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I am so angry at the mental health system

Started by Jeatyn, October 19, 2010, 12:57:15 PM

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LordKAT

Gee, this sounds familiar.  I truly understand what you are feeling. I wish I could change it for you but, I can't.
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miniangel

Hang in there. Let your legal team make all the arguments while you just sit there, looking like the perfect parent. Meanwhile, I'm sending all the bad vibes I can muster towards them. As for James Barrett, I hope he is able to deliver a knockout blow to their case. Best wishes, Jeatyn. I admire you, man. No-one should have to put up with this crap.
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rejennyrated

Just one word of caution here. As some of you will know I have a very close friend who used to be one of the psychiatrists at Charing Cross. Not to put too fine a point on it he has some "interesting" views on Dr Barratt.

Now allowing for the fact that his opinion is probably coloured slightly by the fact that they had a ratehr public falling out, my sense from both him, and others I have heard speak, and who know Barratt, is that he is possibly the least sympathetic of all the doctors who are there and the one that if you can avoid it you really don't want to have to deal with.

I believe he has helped some people but I have also heard him described as a serial tormentor of trans folks. He has a bit of a reputation for changing his mind saying one thing to your face and another later on when he writes a letter. This can make it difficult to know where you stand with him. So if there is any possibility that there is some other doctor on the CXH team that they would allow you to see then I think it might be easier. I think Barratt is currently the head of department there which is possibly why he was specifically named, but there are other well respected doctors there. Now to be fair (and because I don't want to libel anyone) let me point out that any comments about Barratt are technically hearsay and are just an opinion not proven fact, but I think they are worth bearing in mind.

Anyway I hope and pray that you will get this all sorted out soon. It seems to me to be very odd, particularly given the fact that there are many succesful trans parents out there, and indeed Transpeople have been approved for adoption too. So your social workers seem to me to be treating you as though your problems are simply not trans related, either that or they are incredibly ignorant of what the normal attitudes to trans people are in the country these days.

Either way - I wish the very best of luck.
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Jeatyn

oh man I hape Barrett doesn't screw me over further =/ I can't see someone else, the court order specifically names him as the person I need to see.

Just gonna have to wait and see I guess
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Nathan.

My experience with James Barrett was a good one, his letter was no different to what was said in my appointment with him and i've nothing bad to say about him.

I'm hoping you have a good experience too.
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rejennyrated

Well as I said my comments were based on hearsay and therefore should perhaps be taken with a little caution. I am glad to hear that some people have found him ok. Unfortunately it's like anything, you tend to find the people with a gripe easier than those who had good reports.

I was just a bit concerned from what I had previously heard. Anyway you should always bear in mind that all doctors have to be initially approached carefully until you know what line they are going to take with you.
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spacial

Jeatyn.

Make sure you keep your lawyer in the loop.

And, if you haven't already done so, contact some of those groups I gave you, telling them your whole story. Especially that MP.

Write a brief summary, then the full thing.

I can't realy say I know exactly what's going on. My gut tells me they are still trying to retreat with some dignity. But you are there and know everything first hand. (Which I don't).

But the rule for you must be: records, diary, contacts, sticking to the point.

Jeatyn. I understand how isolated and put upon you must feel right now. But as I've said previously, I'm in a similar situation after something that I did 40 years ago. I'm sorry, but it's just a matter of keeping up the fight.
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Al James

Good luck mate- heres hoping it all blows up in their faces very soon
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Jeatyn

My gut tells me they are desperately wanting me to ->-bleeped-<- up so they can take her and get her adopted while she's still little and cute.

They've said if this report from Dr Barrett comes back fine then they want me to see someone else. They won't let up until somebody "confirms" that I am in fact insane

I can't see an end to this, I really can't
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Janet_Girl

What is your lawyer saying about all of this nonsense?  They are just trying to bend the evidence in their favor, not letting the truth be told.
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glendagladwitch

Maybe you could pretend you're not trans anymore and sell your story to pay for a privately funded transition.  This thread would make a great movie.
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rejennyrated

As someone with a bit of experience of the UK bureaucracy I can tell you that despite your current and understandable feelings this will end eventually. You just have to hang on long enough for them to conclude that they have more urgent things to do than hound you.

You are doing the right things. Of course they will say "oh well then will do this and that" - because they are trying to pile on the pressure to MAKE you snap, because if you once do that you have saved them from having to prove their case, which clearly they are finding rather difficult.

It's like a game of bluffing. They are clearly trying to psych you.

The problem is if it has gone this far, then the social worker must be being made to look somewhat grossly incompetent or prejudiced and so the whole system will be trying desperately to get the outcome they expected so that no one has to face the prospect of disciplinary action or an awkward enquiry into the seemingly wrongful hounding of an innocent parent.

However there are some things that can sometimes maybe help to speed up this point being reached, they are:

1. Get your local MP on board if possible, and ask him/her to start raising questions.
2. Get some sympathetic media coverage about the potential miscarriage of justice.

Neither is a guaranteed fix - but both can sometimes help if approached in the right way.
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spacial

Jestyn.

This is classic grind down tactics.

I really hope you do as Jenny suggested. And I also hope you contact that MP whose name I gave you.

I hope you remember to record the conversations with these people, especially their claim they will refer you to someone else if this one doesn't go as they wish.

But as I keep telling you, you are just going to have to get use to fighting.
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Arch

It looks like you have to get as many heavyweights as you can in your corner and not let the jerks grind you down before they finally have to call it quits and give in.

Talk to your attorney about this MP--sounds like you could benefit from the support.

Don't let the bastards get you down.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Jeatyn

I tried my mp, they sided with SS.

my appeal reply came through today, they basically say I'm full of crap

I'm now working with a barrister from london, he tells me to just keep calling their bluff now that its gone as high as county court, because in this environment a judge has to rule according to the law and evidence, rather than just heresay from the SS.
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spacial

Quote from: Jeatyn on January 20, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
I tried my mp, they sided with SS.

my appeal reply came through today, they basically say I'm full of crap

I'm now working with a barrister from london, he tells me to just keep calling their bluff now that its gone as high as county court, because in this environment a judge has to rule according to the law and evidence, rather than just heresay from the SS.

In that case, do just that. A barraster knows his stuff.

But remember, records of everything.
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SnailPace

I'm glad you are finally finding some intelligent legal advice!

Everyone at Susans will have an online party once this is all over!
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Arch

Quote from: Jeatyn on January 20, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
I'm now working with a barrister from london, he tells me to just keep calling their bluff now that its gone as high as county court, because in this environment a judge has to rule according to the law and evidence, rather than just heresay from the SS.

Well, this sounds like an improvement.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Jeatyn

We appear to be making progress!

I've been talking to SS and my lawyer today. SS have done almost a 360 turn around. They are withdrawing the care order and are wanting to revise the care plan down from 24/7 surveillance to just 4 hours split over two shifts. SS also said that if no problems crop up between now and the next court date on march 1st they will go away completely.

My lawyer told me that the SS have hired a barrister aswell because I did, and she reckons that their barrister has told them to back off otherwise I'm gonna end up suing them.....and winning.

My barrister however doesn't particularly want me to agree to this new care plan, he just wants them off my back completely and told me not to sign anything and wait until the judge makes a ruling.
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rejennyrated

Good news!  :)  Like I said, they were trying to psych you into snapping and proving their case for them by your reaction.

When you responded in a sensible and formal legal manner they have suddenly had to confront reality.

With any luck somebody will lose their job over this!
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