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how do you describe yourself, your gender?

Started by Tree, September 20, 2010, 11:49:46 PM

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Kentrie

I feel 90% male. But reality screws me up sometimes.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Aidan_

Argh, the frustration of "Identification" and it's necessity. Genetically, I'm going to be stuck with a Y chromosome until I die. Mentally/Personally, I am not of the binary sexes. In formal scenarios or to keep things simple, I identify as male. I don't expect others to comprehend a "nongendered" person, so I don't put that tax on their brains.

To friends though, I identify as an "Aidan" jokingly. I openly identify as androgynous though to them.

Of course this means some people will be a little freaked out...some will hate me too. Living in a decent area and having a good circle of friends is the best solution to that.
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shiinee

First off, I really like this thread, especially the gender form link.  Everyone bake yourself a cookie, then eat said cookie with vigor and satisfaction, which will be in some abstract and nebulous sense from me.

I'm inclined to agree in part with all the main viewpoints presented so far - I'm in the wrong box, I am making my own box, boxes shouldn't exist, and who cares.  In case anyone is actually interested I'm going to try to address all of those in addition to all of the words I use to describe myself.  To be honest, this post is mostly an excuse to write it all down for the times when I feel lost and confused about the whole thing.

~ female-assigned at birth

I'll start from the beginning I guess; when I was born someone visually inspected my genitalia and attempted to define me as female for the rest of my life.  I don't like it, but it has contributed something to my identity for better or for worse.

~ Ft?, not female

I've never felt like a girl, even when I didn't understand gender at all.  I don't understand girls, I don't feel comfortable in a group of girls, and I can't relate to girls the way they relate to each other and try to relate to me.  And I don't want to be able to do those things, in fact, sometimes I am afraid that I am or will become a woman.  

~ FtM, sexually male, penis-envier?

As far as sex is concerned, I'd be better off with the standard male genitals.  Basically, I feel like a penis would really belong on my body.  I don't want to get graphic but I fantasize about it a lot, I would like to use it in sexual acts, and I try to simulate it with toys/imagination.

~ boy, kid, little brother

I am a small person and I tend to act immature or childish, so I'm often known as a kid.  I like it very much, I think it makes life so colorful and exciting; I hope I am young at heart until the day I die.  I particularly identify with the word "boy," and I've been told I act like a young boy.  Sometimes I've been read as my boyfriend's little brother.  

~ loli, little girl

Confusingly enough, I also see myself as a little girl in some senses, mostly the cute aesthetic and as a sexual role.  I love to dress as an adorable girl with cute clothing and hair bows, and I tend to wear girl's accessories.  I don't want to behave like a girl, play with a young girl's toys, or interact with other young girls, but I feel like it's an aspect of my identity.  It doesn't feel repulsive to me as long as I am prepubescent.  

~ neutrois, androgynous

Physically, I don't want to have a gender.  My body shouldn't have male or female markers of any sort*: no gonads, no reproductive organs, no breasts, no curves, no prominent muscles, no facial or body hair, etc.  None of those things belong on my body, and I'm desperate to get rid of the ones I have.

~ bishi, prettyboy, femboy

Although I like calling myself a boy I do not want to be a man or look like one.  I want to stay small and cute in appearance and behavior; I would absolutely love being a skinny boy with long hair, the kind who is easily mistaken for a girl at a glance.  I relate very strongly to the Japanese term bishounen (beautiful boy) and find the western concept of masculinity pretty much a joke.

~ gender bender, gender outlaw, gender punk, gender pirate, etc.

My personal philosophy about gender expression is that it should always be freeing and never restricting.  I'll be disappointed if I fit into a gender stereotype, because I don't want to be normal.  I want to turn heads, drop jaws, blow minds, and generally knock down all the limits that come from our overly simplistic view of gender.  And look awesome while doing it.


Now that I've written down all these labels I feel much freer and less restricted by them.  Woo irony.
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Tree

wow, shiinee, very thorough and very interesting--especially the overlap and points of contention in the series of labels. words words words! thanks for sharing so much.
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Jaimey

I basically just said, "to hell with gender" and decided not to worry about it.  I have a female body that I don't hate.  I like dudes.  As long as I'm true to myself, it'll work out.  I just don't worry about it anymore.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Xren

@shiinee

This.  Pretty much this.  You said it better than I ever could.
I've had no caffeine but I'm wired
The computer goes whizz-click and beep
It's twelve and I'm not even tired...
So WHY in the [SQUEELP] should I sleep?
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Kinkly

there are many ways of looking at gender for me the one dimentional line between male & female doesn't fit my experience because it assumes that the more male you are the less female you are there have been times when I felt very strongly both Male and Female at the same time.
my maleness is normally 40-60% and my Fem side between 60 - 80% but there have been times where I have emotionally had both 95+.
here is an example of what caused me to feel stongly both in a very hard way I also have examples where the 2 parts have worked well together
I had been working hard toward a performance when with 3 weeks to go till opening night I was told without warning that I wasn't good enough, I was painful to watch and that a replacement had been found.
my Male emotions wanted to kill the director,
my female side couldn't stop crying
I wouldn't want to hurt anyone so I was venting by bashing up my pillow that became sopping wet with the tears my teddy bear was also effected at that time bashed hugged and used as a tissue and flew all within a few seconds.

during an event I'm just me and I feel how I feel it is only looking back that I see how stereotypicaly Male and female traits work at the same time during some experiences and there are other people here and other places online who feel about 0% for both male and female.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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clairezoey

im a lesbian girl that trap in man body

at day, i be a man. just a normal man who play football

but when night i be a girl. hahahaha....

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Almond

I think you get into all kinds of trouble if you don't think of gender as a spectrum. but, what kind of spectrum is it? maybe it's more accurate to think of gender as a circle than a line. very masculine and very feminine traits would start to look similar that way.
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Tree

Quote from: Almond on October 31, 2010, 12:56:15 PM
I think you get into all kinds of trouble if you don't think of gender as a spectrum. but, what kind of spectrum is it? maybe it's more accurate to think of gender as a circle than a line. very masculine and very feminine traits would start to look similar that way.

maybe a color wheel, or a bubble?
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Aidan_

Quote from: Almond on October 31, 2010, 12:56:15 PM
I think you get into all kinds of trouble if you don't think of gender as a spectrum. but, what kind of spectrum is it? maybe it's more accurate to think of gender as a circle than a line. very masculine and very feminine traits would start to look similar that way.

It's probably best as a line spectrum. There is:

Very Masculine - Masculine - Androgynous - Feminine - Very Feminine

Of course, that's a very basic way of looking at it. Many claim to be Feminine and retain some manly traits and vice versa, that would put them near Feminine but still between F and A.

Though classification is not needed and honestly isn't very constructive, society will label you so you should be prepared to influence them to make a label that you'll be happy with.
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ativan

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Raven

I'm still discovering myself, but I basically feel neither masculine or feminine at any time, I do tend to act more like a guy but that's just personility I think. So idk maybe I don't have a gender.
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Xakkun

I guess if I had to lean one way or the other, I'd lean a bit toward male. I do like my penis. But then, I get EXTREMELY giddy whenever someone thinks I'm a girl. :p

I guess if I HAD to choose some kind of loose term, I'd be a girly-boy. Or something. I don't know. XD
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Vanessa_yhvh

When feeling label-ish, these days I lean heavily on "gender nonconforming" and "genderqueer". I consider m2f and gender->-bleeped-<- to refer to activities I carry out more than identifiers, although I situationally use either as a noun or adjective.

When tempted to be more specific, I tend to think of how much of a hole I'm already in and just put the shovel down.
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ThenWeWereFlying

#55
I don't really feel like any gender...I love being able to feel like a boy, and to mostly/feel like a girl...I also like being a boy because, in addition to being closer to being myself, I also feel empowered.

I like women, and I like men. I also like other androgynies because I see them as beautiful in an almost enlightened way. I see androgyny as rising above the crude and simple notion of gender our society has.
In addition, I would also like to have relationships with other girls (my age, don't worry). I don't know if this is an experimental phase or something that will be with me for the rest of my life.
(Yes, I just identified as female there. Calm down son.)

I plan to post pictures soon, but my eyes will probably be covered. And it won't be my real hair.

I actually wish I could cut my hair, slightly long but still boyish, without looking like a butch lesbian. I wish I was brave enough to allow myself to get mistaken for either gender. I like to think that, as of now, I could pass for either male or female.
I'd also want to dye it blond, like dark yellowish brown, and natural looking. I have no idea why, that just makes sense to me.

As a male, I prefer to be casually dressed, usually slightly goth, and as a female, well, you can certainly tell I am female. Although I tend to dress simply (not tastelessly or sluttily) it is still very apparent.

EDIT: Also, I hate how everyone is trying to give the "gender spectrum" a kind of image. I think that, just by being here, all of us are proving any kind of gender spectrum to be completely pointless.

Also, thanks, Samantha! :] And nice to meet everyone.
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azSam

Hello, ThenWeWereflying. Welcome to Susan's! ^.^

I suppose I can chime in on this. I want so badly to say, "I am a gender noncomformist", but really it doesn't fit how I feel. I feel like I conform to the societies idea of being a girl. It sort of makes me feel like I am closed minded, but I can't help how I feel.
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Sevan

Quote from: ativan on September 23, 2010, 10:21:31 PM
   Lately, I just don't. If I think about it just sort of, I feel like I'm going to be wrong. If I think about it a lot, it tends to get a bit confusing. So lately, I don't. I just am and I'm happier about myself. It seems easier to just be. I know without having to define it because I don't need to explain myself to anyone, except maybe my therapist............................   But I wish there was an easy way to explain it all here for all of you. But I can't, and I am sorry for that. There are the frustrations in some posts that make me feel pretty sad. For you and for me because it hits home.
.........................Neither gender or both. Or both of those or neither of those.

*quoted for Truth* then runs away doing the happy faerie toe dance*
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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Pica Pica

Quote from: Jaimey on October 17, 2010, 12:59:25 PM
I basically just said, "to hell with gender" and decided not to worry about it.  I have a female body that I don't hate.  I like dudes.  As long as I'm true to myself, it'll work out.  I just don't worry about it anymore.

Aye, change a few details, but the gist is there.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Jaimey

If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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