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Unspoken side effects of HRT?

Started by Epigania, October 31, 2010, 06:07:28 PM

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Epigania

Good evening.   

I have been on estrodial and spiro for about 4 days.   There are lots of results that are always discussed that are positive. 

What I never see is a discussion on the feelings and short term effects of your body chemistry changing.

I woke up in a panic this morning with a nasty Charlie Horse and I got scared that it might be a clot.  It went away after a few minutes and now my calf is aching.  I did research on clots and it isn't warm, discolored, etc.  My other leg has also been a slightly aching all day too.

I emailed my doctor to make sure I'm ok, but after much research, it appears that Charlie Horse's can because by dehydration.  This now makes total sense to me.  Spiro has made me use the restroom a lot over the last four days and I haven't been drinking a lot of water. 

Nowhere have i seen anyone discuss things like staying on top of water consumption while on hormones but I thought I'd start a thread to discuss the "unspoken" side effects of HRT and what to do to correct those issues.

Anyone else have anything to share?

K8

Spiro is a diuretic, so you need to drink more water to keep from getting dehydrated.

Another thing to consider is that estrogen, although it changes the fat content of the skin and decreases the size of the sebaceous cells, dries the surface.  Use more creams and lotions.

Most of the other possible unpleasant side effects that I know of are longer-range, like increased risk of osteoporosis and liver damage.  It would be unusual to get deep vein thrombosis in four days.  But these are some of the reasons why you need to be checked out before you start and have someone knowledgeable check your levels periodically.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Bam

Epigania, Spiro is also a diuretic,so you have to be very careful not to get dehydrated which can cause the cramps etc. Drink lots of fluids especially if you are perspiring quite a bit!!!!

I drive race cars and wear a 3 layer fire suit,when i was on spiro(i am post-op now) i had to be very careful that i drank enough liquids,and you will use the bathroom more and with E your prostate becomes less effective(you have no idea how much this holds things back until it becomes ineffective and finally gone)The best of luck on your journey!!!
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Epigania

Thanks for the responses!  Other than water, any hydration tips?  Gator Aid?

JennX

Yup... that's Spiro... really painful leg cramps in your calf muscles.

I exercise every day, and find that a good deal of stretching (like putting you leg up on a rail, table, etc and bending your body towards your foot) really helps. Also eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. Spiro is a potassium saving diruetic, meaning it can cause a build up of potassium in your body... but you also need to make sure you are getting enough potassium in your diet, as a potassium deficiency will also cause muscle cramps. Basically you need to have your endo monitor your potassium level to make sure you're getting just the right amount.

And drinking a ton of water helps.  ;)
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cynthialee

Some spiro information

General Information


Spironolactone is a potassium-sparing medication used as a diuretic medication for heart failure, liver disease and high blood pressure. It may also be used to treat other conditions as determined by your doctor. However, it has also been found useful for hirsutism, acne and seborrhoea because it has anti-androgenic properties.

Because of the anti-androgenic (Anti-Male Hormone) properties it is frequently prescribed in a male to female HRT feminizing regimen.

Generic Names (Common Brand Names)

amiloride (Midamor, Amikal, Amilospare, Arumil, Modamide, Nirulid, Pandiuren)
spironolactone (Aldactone, Adultmin, Aldopur, Aldospirone, Almatol, Berlactone, Diatensec, Diram, Esekon, Hypazon, Idrolattone, Merabis, Novospiroton, Osiren, Osyrol, Pirolacton, Resacton, Sincomen, Spiractin, Spiroctan, Spirolacton, Spirolang, Spironex, Tevaspirone, Verospiron, Xenalon Lactabs, Youlactone)
triamterene (Dyrenium, Amterene, Diarrol, Diuteren, Dytac, Jatropur, Reviten, Suloton, Triamteril, Trian, Urocaudal)

* This list may not include all brand names.

Side Effects of Spironolactone - for the Consumer

All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Spironolactone:

Diarrhea; drowsiness; headache; nausea; stomach cramping; vomiting.

Low Blood Pressure: this medication is a blood pressure lowering diuretic, working by increasing fluid loss (urinating) in the body. Frequent urination is a common side effect. Patients may also note dizziness and lightheadedness until accustomed to medication.

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Spironolactone:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); black, tarry, or bloody stools; change in the amount of urine produced; confusion; dark urine; decreased sexual ability; enlarged breasts in men; irregular or missed menstrual periods; pale stools; severe or persistent stomach pain; symptoms of abnormal fluid or electrolyte levels (eg, fast, slow, or irregular heartbeat; increased thirst; muscle weakness; severe or persistent dry mouth, nausea, or vomiting; severe or persistent dizziness or drowsiness; unusual fatigue or sluggishness; tingling sensation); yellowing of the skin or eyes.



Spironolactone Side Effects - for the Professional

The following adverse reactions have been reported and, within each category (body system), are listed in order of decreasing severity.

Digestive: Gastric bleeding, ulceration, gastritis, diarrhea and cramping, nausea, vomiting.

Endocrine: Gynecomastia, inability to achieve or maintain erection, irregular menses or amenorrhea, postmenopausal bleeding. Carcinoma of the breast has been reported in patients taking Spironolactone but a cause and effect relationship has not been established.

Hematologic: Agranulocytosis.

Hypersensitivity: Fever, urticaria, maculopapular or erythematous cutaneous eruptions, anaphylactic reactions, vasculitis.

Metabolism:Hyperkalemia (Elevated Potassium Levels)

Nervous System/Psychiatric: Mental confusion, ataxia, headache, drowsiness, lethargy.

Liver/Biliary: A very few cases of mixed cholestatic/hepatocellular toxicity, with one reported fatality, have been reported with Spironolactone administration.

Renal: Renal dysfunction (including renal failure).


Medical Supervision

As with ALL medications, medical supervision and regular blood testing is needed when administering spironolactone. In some cases patients may suffer from Hyperkalemia (Elevated Potassium Levels. This can lead to dizziness, racing and/or irregular heartbeat and possibly death.

In cases where the patient is found to have Hyperkalemia the patient must monitor their intake of potassium.

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Janet_Girl

Maintain your fluid intake,  Water is best.  Gator Aid isn't bad.  Coffee is also a diuretic, and should be avoided in large quantities.  Trust me on that one.  Tea can be a step up from coffee.

Stretching out your calf muscles before arising is a good thing.  Otherwise you can get a cramp from hell.  I got them when I was on Spiro.

Thank you for the medical information, Cynthia.
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V M

That's one of the things I hated about being on spiro... Luckily I was low T to begin with so I wasn't on it very long

Water, juices, fresh fruits, salads with mainly lettuce... I tend to like the Sobe drinks over Gator piss... Something about the flavor  :laugh:

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- V M
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adaralove

I used to get charlie horses too and still do every now and then and I have been on HRT for 15 years.
signs of a clot would be if one calve is bigger than the other, also tenderness, discolored,
It would be highly unlikely you would get a clot in just 4 days ...
If I feel really dehydrated  I drink a Gatorade and it has been a life saver for me I always keep some in case of emergency cause the spiro will do that and you just have to stay hydrated, not only charlie horses but when you are dehydrated and your electrolytes are off you can get all kinds of bad symptoms from extreme un-quenchable thirst to low blood pressure and heart arrhythmia.
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Aidan_

I would just say drink water and you can be free to add a little more salt to things. Sodium is a minor electrolyte too! Stay clear of high potassium foods and drinks seeing as you'll be more susceptible to hyperkalemia (High blood potassium).

I have heard that Spiro's diuretic effect goes away with time. Some report it going away after a few weeks, some report it never going away. It'll just be a matter of watching and waiting. If the diuretic effect becomes too much, there are a few other AAs to consider.
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Failcake

First day of HRT, horrible horrible migraine that combined with some uhm excitement kept me awake till 6am -__-, I was also worried about DVTs but I don't think it's a huge risk that early on.
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regan

What you're describing sounds like cramps.  Someone else mentioned Sprio causing you to retain Potassium, which is true, and electrolyte imbalances can cause you to have cramps (especially sodium and potassium imbalances).  Avoid foods high in potassium (banannas are the most common).
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westminstersub

Quote from: Failcake on November 03, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
First day of HRT, horrible horrible migraine that combined with some uhm excitement kept me awake till 6am -__-, I was also worried about DVTs but I don't think it's a huge risk that early on.

I would say the headache is due to the emotion and excitement of starting the journey... I have them now and I am not yet started!
:)
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westminstersub

I think that keeping yourself hydrated, (usually filtered water is the best thing), is always a good idea.

It will help the kidneys in their function, and since we are taking pills and making the liver work on them, those things also go to the blood, and the kidneys have to filter them. The more water we have (too much is not good either), the less stress we will put in our kidneys.

I like to have always a glass of water in my table, and drink from it every now and then. I do it now, even before taking hormones, and I will do it even more when I start.

It's a good health habit... and it gives you the time to relax at work too, and make a break every now and then.

creams/body lotions are always a good idea. I guess I will be much more regular on that once I am started! No I only do it once every week...
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Debra

Yep bathroom a lot, drink lots of water. I've only had one night of a charlie horse in 11 months of HRT so far though

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Epigania

Thankfully, I have not had any other cramps since Sunday.   I think that my body was just confused but all is good now.

Considering what I am doing to my body, it's amazing how little shock my body has gone through. 


adaralove

it will only get better from here...
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Nicky

I now get frequent headaches. I never did before. I call them hormone headaches.

This is spoken about, but I can't get it up. That suits me fine. But I know for some people with partners that still desire that part of them to work it could be distressing. When I do get an erection is painful.
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K8

Quote from: Nicky on November 05, 2010, 06:06:15 PM
This is spoken about, but I can't get it up. That suits me fine. But I know for some people with partners that still desire that part of them to work it could be distressing. When I do get an erection is painful.

Me too.  Before GRS, I would sometimes check to see if things still worked.  Erections were difficult and ejaculation was painful rather than relieving.  The whole procedure became distressing.  I'm glad that's not an issue anymore. :P

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Nicky

Yeah, I checked once too K8, and totally did not enjoy it at all.  I did get it to 'work', it has been a few months since then. Sometime I am tempted to give it a whirl out of curiosity, but I really don't have any desire to.

Yup, 4 months time I'm gonna be 8 inches shorter and a couple pounds lighter lol  ;)

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