androgyne - surgery?

[receiptgong]

alright I'll just get right into it; I was born male.I don't identify fully as male or as fully female but I desire to get surgery down there to have a womans organ.... now everything I've looked into regarding surgery requires transitioning male to female and being on hormones and everything.  I live in Ontario Canada and I wanna know how I can go about this.

thanks

edit: thanks for moving the topic lol I was having a hard time navigating the site.

[Flan]

going null or female (anatomy wise) generally needs to go through the same hoops as for trans women (2 letters of recomendation).

from the soc

However, if a person has lived convincingly as a member of the preferred gender for a long period of time and is assessed to be a psychologically healthy after a requisite period of psychotherapy, there is no inherent reason that he or she must take hormones prior to genital surgery.

with a good therapist, it's possible to get the recommendations, problem though is with the surgeons (many won't operate on those who have not taken estrogen).

[receiptgong]

that says i have to live as preferred gender for a long period of time.  I actually wouldn't mind taking hormones. it's mainly the living as a woman thing that gets me...

[Flan]

that says i have to live as preferred gender for a long period of time.  I actually wouldn't mind taking hormones. it's mainly the living as a woman thing that gets me...

which is why I noted the need for a good therapist, they should be able to understand your non binary identity and take it into account as part of assessment (note that this will result in a "Gender Identity Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified" diagnosis).

[receiptgong]

alright, so it's has to be a therapist? i was reading that it could be a counselor or a psychiatrist too, I don't live in a big city so finding a therapist thats good and specializes in gender issues like this is gonna be tough to find here I think.  Should I just go to my doctor and tell him about this and ask for him if he has anyone he can refer me to?

[ilanthefirst]

On the FT[anything] side of things, it's pretty common to be able to get surgery and hormones on the basis of informed consent, where you don't have to jump through all the hoops.  Is there a specialized gender clinic somewhere near you?  They might know whether any doctors used the informed consent model near you.

If that doesn't pan out, I have a close friend who's MTF but a tomboy.  She felt that she wouldn't be able to get a recommendation for surgery unless she exaggerated her femininity, so she lied to the doctors until she got what she wanted.  If you did the same, you would by no means be the first.

[receiptgong]

I'd like to know more about this informed consent.  If this is available  why do people go through all the mumbo jumbo to transition? is it still covered under ohip using this method?

I read informed consent is just a patient acknowledging that they understand the risks of surgery so doctors don't get charged.

did your friend live as a female before getting the surgery? did she keep her male appearance while "living full time" and just say that she was a tomboy?

[receiptgong]

everything I google for canada and Ontario says 1-2 years full time and hormones before being able to get the surgery(this is through government coverage). I can't find a single resource stating otherwise so if anyone can share with me something that shows this is possible to get covered for, or even a link to someone else that wants/got the same

[ilanthefirst]

Informed consent is kind of a new thing; the therapist as gatekeeper model has nearly 50 years of inertia behind it.  Not many doctors do informed consent, but they're out there.  It sounds like the limiting factor is your insurance, not necessarily the availability of a doctor.

My friend did live as female and is in every way 100% girl.  But she thought that if the therapists saw her as having any masculine traits, they'd deny her surgery, so she femme'd it up for them.  So even though she liked wearing jeans and sneakers, she wore skirts and dress sandals when seeing doctors.  She also didn't tell them that she liked sports or any other typically male activities because she was afraid they'd say she wasn't female enough, even though she just happens to be a girl who likes some activities associated with boys.

[receiptgong]

I guess I'll talk to some professionals in my area to find these answers.