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how do you describe yourself, your gender?

Started by Tree, September 20, 2010, 11:49:46 PM

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Vyn

I don't think I ever got on the gender bus, so I feel a bit lost when navigating label land. Sometimes more than one seems like it could work, and each has a nuance.   I still feel alienated by the gender binary, and have always gravitated to androgyny and neutrality.  From an early age I knew my identity was neither a boy or a girl, feeling distant from either polarization.  Acting like either feels like drag to me, and artificially contrived.  A synthesis or nondivision was much more comfortable and natural in my case.  Thus, androgyne, non-binary, agender, and genderqueer could all work as labels for my situation.  Over time, thinking too critically about all possible identities that could apply to my life became a convoluted circuitous mindgame, one that often generated more worry than good; and like some others here, I eventually said "screw gender" and went on my way just being me.
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Amazon D

hmmmm i think my name says it all.. definately not male and not female (post op mtf)  but more aligned with non op FTM

i AM GLAD BEING SEEN AS A FTM VERSES A MALE TO FEMALE
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Sevan

More often than not I refer to myself as "androgyn". Depending on who I'm talking to I might simplify and say "transgendered"....I LIKE "third gender" quite a bit...and FtA says pretty much everything...I feel like it signified actively DOING something...which I am. I'm taking T. So..yea. That works.
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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ThenWeWereFlying

Really, I quite often get dysphoria because society has such strict limitations on gender. While I live in a liberal enough are that I'll still be "allowed" to do certain things doesn't make me feel any less alienated because they are "strange".

I don't really identify as male or female. I see myself as a youth, if anything, although that has more masculine connotations, which isn't what I'm trying to express by using that. Child? I could say that, as children has often been historically viewed as genderless in a sense. (I.E. up until Victorian times boys would be clothed in dresses until they were at least six) but that's obviously changed recently.
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Lee

I'm still trying to figure this out.  I don't think that I'm completely FTM, so I'm leaning towards androgynous at the moment.  I'm definitely more masculine in the way that I act, think, etc, though and have realized how much better a binder and packer make me feel.  .....Then I go and belly dance.  So yeah, somewhere in the middleish.
Oh I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love

A blah blog
http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,365.0.html
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Ariel

I'm a girl with a DISGUSTING vagina at the moment LOL
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Riley

It's really funny, I discovered the trans world only recently. Before then, I thought about gender A LOT, and came to the conclusion that it's just a social construct. Despite that, I decided the best way to describe myself is gender neutral. I still sort of feel that way.
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Sevan

I absolutly thought that gender was a societal construct until I started T. The vast change in even the little things tells me that we are NOT the same. There are things (of course) that are just human....but there are many many things that are male or female. Hormones are powerful!!!
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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Devyn

Quote from: M2MtF2FtM on November 14, 2010, 05:33:12 PM
hmmmm i think my name says it all.. definately not male and not female (post op mtf)  but more aligned with non op FTM

i AM GLAD BEING SEEN AS A FTM VERSES A MALE TO FEMALE

Wait, wait, wait. You're a post-op MtF, but a non-op FtM? That's quite interesting.
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Amazon D

Quote from: Devyn on November 24, 2010, 07:00:44 PM
Wait, wait, wait. You're a post-op MtF, but a non-op FtM? That's quite interesting.

yes kinda ironic huh  I basically love being able to let my mind control my body sexually not the other way around as before i transitioned. That is opposite of what most non trans people think about us too. I did have all my facial hair removed so i can't grow a beard and so most people see me as a FTM (or know me legally as a Female) and i get lots of positive support verses when i was living the other direction. Then i was being harrassed by prejudice people if they found out or getting unwanted attention from men who did or didn't know. So yes to me life is half how i feel about my own sexuality and half how others perceive me that has me living as a non op FTM. Now i can be my best and experience the best from others. Life is about living in the world and we do have to deal with other people so might as well get that which you want not that which you don't want. I have seen many people limit themselves to a certain geographical location to exist with some semblence of peace. I have found there isn't any place i can live now and feel uncomfortable. No longer do i need be on one side sticking up for myself against others who may be against me. That was wasting too much energy and not allowing myself the freedom to just live and move on as most people do. I tried the activist route and found i was living in a constant fight with someone or the other. Life is too short to spend it with people who's ideologies may or may not agree with me. Mostly all people want to just fit in and move on with life. Being an activist can be a lonely way of life limiting oneself to a attitude of having people against you for the sake of an attitude of forcing ones beliefs on others when in reality we can never get them to change.

There is a song:

I went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories and play our songs again
When I got to the garden party, they all knew my name
No one recognized me, I didn't look the same

CHORUS
But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself

People came from miles around, everyone was there
Yoko brought her walrus, there was magic in the air
'n' over in the corner, much to my surprise
Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes wearing his disguise

CHORUS

lott-in-dah-dah-dah, lot-in-dah-dah-dah

Played them all the old songs, thought that's why they came
No one heard the music, we didn't look the same
I said hello to "Mary Lou", she belongs to me
When I sang a song about a honky-tonk, it was time to leave

CHORUS

lot-dah-dah-dah (lot-dah-dah-dah)
lot-in-dah-dah-dah

Someone opened up a closet door and out stepped Johnny B. Goode
Playing guitar like a-ringin' a bell and lookin' like he should
If you gotta play at garden parties, I wish you a lotta luck
But if memories were all I sang, I rather drive a truck

CHORUS

lot-dah-dah-dah (lot-dah-dah-dah)
lot-in-dah-dah-dah

'n' it's all right now, learned my lesson well
You see, ya can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself




I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Kinkly

M2WtF / M2GQ / M2IS
I recently came out  to a doctor (who has nothing to do with gender) explaining that
there are males, females and other (I think I used the term genderqueer)
and also said that some people are Cis (comfortable in skin)
some people see themselves as the opposite gender to their biology
and then there are the others. and that I'm other for both categories. she asked about my sexuality
and I said of the 5 genders I've met I've felt an attraction to all except  except cis males

also I'm more both then neither,
more neither then female,
more female then male.
and I am a person first gender is only one part of who I am - a big part but only one part
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Shana A

"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Jaimey

If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Simone Louise

I've been away from this forum for a couple of years, because it was becoming an obsession, while at the same time daily life was demanding my attention. Then a couple of weeks ago, the rabbi at my synagogue led a service and discussion supportive of transgendered people. She passed out a sheet of definitions that included genderqueer, but not androgyne. I wanted to question that but didn't feel it would contribute to more open and empathetic treatment of mtf/ftms. I spoke toward that, but said nothing about androgynes or about me. Still, that was enough to drive me back to this forum.

I feel a lot like Dostoyevsky's Man from the Underground, who frequently writes paragraphs like: "It would even be better if I myself believed at least something of all the things I've just written. I swear to you, gentlemen, that I don't believe a word, not one little word, of all the things I've just scribbled! That is, I do believe it, perhaps, but at the same time, who knows why, I feel and suspect that I'm lying like a shoemaker." It takes me forever to write entries like this, because I keep arguing with myself about what I feel, what's true, what's real, and what's important.

I present as a male. Yes, I wear size 18 tops, but they are not overtly femme. I have a pony tail, as long as it will grow--and a full beard. I wear pink and lavender shirts, with a couple of buttons open to display on a delicate silver chain a small silver circle with the Hebrew inscription that means--I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine. My wife bought it for me in Israel in lieu of a wedding ring. I have never tried to pass as a female, not one hour, not even on Halloween (among my least favorite holidays).

I check M on a myriad of forms. I discuss my gender with none but my wife, who is also my best friend; I confront no one; I argue with no one. Still, my wife has one friend who has asked her not to bring me to the house, because I don't mix well with her husband and his guy friends. Every test I have taken over many years has indicated I am "feminine". I consistently feel feminine. I have always preferred the company of females to males, and will never join a male-only voluntary group. I often bump into or step on things because the body image I have in my mind is smaller with more curves. Still, I am happy and thankful to have a body that functions well, given my age.

Still, all I want is to be able to do what society considers feminine and to have other women regard me as a peer. Like some here, I would welcome a low-dose of estrogen. I had an all too brief experience with the T-blocker finestride (for prostate problems) , which allowed my body some, mostly temporary, feminizing and a feeling of excitement and euphoria I have never experienced before or since.

Maybe, my wife of 22 years is beginning to understand. She said she doesn't understand why her women's spirituality group doesn't want her to bring me. "After all, my friend brings her [female bodied] partner." I was lying in bed on my side, when she ran her hand along my thighs and said: "Curves." She suggested one day, we play that I have the innie and she has the outie. She has helped pick out a couple of my tops.

Yet, at the end of the day, I am at a loss when trying to describe my gender. It is not my sex; it is not a cultural artifact; it is not the roles I play within the culture. I have feared all my life, others would find out what I have always known: I am not a guy. And I don't describe my gender because I can't.

S
Choose life.
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Kendall

Simone Louise, I really appreciated and felt kinship with your post. The confusion, and the reality, that appearance notwithstanding, I am not a man. But what am I and what do I want - or need - to do?

Thank you for sharing.

Kendall
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Kinkly

Simone Louise, Welcome back good to see you. long time no see, good to see another bearded lady again. :)
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Shana A

Quote from: Simone Louise on December 05, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
Yet, at the end of the day, I am at a loss when trying to describe my gender. It is not my sex; it is not a cultural artifact; it is not the roles I play within the culture. I have feared all my life, others would find out what I have always known: I am not a guy. And I don't describe my gender because I can't.

Hi Simone,

Wonderful to see you back here again!

I completely relate to your difficulty of describing my gender. Inspired by Audre Lorde's "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House", I feel that binary gender language is grossly inadequate for me in telling the story of who I am.

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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