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Started by Rock_chick, August 23, 2010, 01:05:02 PM

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Rosa

I never thought that women smelled very good, other than if they were wearing some nice perfume.  Like Nicky said, it probably relates to who we are attracted too.  I wonder if it is more of a pheromone thing.
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LynnER

Quote from: alexia elliot on August 26, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
And do we produce female pheromones since being on estrogen and progesterone?

If you ask my best friend the answer is a definite yes. He says I frequently put off very strong pheromones and that it can be frustrating just being around me because of it...  I've also noticed frequent similar reactions from other guys *shrugs*

And yes, some guys smell BAD but others oh so good (melt)
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Arch

I have always used my sense of smell to screen potential mates. I once met a very cool, cute, smart, funny, skinny supernerd and was very hot for him for weeks...until I got close enough to smell him. I wasn't at all interested in him after that. It was like flipping a light switch.

On the other hand, at that same moment in history, I was with a guy who smelled fantastic to me as long as he didn't get too whiff and skip a bath for a few days. It wasn't the healthiest relationship (we had lots in common, but he was a manipulative drama queen), but it suited me at the time.

Women have never smelled good to me. If I could smell them, the closest they ever got was "neutral, not overtly offensive." But after years of trying to be bisexual, I stopped trying and didn't spend much time with women anymore.

Fast forward. Eighteen months on T. I'm gay as a goose and avoid women like the plague. I have no idea how my nose reacts to them now, but I don't plan to get close enough to find out. But men...WTF, I actually smell men MORE.

And not in a good way. The general rule seems to be that if I can smell him, he smells bad. Not neutral, and VERY rarely good. Going to my gay men's discussion group--we often have thirty-five or forty men in the room--is wonderful, but I frequently find myself wanting to sit farther and farther away from the guys on either side. Going to a crowded movie theater is torture; I've actually lost track of a movie at times because I was overwhelmed by the smell. I've never had that problem before. I mean, I have always had a keen nose, have never liked crowds, and have always sought out less crowded theaters, but now it's a matter of necessity.

I have a theory that gay men are able to be so sexually prolific because they don't tend to have this biological screening mechanism. It makes sense. And, based on trans man autobiographies I've read and guys I've talked to, I thought my nose would become less choosy, not more.

But...men stink. Sigh.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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AmySmiles

I never thought I smelled good as a guy, but I had at least 5 different women tell me I smelled amazing... and oddly my sister was one of them.  It must have smelled really good since my one and only ex would wear my shirts when I was at work.  Go figure :-\

Since starting HRT, and even a little beforehand, I've noticed that some guys just smell awful and some don't.  I tend not to get along with the ones that smell bad and sometimes I can't even stand to talk to them because it's so overpowering.  Sadly, I have to deal with a few in that latter category at work on a daily basis.

And I suppose I'm not sure what to make of my current smell.  I usually can't smell myself at all, but for a few days each month it emanates very powerfully from certain areas.  And when it does it smells amazingly good.  I guess I just have to assume it's related to the monthly cycle that is apparently developing.

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Arch

Quote from: Kieri on August 27, 2010, 12:58:58 PM
And I suppose I'm not sure what to make of my current smell.  I usually can't smell myself at all, but for a few days each month it emanates very powerfully from certain areas.  And when it does it smells amazingly good. 

Heh. I like my current body scent, but on a hot day...hoo boy, I wonder what all the women near me are thinking. I worry about it all the time now.

I guess because I'm attracted to other men, my body scent turns me on, especially crotch odor when I'm aware of it. I'm actually not too keen on this phenomenon. I have a hard enough time controlling my sex drive as it is.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Rosa

My mother gave me a hug yesterday and told me I smelled good (I think a first) and asked me what I was wearing; however, when I replied that it was an imitation of Tommy Girl, she found herself with a loss of words and need to quickly depart, lol.  I guess it was to much info for her - but she did ask.  I don't know how I smell without perfume, but with neither T nor E, I presume I must smell rather neutral.
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valyn_faer

I start HRT tomorrow! :D I have never liked the way I've smelled. I recently house sat for a friend for a while and when I got back to my place my bedroom actually didn't smell that bad anymore because it had had time to air out. But after two days of being back, my room smelled again. :(  I've always loved the way women smell and have never liked the way men smell, but I won't fault men for their biology. It's not their fault. The idea of being colder all the time doesn't seem too appealing, though. I just moved to Oregon from Arizona, where I grew up. It's been difficult enough getting used to colder weather. I'm also looking forward to not sweating as much. My pits have always sweat a lot and most deodorants don't work very well. Oddly enough, I sweat even more if I've had more than my usual amount of caffeine. I finally switched to women's deodorants even though they don't work any better just because they smell nicer and because they don't stain my shirts.
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Alainaluvsu

Oddly enough I've always found most men that are attracted to men smell funny, I hate it! Although there are a few men that smell good to me, but none that were into men (that I know of anyways). However for a large part I don't notice man smell unless they just don't bathe, then it's not the man smell, it's just poor hygene.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Arch

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on August 29, 2010, 01:28:04 PM
Oddly enough I've always found most men that are attracted to men smell funny, I hate it!

Before I started HRT, I used to worry that gay men might be chemically different from straight men in some fundamental way. I worried that I would only like the smell of certain straight men and no gay men. Well, I still haven't met a known gay man who smelled particularly good to me, and I've found lots who smell really awful to me. They're clean; it's just that their body chemistry is all wrong.

Of course, I can't smell EVERYbody, so I don't know about all of them. But I wonder what the odds are of my finding a nice guy in an appropriate age range who looks good to me and is compatible enough and who actually finds me attractive. The sniff test is how I find long-term mates. What if they all smell bad to me, even the ones who could have worked out otherwise?

I still worry about this.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Arch on August 29, 2010, 06:49:45 PM
Before I started HRT, I used to worry that gay men might be chemically different from straight men in some fundamental way. I worried that I would only like the smell of certain straight men and no gay men. Well, I still haven't met a known gay man who smelled particularly good to me, and I've found lots who smell really awful to me. They're clean; it's just that their body chemistry is all wrong.

Of course, I can't smell EVERYbody, so I don't know about all of them. But I wonder what the odds are of my finding a nice guy in an appropriate age range who looks good to me and is compatible enough and who actually finds me attractive. The sniff test is how I find long-term mates. What if they all smell bad to me, even the ones who could have worked out otherwise?

I worry about this too, because I do like guys but just not the "openly gay" guys I suppose. What's funny is like I said, I don't smell every guy, just a certain few. Maybe a guy was aroused some way just before walking by me and I smell him. Some guys I smell, smell very very good. Not like a cologne good, but a sexy good. I smell my own clothes and it is similar to what I smell from the guys I like (I don't wear anything scented). But most I don't even smell at all, or just have that metallic musk smell that just makes me gag. However, since I'm pre-HRT, maybe I'm not smelling many guys simply because my own hormone levels are that of a typical male.

I guess what I'm getting at is: that smell may only be detectable if the source person is interested or recently stimulated in some way. Maybe some of the straight guys aren't so straight after all..
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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E

Let me get this straight... HRT increases your sense of smell, *and* lowers your body temperature, *and* decreases sex drive?

...goddammit, I'm starting to pine for HRT now.
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cynthialee

Quote from: E on September 01, 2010, 08:40:53 AM
Let me get this straight... HRT increases your sense of smell, *and* lowers your body temperature, *and* decreases sex drive?
...goddammit, I'm starting to pine for HRT now.
Among many other changes yes, estrogene does all that.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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E

Quote from: cynthialee on September 01, 2010, 08:42:41 AM
Among many other changes yes, estrogene does all that.
That's pretty much a wish list, for me. If it also decreases my sleep requirements, I'd be golden ;D .

It doesn't lessen sleep requirements, does it  ??? ?
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cynthialee

No if anything it will increase your need too sleep in as you are in puberty and your body is changeing.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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E

Quote from: cynthialee on September 01, 2010, 08:55:03 AM
No if anything it will increase your need too sleep in as you are in puberty and your body is changeing.
...I'll take it. Anything to worsen my Wicked Witch of the West impression :D .

Also, now I'm going to go around paranoid about stinking.

Thank you for your help, cynthialee. I appreciate it :) .
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Alainaluvsu

E decreases you body temp? I'm always right around 96 degrees .. I'll become hypothermic, lol!

And E - you don't have to worry about yourself stinkin on E .. you will just smell (cisgendered) guys and how THEY stink.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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E

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on September 01, 2010, 10:12:49 AM
E decreases you body temp? I'm always right around 96 degrees .. I'll become hypothermic, lol!

And E - you don't have to worry about yourself stinkin on E .. you will just smell (cisgendered) guys and how THEY stink.
No, I'm paranoid about stinking *right now*.

"Luckily", I inherited my father's heat intolerance. With estrogen, I'll hopefully get that back down to reasonable levels.
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: E on September 01, 2010, 10:33:26 AM
No, I'm paranoid about stinking *right now*.

"Luckily", I inherited my father's heat intolerance. With estrogen, I'll hopefully get that back down to reasonable levels.

I think the point of the thread has to do with pheromones that men put off. If you aren't compatible with each other, the other guy has a metallic fishy musk smell that is just gross. If you are compatible, he smells um.. *looking for an emoticon that shows me in a daze*  :icon_woowoo: <-- that
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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E

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on September 01, 2010, 11:02:55 AM
I think the point of the thread has to do with pheromones that men put off. If you aren't compatible with each other, the other guy has a metallic fishy musk smell that is just gross. If you are compatible, he smells um.. *looking for an emoticon that shows me in a daze*  :icon_woowoo: <-- that
That's not much better  :o !
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: E on September 01, 2010, 11:14:36 AM
That's not much better  :o !

No, but I think now you are on the same page as the thread .. I hope .. if not maybe I'm wrong! lol
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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