gender expression Vs physical being

[Argent]

It'll be really nice to be refered to as male, but in the end of the day LOOKING like a guy is more important for me. 

[Chamillion]

My body. I don't care what other people think, as long as I'm happy in my existence.

Exactly this.  In fact, I very much enjoyed when I was presenting androgynously and confused people.  I held off transition because I didn't want to be seen as some typical "normal" guy, but the need for a male body was too strong.  Now I am perfectly content to be seen as male, but it will never compare to the satisfaction I get from looking in the mirror and seeing a much more male body.

[AmySmiles]

Body/visual first.  Until I feel more confidence in my appearance, I will be too paranoid to act naturally in public.  I don't like being referred to as a guy, but I'd rather not be seen as obviously trans.

Have to agree with you to some extent though Chamillion   It is kind of fun to be androgynous sometimes.

[confused]

i originally meant it to be like if you had 2 options , one would be having the body perfectly but someway people dont treat you as such or mistake you often . other option is people see you perfectly as who you are but you still have your birth body that bits of it make you disgusted or overburdened .  as almost everyone , obviously both are important , but it's practically impossible to have two values in nature that are perfectly equal . so if you had to chose, thats what i meant

me for some reason i dont care what people think or see me as , although i do care (or wish) that they see me 'right' . however being it unlikely i "trained" myself to not care , or maybe care less..a lot less
besides , i too dont have to deal with people that often and it's usually short impacts so getting rid of somethings is definitely more important to me

[insideontheoutside]

Thank you! "Soul-destroying" is the best expression I've ever heard for this.

I used to think this until I wrapped my mind around a couple key things - one was that it was more important how I saw myself than how other people saw me. I know it's not the same for everyone, but I was in the "soul destroying" thing for awhile and I managed to find a way out of it without actually having to change who I was physically. So it IS possible. I think it's a mind over matter thing really. Anyway, I no longer suffer like I did because no matter what, I know who I am. Of course if some wizard showed up and said he could cast a spell and give me the exact body I always wanted I probably would take him up on it. haha

[confused]

I managed to find a way out of it without actually having to change who I was physically. So it IS possible. I think it's a mind over matter thing really. Anyway, I no longer suffer like I did because no matter what, I know who I am .

thats what really matters ^_^ (was just being discussed in the AG forum)