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My story, and a warning to all potential transsexuals

Started by Bluetraveler, September 10, 2010, 02:09:17 AM

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Bluetraveler

Hello, I have almost never posted in this forum, but have been a lurker for a long time. It's been days since I actually wanted to write this post, but couldn't due to being busy and tired. I strongly hope this will be viewed by as many people as possible, as I've noticed that many trans-related forums rarely host stories of people who, during some stage of transition, actually change their minds: regret stories, detransitioners, confused people. Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude I see towards potential transgender people like many in this board and myself, not too long ago, is "if you say and are convinced you are gender x then you ARE gender x, ignore all those who say otherwise or might question you", "if your shrink doesn't agree with you then find a new one who does" and such...only stepping outside of this dangerous narcissistic point of view made me realize that what I had come to label as my "->-bleeped-<-" was nothing more than the sum of my own internalized "patriarchial" belief that female=inferior, subsequent shame of being seen as such and of the shock due to my precocious, unwanted puberty (as well as a fair dose of tomboyishness). A a disclaimer, I do think transsexuality may be a valid condition...but not all transitioned transsexuals are necessarily true transsexuals (as I wouldn't have been had I pursued my foolish mind at the time). I also do not want to attack anyone, merely help those who might find themselves in my same situation: a gender-confused girl who believed herself to really be male and in the end was quite sure of it. And luckily BACKED OFF before irreversible chemical and/or surgical damage was done.

When I was little, I was neither too girly or too boyish: my mom loved dressing me up, and on occasion I did too; I also loved some typical male activities like fighting, videogaming (well, at the time), mountain-biking...at that moment I did not have body dysphoria, though I resented the fact males would be stronger when adults, and my role models were mostly cool male heroes, or, even better, "sworn virgin-type" characters: females in typical male "roles" (often warriors) who never sullied themselved with feminine behaviour. I wanted to beat the males at their own games, for, you see, that was cool...unlike staying in the (toy) kitchen, playing house, you get the picture (I still don't long for those things). I also had a fair share of girl toys, though (anybody remembers Polly Pocket? I had at least 25 of them...), and a bit of a girly side which complemented my tomboyish one. In my little head, the concepts of honor and "masculinity" were closely connected: you could say I grew up with some of the anxieties a little boy might experience, in this regard (be strong! Be cool! Don't cry! Kisses are ewww! Never ask others for help...) One complex in particular scarred my mind: that if a woman were to love, and be loved, by a man, or worse (I didn't fully comprehend sex at age 3, duh), she would lose her honor, she would be inferior because she would be inherently "feminized". This, I believe, is the first nucleus on which my transgender feelings would harbor.
Puberty unfortunately hit me at 10 (I have stopped growing significantly ever since, I'm 5'3), and that, coupled with a sucky metabolism which made me gain weight even though I ate next to nothing, was a big shock: buying my first bra when the other girls jut started having breast buds, menstruating when essentially still a child...and to all of the girls, why me? Of all female classmates, I was definitely the least girly. This unpleasant experience, coupled with new expectations and strange new looks from men, further strengthened the equation female=bad. A true woman, a honorable woman would do all she could to compensate for her natural weaknessess...
With my first crush I had a strange relationship: he was a 12-year-old boy,a karateka in my karate course and also a videogamer. I couldn't admit to myself I liked him, that would have been too feminizing, thus disempowering: he then had to be my role model (which he would also have sorta been, anyway, if I hadn't had that weird complex). We got out of touch as he changed schools and have never really seen him again ever since. At a certain point I had to stop seeing him because I would not stop blushing (pale skin ahoy!).
Middle school was HELL for me: I became a sort of "distant genius", not concerned with gender or sexuality which instead were running rampant in my classmates (I was also in a sort of ghetto town to boot). When I finally gained access to the Internet, I slowly researched things like sexlessness and came across the concept of transsexuality and ->-bleeped-<-, mainly due to the site hosted by Jennifer Diane Reitz, a transsexual woman who I suspect now might have transitioned because, au contraire, she saw men as the ultimate evil. She is NOT to be trusted in these issues: she claims utter scientific validity despite having no credentials and citing no works whatsoever. She also developed a test for unsure, potential MtFs (the COGIATI) which is, to put it gently, a piece of crap which together with her site on transsexuality should be wiped off the earth. I seriously hope no MtF decided to transition based on this "test". But I was young and guillible, and she sounded so dead sure...her site offered a neat explanation for my supposedly strange condition of hating my female body: my brain wasn't female at all! I nurtured the idea for a while, deciding, time after time, it looked sound in my case. Although not still identifying as male, but more in the "twilight zone" of androgyne/neuter, I starte acquiring all the information I could on transsexuality, visiting transsexual boards (I could relate to the FtM complaints about the chest, menstruations, almost everything), and crossressing: this made me realize how too female my body was for my tastes (mainly for the extra weight I had, I store it in a hourglass fashion)...I started having some body dysphoria and admiring the lean, long and muscular bodies of my male classmates. This, in turn, validated my suspicions of TG-ness. All of this happened very slowly, in the span of 2 or 3 years.
It so happened that in the last year of high school I was in a male-only class (we were in a physics-oriented class, very difficult) and I finally noticed how much easier was socializing among males as a sort of "boy", and how much better things would have been had I been born male. I was almost sure I was TG: I gradually stopped wearing even vaguely female clothing, opting for a more androgynous and elegant attire, cut my hair short and dyed it outrageous colors, had my body dysphoria intensified to a point I even felt a phantom penis and was getting male body envy all over! The flat chest, the hipster beard, the hardened skin, everything...(though I could forego baldness eh). I started running like hell to lose weight and finally did it: I was passable as a young, somewhat pretty boy without my long-standing thigh fat. I imagined a full transition in my future, a transition that finally could have given me everything I'd lost being born female: I'd lose my social ankwardness, I'd feel at home with my body and would be a good-looking man (a mostly gay one though), I'd forget the pain female puberty had brought me, I'd be cool...life was about transitioning, or not.
At the same time, horrendous doubts were stalking me in those long night hours, but I brushed them off as more and more people perceived me as a boy, or at least as a "?". That high I got, I realized later, was really shallow, and I myself was extremely shallow and vain in that period. I visited TS forums even more, including this one, for helpful passing tips, topics of TG interest, female body hate rants...
But I was not happy; in fact, the pursuing of masculinity was consuming every single moment of my life. I was like a parasite, pursuing this male fantasy with little regard to anything else, modifying and destroying my female identity one piece at a time, like a snake eating itself. One possibly fatal accident (I and my father risked being run over by his tractor) one day changed that extremely vain, narcissistic perspective, and I started questioning my story and my transgenderedness not as a given as I used to do. I read the story of a detransitioner (now thankfully happy) and saw the extremely sad story of a FtM who clearly did NOT have to transition...and then it hit me. I wasn't TG, I was just a confused, troubled, vain girl who chased a stupid and possibly fatal fantasy. And as I realized that, my body dysphoria vanished and I understood how much pain I had caused to myself and my family.

I'm really glad I realized it before the meeting with my therapist, otherwise I might have had the T shots. I always get cold sweats when I rethink about it. And as I was indeed a lurker here for a long time, there's a person in particular who I'd like to warn about transitioning: Elijah, I don't know you, nor do you know me, but from what I've read of you, of your doubts about your identity...seriously THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Some parts of your story sound eerily similar to mine. To everyone else, I beg you to consider your identity enough before jumping to irreparable conclusions. I was 99,9% sure of my transness, but mine wasn't a birth defect...it was a psychological complex.

Good luck to all of you, and thanks for reading


 
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Silver

I read all that and really, it's too bad that it happened to you. I don't doubt my own male identity but I wish you luck with the rest of your life.

Also, anyone else, this is a great thing to consider if, for some reason, you haven't already. Transitioning while not actually being TS would make you a TS. . . And well, being TS kind of sucks.
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Fencesitter

Wow!

Thank you very much for your report. It is very very useful and important to read stories of detransitioners or people who stopped before it got too late, and there's just not enough reports on that. This thread should be pinned as "important", and I'd like to read other warnings. It is amazing how much what was the case with you mimicked transsexuality. And you're right, in our community, we often tend to push people towards transition and to not listen to their own doubts.

I hope you are okay now and wish you the best for the future. You had luck to get get away from it without testo shots.

Yes, the COGIATI website is very weird, I read it and was like - WTF?

Did you contact Elijah by PM? I don't know if he will read your posting otherwise.
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Bluetraveler

Thanks for your replies, both of you. I don't know how to send a PM, though-I'm new to writing in this forum. Anyway, my life's a lot better now that the "gender fog" I had for so many years has vanished. I wish my story could help confused people, at least.
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Fencesitter

I've just written a PM to Elijah with a link to this thread.
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Meepit

May I ask what you're up to now? As in, are you completely and confidently assured of yourself, are you seeing a therapist, or have you figured everything out yourself? I find this interesting because I do go through my phases of doubts, but I think that's just my impatience talking  ::). Also, how do you identify yourself in a sense? Not a label per se, but after coming out of your "gender fog" how do you see yourself now? Overall, an interesting and detailed account thanks for that.
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Bluetraveler

I was seeing a therapist because of GID (or better put, what I thought was GID...) related depression, but after I figured my gender problems on my own I'm just hearing him on the phone lately because my depression's almost vanished. It's amazing how many wonderful things life can give, and how much happiness you can give to others, after you realize your problems were just nothing, just mental fog...others aren't as lucky as I am. As now, I see myself as a female with a definite tomboyish (and nerdy) streak: I present more or less in the same way as before (I never dressed too femmy anyway  ;D ) and even enjoy crossdressing knowing it' s only a game... the difference is that now I know I'm female, and that makes all the difference in the world. Hope this clarifies your question.
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Nicky

Shrug. 

A good reason why people need to think deeply about this. It is not a decision to make lightly.

It sounds like you are gender queer though. This is the problem with society and it's little boxes, we try to force ourselves into others because we don't quite fit the mold. Transexuals are no different. some of us buy into this whole idea of a true transexual which is really a load of bull->-bleeped-<- "If I was like this then I would do that, you don't have this therefore you are not a transexual" kind of deal. I still am surprised at how many trans people freak out because they are attracted to the same sex. The truth is we all need to find out own path. This applies to everyone, not just trans people.

Actually the reported satisfaction level in transitioners is very high, particularly those who get surgery. For the majority it is the right choice I don't doubt. The long road to get there tends to weed out those for whom it is the wrong choice. And for those that it is the wrong choice, I would suggest that if it was not this is would be something else. Some people are just lost creatures and it seems their fate to work themselves into a bad spot. I'm glad you got out of yours and hope you are happy. 

Just don't make it your crusade to dissuade anyone else. Your experience is your own. We have enough confusions as it is to deal with, and none of us are professionals in this. Neither you nor I are qualified to tell people who they are. I guess the true moral of your story is everyone should take care to analyse themselves, question where they are, it is healthy.

I'm sorry that your experience was not so good. The majority of us go through periods of confusion with good reason. A good therapist will help you work out what is actually right for you, if there is any doubt they are not going to prescribe you hormones. Unfortunately they are not always good and that is a real shame.  But I think the number of people that get it wrong is incredibly low compared to those that get it right once the decision is made to transition. some people are so determined to self destruct they will find a way regardless of what people say.

I am so glad my gender fog has gone too! The fog of war lol
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Meepit

Crystal clear answer  :). Well I'm glad you sorted stuff out before diving right in. Were you masculine/tomboyish your entire life? And was the only big turning point for you your near-death experience? I can identify with a lot in your story though I don't want to wait for a near-death experience to realize I MIGHT be doing the wrong thing  :o.
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Bluetraveler

To Nicky: I don't want to deny the validity of transsexuality, my uncle (aunt?) is a very likely candidate (details are murky but he tried castration and wanted to be called the female version of his name when little?). I'm not genderqueer though, unless you use an extremely loose definition that a somewhat masculine (and 100% nerd) girl could fit. I don't want to alter my sexual characteristics anymore, I'm perfectly happy with them now that I figured out the root of my dysphoria (I have a happy trail most males would envy but I don't care. It's just there.). I think the biggest problem with transsexual treatment is the focus on surgery, which is irreversible and in some cases gives poor results and complications. I'm not on a crusade to conquer anything, I just wanted to share my story since it might help confused people like I was and "failure" stories are so uncommon yet important. 

Meepit: I've never been a girly-girl, not an extreme tomboy either, but if I had to balance the two the tomboy side would definitely win. Most of the things I like are considered unisex, not that this has to do a lot with gender though. I'm also used, even more confortable actually, working in male-dominated spaces (like the physics department  ;D). My near-death experience was fundamental, but it did not appear out of the blue, it was the end of a long descent into depression that I'm finally getting over; I questioned myself daily, but always brushed it off. From what you say, I'd wait and think... 
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Flan

Quote from: Nicky on September 10, 2010, 03:38:26 AM
Just don't make it your crusade to dissuade anyone else. Your experience is your own.

+1
yeah it's a bit too easy for a support site to go rawr rawr and chant "go all the way!", but the real message is everyone sees their gender differently, and what works (medical transition) for one person may not be the good for another.

and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Nicky

Yeah, I meant it in a loose sense, no offense.

I think in reality everyone is at least a little gender queer.

I love hunting and brick laying and fixing my car and playing dungeons and dragons, and computer games and science fiction and fantasy, and I am a lesbian. I'm a little gender queer myself.   ;)

Yup, I think you are right, and a lot of us trans people are obsessed with surgery and there is a surprising amount of intolerance within the trans community towards those that decide they don't need surgery. We do it to ourselves unfortunately, that is one of the most tragic things I think. But of course a lot of us really really need it.

It is a really valuable story with a valuable lesson. Thank you for sharing it!

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Bluetraveler

Flan: Yes, but since medical transition is a costly, mostly irreversible and socially dangerous (at least where I live) thing to go with, if you could spare it, especially when there's no need whatsoever (ie: my own case), as well as being potentially life-wrecking if you're not really TS (my case again), I would...If someone really wants to transition, their choice, although, as it is a life-changing one, they can't expect it not to be questioned by anyone.

And Nicki: thanks
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Miniar

I do agree with you on one rather obvious point.
We should examine our doubts, not brush them off.
We should introspect and be certain of why we want to do this.
And rushing in doesn't help anyone.

Well, I have done all these, over a number of years.
I've done everything "but" transition before making that step.

And what doubts I feel are ones tied to fear of losing my daughter, friends, or family or causing my husband to lose anything on account of being in a gay relationship.
Things like that.
And ofcourse the obvious "I don't want to be in pain" that ties into surgery fears.
Then I look in the mirror, see my chest, and I feel myself almost in tears, over how badly I feel the need to correct it, how wrong it feels.
I feel humiliated just to know they're there.
That's not because I dislike breasts, it's because they don't go "there".

I was raised in a home where all the children had the same rights and responsibilities, be they boys or girls. Where there was no pressure to play with girl-toys or boy-toys. Me and my sisters had a big set of metal straps and things, don't remember what they're called, but I'd build complicated, mechanized things, with my sisters, and no one found our boyish games odd. They didn't grow up to want a male body like me, even if our childhoods were quite similar.
We were all taught we could do whatever we wanted. If we wanted to be doctors, we could. If we wanted to be lawyers, we could. None of the whole men's-jobs or women's jobs. My brother was encouraged to take cooking classes as a part of his school cause he liked to cook. He frequently bakes and such. My sister was encouraged to take business classes, cause she had interest in such.

Heck, more I examine my life, I have a greater reason to think of men as weak than the alternative.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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sneakersjay

A good gender therapist is a must.  They don't hand out hormone letters like candy, nor do they just smile and nod at your own self-diagnosis.  I was actually hoping my therapists (yes, plural) would say I wasn't trans, as yes, transition is no easy task.

On the flip side, now fully transitioned, I feel like myself for the first time in my life, my social anxiety is gone, as is the body dysphoria.  As I sat in a jonny gown at my doctor's office yesterday, for the first time I didn't feel vulnerable and exposed.  And it was a great feeling, one that confirmed that transition was the right choice for me.

Nobody on this site pushes others to transition.  In fact, most of us tell people to take their time making that intensely personal decision, to be sure it is right for them.

Thank you for sharing your experience, as it may help others.


Jay


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Raven

Thank you for sharing your story. This was honestly the first detranstion story I have read. I identify as male, but still I find myself questioning myself as I have a little girl of my own. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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M.Grimm

Bluetraveler, thank you for sharing your experiences. I agree that it is vitally important that people be very sure before they take the steps to transition, with regards to the irreversible steps. I think there are many cases where someone merely feels caged by societies definitions of "man" and "woman"; but of course, the social concept of 'gender' is a construct, and when we don't fit into those strictly defined categories it makes us wonder about our own identities.

I know that for me it took considerable therapy for me to even ADMIT to being trans, because I had denied and repressed it for so many years. Being able to transition has made me finally connect with my body and want to live for the first time since I was 14 years old. Being in the wrong body was unending misery. That is why I think it is important for people to be SURE. Knowing how awful it is to be caged that way, I cannot imagine how terrible it would be for someone to inadvertently trap themselves.
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emil

just wanted to add that a good gender therapist would have brought these things to the surface and would not have put you on T without a revision of your mental constructions of "male" and "female".....thus i think it's not a bad idea for people to read your story, but the big "warning" you're giving about people sliding into physical changes and live-threatening dangers seems a little big. i think that's what therapists are there for....help us find our OWN way through our personal jungle
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Inkwe Mupkins

You are very right. I think alot of people rush into transition. Some people don't even live as there preffered gender before starting out on hormones. Some may live as there preffered gender for only 2 years and then rush into surgery and hormones.

I've been living as male for 7 1/2 years and I'm hopefully going to begin hormones next week. I think there should be at least a 4 year requirement of living full time as the opposite gender before acquiring hormones and 5 years for surgery. When I mean living full time I dont mean that you use the mens bathroom cause not everyone passes.
But if you are dressing in frilly little dresses then maybe you should hold off on hormones and definitley surgery.

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emil

QuoteI think there should be at least a 4 year requirement of living full time as the opposite gender before acquiring hormones and 5 years for surgery.
a ten year wait sure separates the men from the boys  ::)  i have known i was ftm since i was five years old, and many people feel the same way. a lot of people just didn't have the guts/financial means to start therapy but they certainly didn't wake up one morning and decide to see a gender therapist for TS. i think WHEN someone is found out to be TS beyond resonable doubt, they should not be forced to spend all the younger years of their lives in desolation.
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