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Started by aidengabriel, October 23, 2010, 11:46:41 AM

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aidengabriel

I'm looking for work, and I know its very difficult to find work now...but is it more difficult because I'm FTM? Could anyone tell me if they had a hard time explaining to their coworkers/supervisors? Problems with paychecks? I'm mainly concerned that people will not hire me because they wouldnt want a FTM working for them. I'm also concerned with the scenario in which my paycheck has my name and not my birthname and I would no be able to cash it. Any tips on how to approach an employer and how to explain my situation?
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Leek

It really totally depends on the employer.

I transitioned on the job and everyone was basically fine with it. They just took to calling me by my normal name, but doing only the paperwork in my birth name. If your employer knows you're trans (which is sort of inevitable if you haven't settled all the bureaucratic concerns), it doesn't mean he has to treat you any different. Just make it clear you don't want to be treated differently from any other male there if that seems to be happening.

I don't know if being trans would prevent you from getting hired; again, I think it would depend on the employer. You're probably pretty safe, though, if you go with a bigger corporation, as they usually have some kind of policy to avoid discrimination in general (though normally not specifically with regards to transsexuals, it still helps in the general spirit of things, I'd imagine). Besides, you're just an impersonal cog in their wheel, so they'll care less than a smaller business that you're trans.

All I can really say, whether you're transitioning on the job or just starting at a new one, is to act with confidence about everything. Just do things like you normally do them--use the men's restroom nonchalantly without asking permission for it, respond only to your real name, etc--and act confused if someone questions you about it, making it clear that this is normally how things are done and that it's weird to expect you to do things any other way. Usually that's not a problem, though, because I've noticed that people generally won't question you about stuff like that and you're free to do what you want so long as you don't ask for it or otherwise reveal any sort of uncertainty on your part.

Transgendered people aren't too commonplace and it's likely any employer you have doesn't know exactly how to deal with it all, so lead the way and tell them what to do, how they're supposed to treat you, etc. Since they likely have no other source of instruction on how to treat a transperson besides you, you'll become their only source and, in my experience, they'll just tend to go with whatever you say (if they're not ->-bleeped-<-s with pre-formed opinions about transsexuals, that is) since they have nothing else to go by.

So, yeah, in my experience, you never really have to fight anyone on anything if you just act like what you're doing is normal and don't seek approval for it (because seeking approval implies that you don't have a right to these things in the first place and casts doubt in their minds, puts the burden on them to decide what to do, when really it should be on you).
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Radar

I'm transitioning on the job and so far everyone seems supportive. I'm not treated badly, if fact, I'm not treated any differently (so far). However, before transition I worked there for several years, get on well with almost everybody and am respected. The biggest hurdle right now is correct pronoun usage, but these last two weeks people are starting to do much better (for some odd reason). I used the work transition packages found on Susan's. They worked greatly and are very professional.

However, I don't know what to do if you're trying to get a job or are a new employee and haven't changed your name yet. I would think that would be very hard. Sorry I don't have any recommendations. :-\ Oh- be sure your check name and bank accounts are the same name. You'll run into problems. I believe your check name has to be your legal name too. If not it could confuse taxes and social security. That's what I've been told anyway.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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aidengabriel

" I used the work transition packages found on Susan's. They worked greatly and are very professional."
what is this? packages?
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Radar

For work:
https://www.susans.org/wiki/A_Guide_to_Coming_Out_at_the_Workplace
This page will tell you about research, preparation and actually telling work. Within are letters and packages for doing so.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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Wolf Man

To start this off, I work for Disneyland.

I already knew that they loved the whole LGBT community. Upon entering the interview, my interviewee was confused by my name being Melissa and me looking so obviously male. He apologized several times and in the midst of things asked if I had any questions. I simply asked him about my name and that really cleared things up for him, he let me know that they had a place to choose my gender as I felt and to put my preferred name. (This is necessary for my name tag and because all costumes, a.k.a. uniforms, are sex based.) That pretty much cleared things for me. I am now essentially stealth at work given managers who have access to my information. There are things that require my legal name: pay checks, work website. Otherwise I am put on the schedule as Sebastien and our clcok in system has Sebastien, even our register system has Sebastien.

Hope this helps.
I'll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way, If I can be strong
I know every mile, Will be worth my while

When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belong
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Lex

My experience:

My boss knew me at the time of my interview as lesbian. About 5 months into working, I came out personally to my boss as ftm and explained the basics to her, then asked if she had any questions and answered them honestly. In general, I've noticed that when coming out, it's best to just be honest about everything- how and why you feel the way you feel, etc... Anyway, my name on my check is still my birth name, but everywhere else (schedule, name tag, and such) my name is Alex (the masculine version of my birth name). Most of my co-workers knew me before transition, but they try to refer to me as "he" and whatnot.. I work at a church, so sometimes you can find a job in unexpected places.. Just gotta risk not knowing whether you'll get the job or not =]

Good luck!
-Aven
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Mark

When looking FOR a job, i believe its harder to get one depending how far along you are (pre T or on T). Most employers would rather hire your typical male then someone whose a little out of the box, that doesnt just go for trans folks, but any one who is different.
When you already have a job it shouldnt really be a BIG deal but you can get fired for it in 38 states.

"States that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. (12 states and D.C.)
California (1992, 2003), Colorado (2007), District of Columbia (1977, 2006), Illinois(2006), Iowa (2007), Maine (2005), Minnesota (1993), New Jersey (1992, 2007), New Mexico (2003), Oregon (Jan. 2008), Rhode Island (1995, 2001), Vermont (1991, 2007)and Washington (2006)."

"http://www.hrc.org/sites/passendanow/why_is_it_needed.asp"
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James42

I've been wondering something similar. If I already have all my legal documents changed (birth cer, ss, license) and had top surgery, been on t, before I change jobs, how would that work if I was looking for a new job but needed my pevious work as reference, since my old job would have my previous information? If that question made sense lol sorry I just didn't want to start a new topic.
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lilacwoman

Sebastian the happy wolfman - nice to know things worked out fine for you.
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aidengabriel

@mark, thanks for the info! but i live in NY ...
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Mark

Quote from: aidengabriel on October 27, 2010, 06:08:25 PM
@mark, thanks for the info! but i live in NY ...

State courts, commissions, agencies, or attorney general have interpreted the existing law to include some protection against discrimination against transgender individuals in Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts and New York.
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glendagladwitch

Some employers might be worried that they will have to pay you more when you complete transition.

Just kidding!  I think you may find that it will be helpful if you can find employers who have had transitioners in the past, becasue they will know how to handle it.

Good luck with your job hunt!
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Radar

Quote from: James42 on October 27, 2010, 08:57:22 AMI've been wondering something similar. If I already have all my legal documents changed (birth cer, ss, license) and had top surgery, been on t, before I change jobs, how would that work if I was looking for a new job but needed my previous work as reference, since my old job would have my previous information?
I've wondered this too. If all your records (or at least the main ones) are changed at work than that should work out O.K. As for references we just need to bite the bullet and tell them of our transition and new names. From there we can only hope they remember and don't slip up.

Informing them and then reminding them again when it looks like a job will check your references is probably good. Most places won't check your references unless you've been interviewed twice and are a strong candidate. That or they tell you they're going to, which would be best cause then you can remind your references.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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chitoshi

i'm thinking about the same thing. i know i'm going to ftm, but i'm still in hs. i want to know will my 'stats' so to speek still be on me, like they won't dissapear. i guess that's all, so ya, if ya can/ want to, please reply. ^^
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Danny

Quote from: aidengabriel on October 23, 2010, 11:46:41 AM
I'm looking for work, and I know its very difficult to find work now...but is it more difficult because I'm FTM? Could anyone tell me if they had a hard time explaining to their coworkers/supervisors? Problems with paychecks? I'm mainly concerned that people will not hire me because they wouldnt want a FTM working for them. I'm also concerned with the scenario in which my paycheck has my name and not my birthname and I would no be able to cash it. Any tips on how to approach an employer and how to explain my situation?
I have just started part time work and i haven't told anyone, they see what they see... a male co-worker
i Had top surgery 9 months ago and have got an uncomfortable bulge on my left side. When i lean forward i have a crease which folds the nipple in. Had a scan done they just said it was muscle. Will it go if i work out on weights?
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Nygeel

I've had a hard time finding a job. I was jobless while out for about a year and a half. When I finally got a job (and told supervisors about my situation) I was always called by the wrong pronouns. In one job I had, I wad accused of stealing despite not doing anything to make somebody.believe that then I was interrogated for 2 hours about it. I do believe that one of the managers (the other managers didn't know it was happening) just plain didn't like me or something
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Tad

No troubles whatsoever. Old employers (and are currently current employers) handled the situation fine. Still have trouble with pronouns even though it's been quite a while/.. but hey they are old. As for when I got another job.. I gave them a heads up I was trans simply because I knew that my old employers might slip up with pronouns when they were checked as references. Worked out fine.
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Paul

Quote from: aidengabriel on October 27, 2010, 06:08:25 PM
@mark, thanks for the info! but i live in NY ...

Even in NY it depends on the company.  I had been working at an agency for just under a year and a half when I was looking for a new position (the house I was working at was all female--as you can imagine it got really awkward) and I told the new Manager and Program Administrator when they called to offer me the position, and told them I was worried about how it would interfere with the job/position, but the PA assured me it was illegal for them to NOT hire me because I'm trans (based on our rules/regulations for our agency).  On the plus side; she's probably been my biggest supporter at work.  I got my paperwork for my name last week and I'm pretty sure she was just as excited as I was, haha. 

You just have to look.  My one friend (also in NY) is a year plus on T, but still hasn't been able to legally change his name yet, but he went where his girlfriend used to work because she knew the manager still and knew he'd be Trans friendly and my friend got the job.

Unfortunately paychecks will still have to have your birth name if that's still your legal name due to taxes/SS, but if anything that's NOT legal (nametags, schedule etc) they should be able to put your preferred name.   

It's hard to see through clouds of grey in a world full of Black and White.



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Paul

Quote from: Radar on October 27, 2010, 08:27:58 PM
I've wondered this too. If all your records (or at least the main ones) are changed at work than that should work out O.K. As for references we just need to bite the bullet and tell them of our transition and new names. From there we can only hope they remember and don't slip up.

Informing them and then reminding them again when it looks like a job will check your references is probably good. Most places won't check your references unless you've been interviewed twice and are a strong candidate. That or they tell you they're going to, which would be best cause then you can remind your references.

I think it depends.  The head of HR for my agency knows about my transition and if someone were to call her and say my preferred name she'd know who they were talking about (and my name is legal now so my information has switched over).  Plus if they called my direct bosses and used my birth name it would take them a few seconds to realize who the person was talking about because I've gone by Paul since I started at this new house. 
It's hard to see through clouds of grey in a world full of Black and White.



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