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Started by Maddi, September 16, 2010, 06:40:24 PM

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Maddi

Hey all! Since coming out to my wife, who is ok with it but has some issues with it and trying to adapt, I have seriously been considering one day getting the full surgery and doing hormones. I am still trying to decide if this is the path I want, so I had a broad question.

I would start with hormones first and I want to make sure these facts are correct with your alls experience:

~Body hair will change overtime.
~Fat will distribute differently.
~My penis and testicle will shrink and my swimmers won't be potent.
~Breasts, nipples, and areolas will form over a period of several years.


Now 2nd part of the question is this: How much does the penis and testicles shrink? (This my be TMI but have to ask lol) I am 9 and 1/2 inches long and 2 1/2 inch diameter, would I still be well endowed as a male or would it get very tiny? Will it effect getting an erection at all?

3rd and final part is what are things I should consider and think upon that I haven't listed? Some of you are starting it or have been doing it for a good amount of time. Any views of your experience, words of wisdom, etc would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading this super long post,

~Jess
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Stephanie

Hormones and surgery won't turn you into a woman, you are either a woman right now or you are not.  If you don't have a female mind then after hormones and surgery you will be neither a man nor a woman just someone with breasts and no penis.    I have no idea what size my penis is, all I know is that it is small, the tininess of it is one of the few things about my body that I like.
I am sorry if the above seems rude but I have been reading an online article about transsexuality and it has really blown my mind.  I have been unable to think of little else since Saturday so powerful was this series of articles.   The author of these articles writes that if you think growing breasts will make you a woman they won't, and if you think that you will spend all your spare time fondling your breasts, you won't as oestrogen will have feminised your brain, you will view breasts as genetic women do as something they have a love/hate relationship, not something for fondling.   On oestrogen etc you will cry more, suddenly realise why your wife and other women love romantic books, films, tv shows - you will start to love them to.   Your sex drive will drop like a stone so your large penis won't see much use.





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Nicky

Well, I like fondling mine! It feels good!  :)

Perhaps your article did not take account of lesbian women or british women? British girls seem to love boobs.

Ok so,

Yes, body hair will probably reduce,
Yup, fat will likely redistribute.
In my experience, I have only been on hormones 8 months or so, I have had no shrinkage, but I have breasts, and my nipples and areolas have gotten bigger. Some trans girls get no growth at all.

I don't get involuntary errections anymore, and I stuggle to maintain one, not that I have tried a lot. I probably could not keep it up enough for intercourse even if I desired it. But then I don't use it now. And it hurts to get an errection, a little painful because of lack of use. You might need viagra, or think about changing the way you approach sex.

Yeah so it will affect your ability to get errect and your libido will change. (although some women get the opposite interestingly, but it is rarer). But my sex drive is as high as ever, it just feels totally different to my male sex drive. It is a more subtle thing and I want different things out of sex. That takes some adjusting. For me it is less about getting my rocks off and more about connecting with my lover. And connect we do!

Yup, you will likely end up sterile. There is some debate about whether it is permenant, but it is a bit of a moot point as hormone therapy is likely to be a life time thing.

I don't cry much more than I did before, and I am not fond at all of mills and boon style romances. So I think Stephs articles should be taken with a grain of salt. It is kind of cleche to say but results will vary. Some of it depends on what kind of woman you are. But hormones are likely to affect your personality.

Jeez, tucking must suck with a monster like that!! :o poor girl  :( Hugs!



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Stephanie

The author of these articles believes the following:

You Shouldn't Transition If...

You shouldn't transition if you are a crossdresser, ->-bleeped-<-, or drag queen... if you have pictures of yourself on the net that are sexual in nature or of you in a hotel room... if female clothing turns you on... if you go to meetings at a crossdresser club, a transsexual club, or a gay rights group... if you are "out and proud" (lesbians don't count)... if you took a bastardization of a male name for your female name...if you took something like "Luvs" or "Aphrodite" or some other overly-feminine, ridiculous, childish word or name as part or all of your new name... if you hang out in drag bars... if your friends hang out in drag bars... if you have a "drag mother"... if you go out in 6" heels and mini skirts... if you own 6" heels and mini skirts... if you do not own a pair of jeans and sneakers... if you penetrate men in the anus during sexual intercourse... if you "dress up" to masturbate... if you can't have sex naked... if you think playing with your breasts after they grow would be "cool"... if you want to be a porn star or an escort after you transition... if you can't visit with every single one of your co-workers, friends, family, children, parents, or anyone else on the planet for that matter, afterwards... if you still own a single item of male clothing... if you display photos of the "old" you... if you still have a single piece of your male life intact... if you still go out as a male for any reason now... if you do not plan on, are working towards, or already have tried to get GRS... if you do not have a plan that will see you through to stealth and beyond... if you think your voice doesn't need work... if you consider yourself a "transgender", "gender <not allowed>", or label yourself as anything other than a woman... if you describe yourself as "sexually confused", a "freak", or un-definable... if you plan on being a transsexual rather than a woman... if you want to keep your penis... if you think it will be easy... if you start a fight when you get clocked... if you haven't seen a psychiatrist, a doctor, and a lawyer yet... if you get your hormones without a legitimate prescription while under a doctors care... if you want more out of the transition than what any other woman out there has now... if you think transitioning will make you happy... if you want to become a transsexual, or, if you want to become a woman.

Women are born, they are not created.
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JessicaR

WOW! And I thought I was a radical!

   I think there's lots of truth in the above posts... Although I think that some of us get a bit testy when it comes to comparing "real" Transsexuals with "wannabees."

   Transition is suicide without death. In transition, we are letting the male that we portrayed die emotionally, socially and biologically to let the woman that we've always been live. Transition is NOT crossdressing full-time; It's giving up all those things you did to try and ease the pain and starting a new life.

   If you aren't ready to give up everything male about you, including the size and functionality of your genitals, transition is NOT for you.  The physical changes hormones and antiandrogens bring about are dramatic, the emotional and psychological changes profound. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but don't expect your marriage to survive. She married who she thought was a man; It's unreasonable to expect her to stay married to a woman unless she's Bi or Gay.

   HRT is absolutely miraculous! .......for a woman.  Just don't expect it to make you happy if you're a man who wants to look like a woman. There's a huge difference.


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Nicky

Well, I disagree that you need to be prepared to give up everything male. I don't have a problem with non-op tans women. They are as woman as anyone else. But if you want hormones you have to expect your guys bits to stop working.

According to that article I should not transition because:
I feel sexy in hot clothing
My female name is a female version of Nicholas
I like to go to drag bars, I think drag queens are fun!
I own 6" heels and mini skirts - heck I have good legs!
I don't have sex totally naked because I don't like having my penis out.
I own some of my old male clothing and still wear them
I have old photos of me about, I love to reflect on how far I have come, and they are still part of my life
I'm not stealth and don't plan to be
I'm transgendered, trans girl, gender queer, transexual and woman. They are not mutually exclusive things.
Why would I see a psychiatirst? My mind is fine. And why a lawyer?
Transitioning has stopped me feeling so sad.



Jeez, that is a lot of strikes lol
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Stephanie

PM me if you would like to read what this person has to say, i'll  give you the link.




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Nicky

I think the thing is, aside from internal identity, the trappings of womanhood are all created.

Does not matter what I wear, or how I act, or what I do, or who I mingle with, I am still a woman.

So I think identity wise I was created, but, there is a big chunk of me that is a product of my society and my upbringing and my own thoughts. We really don't need any more 'rules' like the article writer has constructed. All it does is cause pain and confusion.

Ok so you are trans, and you feel strongly you are a woman, but you decide you are going to keep your penis. Where does that leave you? You are clearly not a man. You have nowhere to go, If the article writer is right then you are denied the recognition you crave. You get put in an awful grey zone where you either conform or be forever outcast. It just causes heart ache and fear and confusion "omg I am not trans enough, I am going to deny myself transition because I still wear some male clothing, oh damn I want to be openly a transexual woman which means I can't be a woman at all."  Silly.

If you want to be stealth and hide your past, go for it, just don't impose that as a condition of womanhood on anyone else.
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Stephanie

'  You act one way around your family, you act another way around your friends, co-workers, and the strangers you meet on a daily basis, and you act another way when you are alone, don't you? Well, so does your wife. If you expect her to go along with this forever, you are an idiot. First of all, what she is going along with was a seed once.... now it is a large tree. One day, it will continue to grow into a tall oak. And she knows this. Maybe you, she, or both of you are in denial, but that does not last forever. It gives way to anger, pain, accusations, suffering, confrontation, and the deal.

The deal never works out... you have had a taste of it, what it is like out there, what it is like to be like, dress like, and have sex like a woman. But you have made a deal... you will stop or curb it, and she will be happy. Okay. Whatever. You cannot stop, and she will never be happy. I have no advice for you when it comes to your significant other. All I can tell you is that what you feel now always has and always will continue to become stronger over time, and that she eventually will not put up with it. Fool yourself, but do not fool me. Just remember I told you so.

But let's say your bell goes off... well, I will let the statistics speak for me. About 75% of marriages can withstand an affair, the odds seriously decrease when the one partner cheats with the same sex. But one out of a thousand or so marriages can withstand a transsexual partner--if that. I have seen them on television but I have never known one personally or heard about one from a friend who knew a friend type thing. It is unheard of, except on the Discovery Channel specials about the transgendered, and almost always involving people who have hit the age of retirement. Why retirement? Simple... At age 60 or 70 or so, what do they care? Sex is pretty much out of the question, perhaps no longer a part of their lives, but the relationship still exists. Who wants to start over, dating at age 65 and going on the hunt for the person who will see them through death? Parents are no longer alive, the question of work is mute, and no one really cares about a 70 year old man in a dress. But can it happen to you at age 40 or so? Sure, and you can win the lottery too. But be prepared for a miserable, dramatic, and heart-wrenching time dealing with this when it comes to your wife. And then, there is your family too. See, here is what you can expect when you tell your family... to your wife, your children, your mother and father, sister and brothers. It is treated exactly like a death, they all go through all the same emotional steps: surprise, shock, denial, anger, acceptance. At first, they will be stunned, and want to know if you have gone crazy. They will plan an intervention and make excuses for you, treat you as if you went insane, but you have finally convinced them... nope, I need to live the rest of my life as a woman. Then they become angry. They accuse you of misleading them, lying to them, and they become violently angry towards you. They ask questions like, "How could you do this to me?" and "What am I gonna tell my family/friends?" Ironic... They want to know how something you were born with is responsible to their happiness. Answer that one!

But the anger phase can often last forever. You will most likely never hear from any family ever again, that is just the odds at work. Why? Read a book or two. I can tell you but I would need a book or two, and you don't really want to know all that, do you? And what about your children? Well, I can throw more statistics at you if you like. Most children of a transsexual find out when they are teenagers. If they are going through puberty at age 14-17 or so, they never understand, fall into depression, blame you, nd hate you for "doing this to them". And think about it; how can you blame them? Here they are, going through puberty themselves, just now finding out and struggling with their own sexuality, sexual identity and feelings, and here you come telling them that their Dad is really a woman. You will hear from them again when they are about age 30, after they become parents themselves and want their own children to know their "grandmother" before she dies. You typically will be in your sixties, long past the glory days of satin corsets and spike heeled patent leather pumps. Children who find out beyond puberty, as young adults (18-24 or so) usually come around in about five years, they get over it quicker because they are in a better position mentally and sexually to deal with it to start with. The danger is hitting them during the sexually formative teen years when they are just learning the truth about their own sexuality... then, you throw them this curveball... their father is a woman. Ouch.

And then there are your friends. The friend thing is funny, but quite understandable in the end. You will lose all of them when you transition, just accept that. And think about it for a minute before you hit me. Yes, your friends are your friends. You became friends with them because you bonded and you bonded over things you have in common. Now, tell your beer buddies, your softball buddies, your hunting and fishing buddies, and your co-workers, that you are a woman. See what they do! Most simply freak out... They wonder, "Why was he interested in me? Was it a sex thing?"—and then they freak more. You will never hear from 90% of them again. The other 10% will stick around for the "curious" factor... they want to see you as a woman, see how you act, see how you look... they are just curious, and they will behave well at first, just like old times. They may even go out with you, to clubs, dinner, to see a band or have a drink... but eventually, nothing is the same.

If you think that you will transition and still be the same person, you have no idea of what you are doing. Go back to Start, rethink, and begin again. You are transitioning because you ARE different, and this is what makes all the difference to your friendships! What drew you together, what kept you together, is gone now. If you think you will still hunt and fish and play ball and chase women together, you are wrong... Talk to me a few months after you get on hormones and start wearing a skirt every day. You may still do these things from time to time, but they are no longer a way of life, a life you shared with other people. The bond is broken, and the friendship will dissolve, given time.

Some friends try their best. They go through the same sense of loss and ask the same questions and get just as angry as your wife, children, and family did. Then they come around, thinking to themselves, "Jeez, he lives as a woman but he is still the same person inside". True, sort of. But the mechanics and the dynamics of the relationship change, permanently and drastically. All T-girls experience it. A few friends stick around, out of curiosity and love, but eventually, one by one, they fade away too. It is inevitable, just realize it now, accept it, enjoy it while it lasts, and move on with your life.

But let's put things in a true perspective here. You see, when we all start out, we do in fact think stupid things like "my friends, family, and children, even the world, should understand! I am the same!" Hey, Sparky, no you're not.

If you are a real transsexual, you were born a woman. All you did after the childhood beatings and ridicule was designed to cover up the truth through exaggeration. You learned to become a man, to project the image of a man to the world. You were not though. It was, in fact, all a lie. Many of us do not fully understand this until well after we transition, but the truth is that they cannot possibly stick around afterwards, most of them, anyway. You are different, you did lie to them, it was all fake, you are a mystery to them, and you are a different person than the one they knew! Like idiots, we transition and expect them to understand. No, they won't understand. They will be confused, angry, sad, and sometimes furious with you. Sometimes a single lie can destroy a relationship... think about what 40+ years of lies will do to them... '

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Nicky

Gosh, the person sounds real bitter. Such a bleak view.

But it is good to be aware that all this is a possibility.

I think if you need to transition you will face all that and more if you have to. It is good to think about such things and be prepared in a way.

I still have all my friends and we are closer than ever, they get me now. My family still loves and supports me. Me and my wife seperated which was sad, but it was for the most part amicable in the end. So nothing is certain.

I agree though, we don't stay the same. We change. often in ways we don't even realise.

And it is funny, I thought to myself, I will still hunt and build stuff, and fix my car. I still like those things, I love being in the outdoors, but now I feel like "I would much rather go shopping than hunting today, and really I don't want to break my nails fixing the car today, and jeez that lawn mower has become really heavy, I'll see if dad could do the lawn...."

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long.897

That's horrifyingly pessimistic.  You'll lose ALL of your friends ALL of your family GURANTEED?  I don't think so.  It's as if the poster has a secret problem with trans, and is trying their hardest to persuade anyone from going through with it.  Are they well known at all, maybe as a disgruntled activist?
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long.897

I found the book you posted the excerpt from and I'm reading through it, and I just have to say that the writer is incredibly ill-informed.  I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I AM a biology student, and I can say that the author is unequivocally wrong about some simple facts of biology.   

She also writes as if cheating on a spouse with men is an essential part of the process.  I think she's looked at her own life, and assumed that everything she experienced is everything that everyone experiences.  I'm relatively uninformed on the whole T community, but everything that I've read seems to fly in the face of what she's written. 

"But as time goes by, your secret female life grows. While out, you meet others like you, and you are encouraged. And you begin having more sex behind her back. You are out, dressed in drag, going to bars, having sex, and acting like a woman, and your wife, who married a man, is home relaxing, reading a good book or watching a movie, patiently waiting for her "man" to come home from the gay bars. Right. This will have a happy ending."
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pebbles

I'm sure You know you don't have to sleep with anyone to prove that your becoming a woman.

Quote from: JessicaG on September 16, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
~Body hair will change overtime.
~Fat will distribute differently.
~My penis and testicle will shrink and my swimmers won't be potent.
~Breasts, nipples, and areolas will form over a period of several years.

ALL of your sperms will rapidly become extinct this is certain. The shrinkage is noticeable but not extreme (I'd guess about 20%) although YMMV.
Other changes LOTS *Gets out notebook from her first 5 months of changes*

- Sex drive loss
- Changes in body odur
- Changes in the shape of your eyeball and eye pain
- Nipple sensitivity
- Decrease in speed of body hair growth and thickness.
- Less grease
- Prominence of the penile Raphe (a groove that runs down your penis to your anus)
- Significant Changes in taste
- Significant Changes in smell and sensation
- Breast bud development
- Skin softening
- dryer eyes (temporary)
- Lactation (Temporary)
- Freckles
- Loss of strength (Upper body 2/3rds loss lower body 1/2)
- Blushing reflex increases.
- decease of sweating
- Increased urination
- Lower metabolism. (about 15% based on my O2 uptake)
- No dandruff
- Bruising
- Chubby cheeks and other changes.
- General feeling of mellowness and lack of competitive desire.
- Crying is easier
- Sensations of nausea (Transitory)
- Loss of fat from midsection
- Addition of abdominal fat.

that's all I've got right now. Of course your personal reactions will be different. This is merely a recollection of what affects were on me.

My friends were very accepting as was my sister, my parents weren't happy and still angst at me or are in denial but they didn't throw me away and disown me.
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Nicky

It is cool that you mentioned freckles. i noticed today that my moles seem to all be darker. I have more than I thought I had!

Perhaps I am not imagining it  ???
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justmeinoz

I can't help but think the author referred to is just one more example of how we are all different in our path to transition.  They definitely sound angry and bitter.  My experiences were in many ways the opposite from hers. 

Freckles, Nicky? Maybe mine will all join up and I won't look like a cave fish with brown spots!
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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K8

My understanding is that the testicles will shrink over time - years - but that there usually will be little shrinkage of the penis.  Erections can be difficult to impossible, but the flaccid member stays about the same size.

I started very late.  My breasts are growing, but the areoles are close to the same size.  I don't expect to get very big naturally – I've already caught up to my sister.

About three days after I started hormones, I said to myself: So this is how I'm supposed to feel.  It was wonderful.  But I would think that hormones wouldn't feel right if you are TV/CD, etc.  They do have an effect on how you feel and think.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Rock_chick

I think i disagree entirely with everything the author of those articles, she seems to be incredibly pessimistic in her out look...she also seems to have a certain amount of elitism inherent in her writing. I've only had one friend treat me differently and I'll be honest we weren't that close to start with so the fact she doesn't seem to want to talk to me is of little matter.

The only truth in transitioning is that everyone does it differently and what works for me might not work for you. Don't take what you read on the web too seriously, the spider is a notorious liar and do what feels right to you. Like Kate, 3 days after starting hormones my only thought was how normal and settled I felt...as apposed the the hyperactive mess who was constantly on guard that I was before.
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Maddi

Wow, there is so much in reply #3 that I disagree with, but  everyone has there own drum beat.


I haven't consulted a doctor or a therapist yet, I am not even 100% if I will choose to do HRT or SRS. I am just trying to make sure I have all the right information to make a good decision.

To elaborate a bit more when it comes to my penis, at this moment I want it to work. Why? Because I am very sexual and thats how I get my orgasm ;D.  If I was to start hormones then it wouldn't bother me of it didn't work because I would be taking that step. I don't dislike my penis, but if I could get a vagina instead then the poor guy is gone.  I want to trasistion as far as I can, yet still remain comfortable and happy. Basically, I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. I am sure I am not alone in wishing I could snap my fingers and have a natural fully functioning woman's body.

Thanks for all the great replies, very very helpful. Learned stuff that I hadn't found yet. I look forward to more replies and experiences.
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sarahm

My best advice is, only transition if it is your last resort. Some people transition as a first or second option, but sadly, those people are most likely to de-transition because they believed that it wouldn't be as hard as it is. For me, Transitioning was my last resort when I knew I could no longer live as male. It was hormones or suicide. Lost my job, so it was a now or never situation. And I don't regret it in the slightest. If anything, transitioning as a last option for me, helped me get all the way through to passing 110% and actually living my life happily now. I have so much respect for those who manage to transition and still be sane.

So don't rush into things, only transition if it is an absolute must, otherwise you will have a higher risk of not succeeding. If your life before transition was alright, good or happy, then generally you will be very likely to de-transition once you get over the initial rush of, "Oh My God I actually pass!" (I'm actually over passing, it's not something on my mind at all, probably because I am just used to passing. No one questions anything with me)

<3
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Colleen Ireland

Quote from: JessicaG on September 17, 2010, 02:31:43 PMI am just trying to make sure I have all the right information to make a good decision.

That's the REAL key, IMHO.  Information=power.  Just be sure to cross-reference everything that poses as fact to at least 3 different sources.  Not all "facts" are created equal.  My reaction to reply#3 was a lot like the rest, and I started to reply, but felt I'd wait and see what others thought - I'm still very early in my journey, and not terribly self-confident yet, but I'm learning.  I was curious what the author meant by "Transition", because a lot of what is written there sounds like what I'd call the early stages of transition, which is where I'm at right now.  I present as cis-gendered everywhere except VERY safe places, like my therapist, support group, and a few friends.  I am not nearly ready to go out in the world presenting as female.  So... I still wear guy clothes, present as male, present myself differently to different groups (there are people now who only know me as Colleen), etc. - a lot of the stuff on that list.  But each thing I try leads me on - I can only conclude that this is RIGHT for me, until I hit something (if I do) that says "Whoa... slow down!"  I haven't hit anything like that yet.  I think the next "big" step for me is laser for my face.  That's going to require that my wife and I have some serious chats.  So, actually, I guess the chats are the next big step.

The good thing is, you can only eat an elephant one bite at a time - and this is one BIG elephant.  So I go slow, remain respectful of the feelings of my family while also looking after my own needs, and sooner or later, I know I will look back and go, "Wow, look how far I've come!"

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