decisions when I should have a large say. I am sick of being at the end of a line instead at the middle. I need more of a say so poeple know what is posible. One of the people who works with me has got me off side and I will not appoligise to him - he needs to listen and learn.

I hate my job at the moment - can not wait for xmas.

Alice
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Julie Marie

A guy I used to work with once told me when he leaves this job, no matter if he quits, he's laid off or he's fired, the company and he will be even.  He was hired to do a job for a certain pay.  He did his job, he received the agreed upon pay.  "We're even."

He then said he doesn't understand why employees feel they deserve more.  More wasn't part of the original agreement and if nothing has changed in that agreement where do they come up with the company owes them more? 

What he didn't know was he woke me up.  Plenty of times I had that same feeling, that I was owed more.  And at times it lead to me becoming disgruntled and sometimes quitting.  I've looked back at that and I see how right this guy was and how my attitude made a perfectly good job seem awful.  It was all in my attitude. 

If you do your job and the company pays you for it, nothing else is owed by either side.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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RebeccaFog

   I try to do that now. I do my job and don't expect anything more.  In my case, I wasn't  "expecting more" from the company so much as I expected it of myself. I expected to make a big difference and to contribute my talents, skills, and sense of responsibility toward doing my job well and contributing toward making other peoples' jobs easier by pushing myself to the limit.
   I'm not being paid to do all the extra stuff. I'm just being paid to do my job. There are many others here who came to the same conclusion that I did. They didn't care about money. They just wanted thier extra efforts to amount to something.


Becky
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Casey

Julie, that's true. The problem is this guy ends up putting us behind the eight ball with his cavalier attitude. He'll put in orders and tell the customer they'll ship on a certain date without seeing if it's even possible. When it isn't it makes the department look bad but even worse it makes the company look bad. Then too he has a habit of not understanding that if I get that order out then I don't have time to work on another order that he also wants out.
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