Why don't I pass?

[Britney♥Bieber]

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So these pics are me on Halloween and it was mostly people I didn't know. A group of people told me like halfway through the night that they were really convinced that I was a girl and that I made a really convincing girl. I really wish I knew how they knew, so I was hoping you guys might have some answers?

[Elijah3291]

you dont pass?? O-o

what? you look completely cisgender to me, very cute too

[Britney♥Bieber]

omg thanks! Maybe it's cuz I had the wig off at one point and I didn't change my voice idk!

[Elijah3291]

that was probably it.. keep the hair long and work on your voice and im sure you will pass fine

[Janet_Girl]

It would depend on when they said that you made a convincing girl.  Because looking at the pictures, you are very much a GG.  That outfit was way too cute.

I could never get away with it, but you rocked it.

[Britney♥Bieber]

Thanks Elijah and Janet! I'm growing my hair out and working on my voice (according to friends I don't need to change it. Idk you tell me haha I use my regular voice on my vlogs) And Janet I felt like I looked like a street walker lol! Thanks though

[Cameron James]

If anything kept you from passing, I'd say it was the wig itself. If they could tell it was a wig up close and personal, then that's probably what tipped them off. Besides the wig you look very passable.

[Janet_Girl]

I have heard your voice and you sound very much female.  So it has to have been when you removed the wig.  Or some one told.

Ether way you should not worry about it.  You will do fine.

[Britney♥Bieber]

Thanks everyone! Seeing myself, I was so shocked at how good I looked. I was in shock but I was so happy.

[Tammy Hope]

also, keep in mind that since it was Halloween and people were wearing costumes, everyone was attuned to look for pretense.

On the other hand, on the average trip to the mall, almost no one is thinking that someone around them is hiding anything so they are not looking for it.

[long.897]

I haven't seen you actually walking so i can't comment, but the way you hold yourself in the third picture gives it away to some extent.  Maybe I'm just being crazy, but I feel like when most women are just standing, their feet are pointing outward to some degree.  Yours are parallel, if not slightly pigeon toed; this gives an impression of lack of balance in the shoe, typical of someone not used to high heels.  Girls early in their transition are often still learning to walk in heels, and tada, there's the link.

I also feel like women rarely stand with their feet "next" to each other.  One foot is usually either ahead of, or behind the other.  See examples:

http://www.oncologico.bari.it/laboratorio/bioinformaticsnews/images/losc_group.jpg
http://www.kinetixwv.com/Images/women%20entrepreneurs.jpg

Once again, take what I say with a grain of salt.  Just a personal observation.  On an unrelated note, I hadn't realized how hard it is to use google and NOT find porn.  I probably tried a dozen variations of "girls standing" "women talking" etc; people are filthy. 

Cheers. 

EDIT Unfortunately, my first link prevents linking from an outside source.  Edited to remove the broken link. 

[Zoi]

you 100% passssssssss
let me guess your friends said that u dont pass lol common problem cause they are used to you so they wont see anything different or got used to you

i saw the pics and in my opinion  ur doing a great job at passing

[Ashley Allison]

Hey there Brittany!! I think you totally pass from the pics... I think people were just uppity on halloween because it is halloween.  I think it was just the wig, but you face and body looks just like a gg!

[Britney♥Bieber]

also, keep in mind that since it was Halloween and people were wearing costumes, everyone was attuned to look for pretense.

On the other hand, on the average trip to the mall, almost no one is thinking that someone around them is hiding anything so they are not looking for it.

That's really true, I hadn't thought of that haha.

I haven't seen you actually walking so i can't comment, but the way you hold yourself in the third picture gives it away to some extent.  Maybe I'm just being crazy, but I feel like when most women are just standing, their feet are pointing outward to some degree.  Yours are parallel, if not slightly pigeon toed; this gives an impression of lack of balance in the shoe, typical of someone not used to high heels.  Girls early in their transition are often still learning to walk in heels, and tada, there's the link.

I also feel like women rarely stand with their feet "next" to each other.  One foot is usually either ahead of, or behind the other.  See examples:

http://www.oncologico.bari.it/laboratorio/bioinformaticsnews/images/losc_group.jpg
http://www.kinetixwv.com/Images/women%20entrepreneurs.jpg

Once again, take what I say with a grain of salt.  Just a personal observation.  On an unrelated note, I hadn't realized how hard it is to use google and NOT find porn.  I probably tried a dozen variations of "girls standing" "women talking" etc; people are filthy. 

Cheers. 

EDIT Unfortunately, my first link prevents linking from an outside source.  Edited to remove the broken link. 

That could be something, but I don't normally stand like that, it was just for fun haha. Actually looking back at it I was like my feet are really straight and it looked odd. A bunch of girls complimented me on them and were like I'd die if I wore those, you rock them etc. I was like omg ty

you 100% passssssssss
let me guess your friends said that u dont pass lol common problem cause they are used to you so they wont see anything different or got used to you

i saw the pics and in my opinion  ur doing a great job at passing

Well my bestie and sisters and I couldn't come up with a reason of how they knew. It was the ppl I didn't know who were like omg!
But that's true =/

Hey there Brittany!! I think you totally pass from the pics... I think people were just uppity on halloween because it is halloween.  I think it was just the wig, but you face and body looks just like a gg!

Aww thanks! I actually went into Safeway with my sister and I didn't wear the wig and the lady was like thanks girls! We died! Haha

[rejennyrated]

Ok - honest opinion?

Right - first two pics very good indeed 10/10 - no problems there. I agree from those two pics you look excellent.

Last pic definitely needs work. To my eye there is something very wrong about that pose. It's something to do with the position of your legs, feet and the way you are holding your arms. In fact the whole body posture is wrong somehow. It looks kind of squared up and too solidly "there" if you see what I mean. I don't know if that makes any sense I'm at the edge of conceptual language here.

Now DON'T get worried about this because mostly it will come naturally as HRT redistributes your body fat and weight and also you will just get used to things so really please don't panic at this stage.

Also bear in mind that mine is a trained eye, so don't go getting all down about this because I have seen a LOT LOT worse, but to be honest in that last pic I would have picked you out in less than a second if I didn't know you.

Sorry  I am really not trying to be unkind here but you asked for honest feedback and I see no point in sugar coating it or you simply won't learn anything.

The good news is you did LOADS BETTER than many do and I'm sure you will perfect it all very soon. 

[kyril]

It's the wig, Britney - the fact that it's so clearly not "you." When people see hair that's obviously a wig, especially in a Halloween context, they automatically try to figure out what the person under it "really" looks like.

Your natural hair, or maybe a natural-looking wig, would eliminate that issue. You used to have an avatar with what I think is your natural hair (short curly auburn?) and that passed just fine.

I'm not going to pick apart your posture in the last photo, you just look like you were playing around (the way you were standing and the face you were making go just fine with the Ke$ha-esque look you had going on)

[pebbles]

Well your boobs look stuffed but honestly your very passable and your already turning me into a big ball of envy again

[Britney♥Bieber]

Ok - honest opinion?

Right - first two pics very good indeed 10/10 - no problems there. I agree from those two pics you look excellent.

Last pic definitely needs work. To my eye there is something very wrong about that pose. It's something to do with the position of your legs, feet and the way you are holding your arms. In fact the whole body posture is wrong somehow. It looks kind of squared up and too solidly "there" if you see what I mean. I don't know if that makes any sense I'm at the edge of conceptual language here.

Now DON'T get worried about this because mostly it will come naturally as HRT redistributes your body fat and weight and also you will just get used to things so really please don't panic at this stage.

Also bear in mind that mine is a trained eye, so don't go getting all down about this because I have seen a LOT LOT worse, but to be honest in that last pic I would have picked you out in less than a second if I didn't know you.

Sorry  I am really not trying to be unkind here but you asked for honest feedback and I see no point in sugar coating it or you simply won't learn anything.

The good news is you did LOADS BETTER than many do and I'm sure you will perfect it all very soon. 

No I'm glad I'm getting good useful feedback!! But that pic is me trying to be Ke$ha, not Britney haha. But you are right on that one! Haha so thank you Jenny

It's the wig, Britney - the fact that it's so clearly not "you." When people see hair that's obviously a wig, especially in a Halloween context, they automatically try to figure out what the person under it "really" looks like.

Your natural hair, or maybe a natural-looking wig, would eliminate that issue. You used to have an avatar with what I think is your natural hair (short curly auburn?) and that passed just fine.

I'm not going to pick apart your posture in the last photo, you just look like you were playing around (the way you were standing and the face you were making go just fine with the Ke$ha-esque look you had going on)

Yeah if it was short and UGLY that's mine! Haha I hate how short it is But w/e haha. Thanks though!! and I'm glad ya'll didn't think I ws an Indian, a few people thought I was. I was like no I'm Ke$ha haha.

Well your boobs look stuffed but honestly your very passable and your already turning me into a big ball of envy again

Aww thank you!! And my boobs were stuffed cuz I don't have any yet! These pics are me one month on e & spiro.

[Cruelladeville]

Passing comes mainly from 'inner' confidence...not what's on the outside...

Though camouflage (cultural standards of beauty) natural or created can of course help. One of the benefits of the RLE and fully transitioning is that you can also fully relax into the sense and being of woman that you truly are....

It's no longer just a dress-up act... so by definition is made more real...

Early in it was other women who'll read you and children more quickly.... men bless em, if the legs, butt and boobs are doing there thing, oft get lost in that....

But as always the more you are... the more you'll be....

Which is why for some of us changing our lives completely is the only long-term solution....?

[K8]

And passing includes mannerisms of both body and speech.  I have inadvertently outed myself a few times not by the sound of my voice but by what I said.  Passing is the whole package, not just what you look like in a picture.  As Cruella said, it is the inner confidence that shines out.  You know you are a girl and don't even think about it.  How do you get there?  Just keep going out.

You are well on your way, dear.  Persistence pays off.

- Kate