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MTF Ladylike behavior and mannerism

Started by iris1469, September 24, 2010, 10:30:00 PM

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Hermione01

Yes, purses/handbags are essential, never leave home without one.  ;D



Sit with knees as close together as possible  or cross legs or cross legs at ankle or fold cross legged under chair.  Never sit with legs apart, well in public anyway, even in a pair of jeans. Never sit with leg crossed at ankle over knee and hand on leg. If sitting at a bench don't drape arm across the back of bench. Arms crossed is fine.



When standing at a bus stop/ train station, never lean on posts or walls no matter how tired your feet are.  Stand with legs together or only slightly apart with handbag over shoulder or held in hand by your side. 

Can also stand with one foot pointed to the side, sort of like how ballet dancers stand.



Have good posture, don't slouch (easier said than done especially after a long day at work)

Never ever spit even if you think you can't be seen.

Never touch your crotch area or hitch up pants/jeans.

Wow, sorry if this sounds so militant.  :police: Yikes!

I know of women who don't follow this kind of feminine conditioning, but they are rare. I also like to say I couldn't care less if a woman wants to sit spread eagle, spit and curse (they're cool and couldn't give a crap  ;D) , but these gestures will make them stand out so if you want to blend in, you have to follow the rules.  :laugh:




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justmeinoz

How about Female USMC OFFICERS as a role model?
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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placeholdername

Quote from: Hermione01 on September 25, 2010, 07:21:40 PM
I know of women who don't follow this kind of feminine conditioning, but they are rare.

I don't know any women who follow that kind of conditioning lol...
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rejennyrated

Quote from: justmeinoz on September 26, 2010, 06:11:30 AM
How about Female USMC OFFICERS as a role model?
Well I have to say that this is more what I was thinking of when Kyril pulled me up.

Perhaps I should have specified Officer more closely but having had very little, or to be more honest, no contact, with any other ranks I kind of just naturally 100% assumed that people would know I meant an Officer...  :embarrassed:

Sadly IRL I am 4th or 5th generation Upper/Upper-middle class and to my shame I have never really any meaningful social contact with anyone else so I really and honestly wouldn't know about how they might behave. (Oh and please do understand I'm absolutely not trying to be snobbish about that - I'm just being honest about my woeful ignorance.)
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ggina

Quote from: superkitty036 on September 24, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
What communicates confidence while at the same time being ignorant...???
Ever saw how models stand still for a second when they've reached the end of the runway and before they turn around? It's a pose, yes, and it can be varied, but when I have to stand in place for a while I usually pick a pose like that. For example, throwing out my hips in one direction and hooking my thumbs into my pants or belt or just put my hands in my pocket if I have some more baggy pants on. I've seen both men and women do this so it's not a runway-speciality :) And if you want to boost the effect you might chew some gum while at it :) (I don't do gums btw.)

I once was with a friend at a train station and while waiting, I leaned my back against the wall, one leg straightened out and the other pulled up to the knee, with my feet next to the wall. He later said I was behaving like a whore :) Nothing could be further from the truth but I admit if I feel that's comfortable then I'll do it, don't really care about others. I'm loose :)

And have to add that I can't blend, I'm 6ft... I'd probably look stupid and/or overacting if I'd ever try the things Hermione suggested. I just wouldn't feel comfortable and anyway if this is me, for better or worse, then this is what people get :)

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lilacwoman

[quote author=rejennyrated link=topic=84474.msg598222#msg598222 date=1285419934

This treatment is supposed to be about being true to yourself. So whilst I think it can be helpful to realise that there are perhaps certain gestures and stances which will not enhance your perception as a woman I would HOPE that most people seeking to transition would not need to be taught to walk or hold themselves in a female way, because you should just do it naturally.

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get thee behind us Satan Jenny!  devil's Advocate indeed.  I've been shot down in flames thousands of times for saying 'female behaviour should come naturally to a Mtf!   :D
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iris1469

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 27, 2010, 04:23:02 AM
[quote author=rejennyrated link=topic=84474.msg598222#msg598222 date=1285419934

This treatment is supposed to be about being true to yourself. So whilst I think it can be helpful to realise that there are perhaps certain gestures and stances which will not enhance your perception as a woman I would HOPE that most people seeking to transition would not need to be taught to walk or hold themselves in a female way, because you should just do it naturally.




Well I know that for me, it took me a while to completly figure out who and what I am. I grew up in a small redneck town and didnt even know that there were others like me until I was 28... Growing up I was CONSTANTLY picked on and beaten up at times because of my gender issue.......So I learned to play the role of a man, a masculine man,,,,and I bottled up EVERYTHING. So for me, it is harder for me to let that guard down at such a late stage of my life (37) after having built it up over 30 years. When I turned 30, the pressure from within myself was too great, and things began leaking until the dam broke,,,,,that was when I decided that I was going to to the gender jump...and I went from one extreme (a man) to the other. To me it is all or nothing, so after 6 years of not bottling myself up, I started hormones,,,, so that is why I ask,,,,,
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VeronikaFTH

Quote from: superkitty036 on September 27, 2010, 04:39:46 AM
Well I know that for me, it took me a while to completly figure out who and what I am. I grew up in a small redneck town and didnt even know that there were others like me until I was 28... Growing up I was CONSTANTLY picked on and beaten up at times because of my gender issue.......So I learned to play the role of a man, a masculine man,,,,and I bottled up EVERYTHING. So for me, it is harder for me to let that guard down at such a late stage of my life (37) after having built it up over 30 years. When I turned 30, the pressure from within myself was too great, and things began leaking until the dam broke,,,,,that was when I decided that I was going to to the gender jump...and I went from one extreme (a man) to the other. To me it is all or nothing, so after 6 years of not bottling myself up, I started hormones,,,, so that is why I ask,,,,,

This sounds familiar... I did the same thing. You and I are basically the same age, and when I turned 30 my life basically started falling apart.

I had to learn how to be a "guy" because I never fit in with guys... But I became quite effective at it after a while. The better I became at it, the more miserable I was.

I didn't have to learn female mannerisms, they did come naturally to me. Once I came to terms with myself the male persona just fell down like a house of cards...
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eshaver

Thank you to all who were so good to respond to this topic ! I feel so awkward in the same situations myself sometimes . Oh , I've been full time since I guess 2006. Still, thank you for all the advice I saw . ellen
See ya on the road folks !!!
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ggina

Quote from: rejennyrated on September 25, 2010, 08:05:34 AM
I would HOPE that most people seeking to transition would not need to be taught to walk or hold themselves in a female way, because you should just do it naturally.

agree on this one. Having to repress a female side for so long can only mean you don't have practice but you must at least have the knowledge from studying women during that time... And if you've studied well, all should go well :)

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GinaDouglas

[quote author=rejennyrated link=topic=84474.msg598222#msg598222 date=1285419934
This treatment is supposed to be about being true to yourself. So whilst I think it can be helpful to realise that there are perhaps certain gestures and stances which will not enhance your perception as a woman I would HOPE that most people seeking to transition would not need to be taught to walk or hold themselves in a female way, because you should just do it naturally.
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Hope is nice.  I used to hope my Fairy Godmother would turn me into a girl.

But, in the real world, for someone who was conditioned to do male gestures to learn how to be "naturally" female; it takes practice.  Mannerisms and habits, posture - it's  all learned behavior.  Learned in muscle-memory, and not really under conscious control, unless you concentrate on it and then learn not to think about it again, the new way.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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