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Why is porn so often linked to transexual?

Started by Jalene E., November 11, 2010, 09:09:50 AM

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Jalene E.

It seems that so many sites that are for transexuals have links to transexual porn. I have spent so many years searching for a good transexual site that does not allow porn of any type. I found this site and I like it because it is not full of trash talk and porn. This site and Lynn Conway and her links are the only site that deal with transexual issues that I have book marked. I have been on some sites that seem really good but then there it is, a porn link. Why is porn so prominent on so many sites?

Personally I think it's disgusting and the garbage that is promoted on porn sites does not even come close to representing transexual woman. I have heard many guys make comments about transexuals that is clearly a repeated statement from porn sites. I can't help but believe that many of these sites put us in a negative view.

Have a peachy day,

Jalene
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Cruelladeville

I used to post on a freebie dating friendship site for a wee while....

And they carried adds for amongst other thangs.... sites offering married folk affairs/flings?

Why?

(Show me the money)

And men bless em just can't resist paying for it..... silly billies....  :laugh:
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pheonix

Whether we like it or not, we're a fetish for lots of people.  It's one of the most popular genres of pr0n.  I don't know that even as transsexuality is legitimized, the pr0n link will ever go away.  We're exotic.

We're not alone.  Look towards a woman who hates pr0n and has large breasts... she will never get rid of large breast pr0n either.
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Epigania

Quote from: pheonix on November 12, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
Whether we like it or not, we're a fetish for lots of people.  It's one of the most popular genres of pr0n.  I don't know that even as transsexuality is legitimized, the pr0n link will ever go away.  We're exotic.

We're not alone.  Look towards a woman who hates pr0n and has large breasts... she will never get rid of large breast pr0n either.

Exactly.   We're a fetish for a lot of men.   If you talk to them, a lot will use phrases like "Best of both worlds" which always makes me feel a little sick in side.   That's why a lot of us try to start dating people in stealth and come out later after we've gotten to know them, I think.   

The problem is we become overly objectified.   The large breasted woman might keep the guy because he falls for her other traits.   Most men who objectify us just want to fulfill a fantasy and then go back to their other girlfriends.

The problem we face, I think, is that we're so uncommon out there that the world's only exposure to us is through porn or bad exploitation comedy films.  Nobody can take us serious.

JennaLee

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Epigania

Here's a touch of reality for you:

People blindly follow what their holy persons tell them is in their holy scripts as truth without taking the time and effort to determine if it's true.   They go so far as to kill or hurt other people based on that information.   

Entire swaths of the US elect their officials based on what the news channels tell them, but never bother to validate that the news channels are actually correct.

The truth is, people are brain dead, moronic, and pathetic.   Not everyone out there, but a vast amount of people out there are.   

A

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juliemac

I think its boobie envy.
"See HE has a dick AND tits!" Oooooo....

The guy I was seeing for a few years played stright to the public, but was a switch hitter  :)

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marissak

Quote from: A on November 12, 2010, 07:14:16 PM
With "->-bleeped-<-s", they can say "She's got a dick, but she's still a girl ! I can be turned on even though I'm straight."

I wish that were true in all cases. A number of transsexuals were murdered because the men who were interested in them were homophobic and did not want anyone to know that the girl they were interested in was born male.

I believe the sexual arousal among males towards "->-bleeped-<-s" is (as others have pointed out) a fetish. Trans people are not common and are not accepted. Just as people have fetishes towards other taboos in society, they have a fetish towards trans people. The word "->-bleeped-<-" denigrates trans people to just their genitals and gender perception. The word dehumanizes the person.

Someone I had met at a conference and who presented a topic on cognitive psychology had done some research through which he found that men were more likely to be aroused by images of pre-op transsexuals than by images of post-op transsexuals. Men who are attracted towards "->-bleeped-<-s" are not interested in them because they see them as female, but rather because they are aroused by the dehumanized "creature" with a human female form but with the human male sexual organ.

There's also a prevalent belief that trans people in their attempt to pass as female typically overdo the feminine characteristics that makes females sexually appealing to men (eg. extra large breasts, wigs with hair looking too good, etc). In other words, there is a general opinion among men interested in "->-bleeped-<-s" that trans people in general are more sexually appealing, although never as a long-term mate regardless of their reproductive goals.
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azSam

Ugh, I hate discussions like this one. But it is a very real issue. I was avoiding this thread because I was hoping it would go away. "Out of site, out of mind" type of thing.

I don't like the label of "transsexual", "->-bleeped-<-", "->-bleeped-<-", "lady boy", etc. I just want to known as a girl. Nothing more, nothing less.

There are some good points though. We are "exclusive" or rare, making people like us a "unique" fetish. (I actually started feeling a little bit sick typing that). I don't want to be a fetish. I want to be a girl. No stupid gimmicks. No pointless, arbitrary labels.

I'm starting to become a little bit upset. So I'm going to wrap up this post. Sorry I couldn't add much more constructive points to this post.
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Dana Lane

Quote from: Epigania on November 12, 2010, 06:29:26 PM
"Best of both worlds"

I hate when they do that! I tell them no, I am NOT the best of both worlds and yes, you are never going get to know me. Get lost creep.
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Dana Lane

Quote from: marissak on November 12, 2010, 08:21:33 PM
I wish that were true in all cases. A number of transsexuals were murdered because the men who were interested in them were homophobic and did not want anyone to know that the girl they were interested in was born male.

I believe the sexual arousal among males towards "->-bleeped-<-s" is (as others have pointed out) a fetish. Trans people are not common and are not accepted. Just as people have fetishes towards other taboos in society, they have a fetish towards trans people. The word "->-bleeped-<-" denigrates trans people to just their genitals and gender perception. The word dehumanizes the person.

Someone I had met at a conference and who presented a topic on cognitive psychology had done some research through which he found that men were more likely to be aroused by images of pre-op transsexuals than by images of post-op transsexuals. Men who are attracted towards "->-bleeped-<-s" are not interested in them because they see them as female, but rather because they are aroused by the dehumanized "creature" with a human female form but with the human male sexual organ.

There's also a prevalent belief that trans people in their attempt to pass as female typically overdo the feminine characteristics that makes females sexually appealing to men (eg. extra large breasts, wigs with hair looking too good, etc). In other words, there is a general opinion among men interested in "->-bleeped-<-s" that trans people in general are more sexually appealing, although never as a long-term mate regardless of their reproductive goals.

Very interesting! Thanks for posting. btw, I wonder if some of their attraction to transsexuals could be affected by pheromones and possibly the 'not smelling like a guy'. Who knows...interesting to ponder about.
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Former TS Separatist who feels deep regret
http://www.transadvocate.com/category/dana-taylor
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jamherst

I don't think it's just porn--it's just the simple fact that people want more and more.

'Best of both worlds' is true.

I've had straight men stalk me after realizing how well they get along with me due to my male brain but still try to convince me to physically stay a female so that they can be at mental peace with themselves. It's sick.

It's even sicker when I see how many people see mtfs as sex objects and fetishes. Damn tgirls just want the same respect and care as any other girl would. Having been socialized as a girl and knowing what girls expect, I can't explain how utterly dehumanizing society's behavior towards tgirls is.
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tekla

Transgirls are far less a fetish than a lot of other things, I doubt they really break the top ten, perhaps not even the top 20.  There is pretty much porn for everything, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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azSam

Errr... Why do I keep clicking back into this thread?!

How can they actually do this? The main focal point is their penis. "omg it's a girl with a wing-wang!". Sorry but no thanks. I'd prefer to not even admit it exists. (the wing wang that is). Yet these girls glorify it. Infuriating.
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Epigania

Quote from: SamanthaFLA on November 13, 2010, 09:19:39 AM
Errr... Why do I keep clicking back into this thread?!

How can they actually do this? The main focal point is their penis. "omg it's a girl with a wing-wang!". Sorry but no thanks. I'd prefer to not even admit it exists. (the wing wang that is). Yet these girls glorify it. Infuriating.

I think most of us would prefer not to acknowledge its existence.  Especially during sex.   But a lot of the "One night stand" ->-bleeped-<-s out there don't understand that.   

I've talked to a few random "admirers" who have had multiple long term relationships with Transgendered people who understand and accept that and work around it.   But that's because they've known one of us long enough to understand how it makes us feel.   

The question is, if Springer and Porn is your only exposure to us, how are you suppose to understand that?  While we hate to talk about it, it's sort of our responsibility to help our partners understand that, I think.

azSam

Quote from: Epigania on November 13, 2010, 09:53:49 AMThe question is, if Springer and Porn is your only exposure to us, how are you suppose to understand that?  While we hate to talk about it, it's sort of our responsibility to help our partners understand that, I think.

I completely agree. I made it very clear to my BF, albeit reluctantly because I actually kind of hate talking about it, that I would prefer to not even acknowledge that it exists. He seems to agree, he seems to dislike my "inconvenience" as much as I do. He doesn't want to touch it, or even look at it. Which is great!
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Elsa

Quote from: SamanthaFLA on November 13, 2010, 09:19:39 AM
Errr... Why do I keep clicking back into this thread?!

How can they actually do this? The main focal point is their penis. "omg it's a girl with a wing-wang!". Sorry but no thanks. I'd prefer to not even admit it exists. (the wing wang that is). Yet these girls glorify it. Infuriating.

:o
The reason why these girls are involved in the porn industry is because they have no other options for jobs and are forced into it ... I know this as I live in a country where transsexual/transgendered person dont have access to their legal and constitutional rights because everything has either gender: male or female on it. and if I answer incorrectly/lie about it I could be fired or worse... as I would also require my birth certificate to prove it... however even though this is long and painful process it is still legally possible ... there are countries such as Thailand and many South American and Asian countries which are far worse , there they do not have  access to even basic health care and have to resort to either begging or prostitution in comparison to which the porn industry would seem like heaven...  :(
I live in a conservative country (India) and have just started HRT (3weeks) my biggest fear is being kicked out of my home & job and forced onto the street with no money... this is a very real and sadly all too often a common occurrence in many countries such as my own (and my own is more liberal than many of the neighboring countries)  :-\ :'(

As long as people have some fetish or the other .. which they have had since the Ice Age (not the movie) or the time of Adam & Eve (if u believe in the bible) ... there is a good chance transgendered/transsexuals will be one of those fetishes (it is also one of the oldest)

No matter how much I wish everything I just said is not true it ... it sadly is reality  :'(  :embarrassed:
PS: Dont misunderstand me I hate what the porn industry does to tgirls too...  :icon_userfriendly:
Sometimes when life is a fight - we just have to fight back and say screw you - I want to live.

Sometimes we just need to believe.
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azSam

Quote from: Vibes6 on November 13, 2010, 01:06:58 PM
:o
The reason why these girls are involved in the porn industry is because they have no other options for jobs and are forced into it ... I know this as I live in a country where transsexual/transgendered person dont have access to their legal and constitutional rights because everything has either gender: male or female on it.

I understand the desperation. I really really reallllly do. It still doesn't keep it from upsetting me. I'm not mad at the girls directly. I'm just upset about negative consequences of what they're doing.

I see it this way. We are all split into 2 categories. Porn Transsexuals, and Regular Transsexuals.

Regular transsexuals tend to stay stealthy, more or less. They don't advertise the fact that they are transsexual, they just try to live life, happily. No one really knows about them, a lot tend to just blend in.

Porn Transsexuals is what the general public tends to see transsexualism as. Because they have nothing else to compare us with.

It makes me sad that all of this negative stigma about transsexuals exist. I would venture to guess that only a very small percentage of us are actually in porn. But that small percentage is all anyone knows. So the rest of us are forced to walk around with that label.
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peggygee

Quote from: marissak on November 12, 2010, 08:21:33 PM

Someone I had met at a conference and who presented a topic on cognitive psychology had done some research through which he found that men were more likely to be aroused by images of pre-op transsexuals than by images of post-op transsexuals. Men who are attracted towards "->-bleeped-<-s" are not interested in them because they see them as female, but rather because they are aroused by the dehumanized "creature" with a human female form but with the human male sexual organ.

There's also a prevalent belief that trans people in their attempt to pass as female typically overdo the feminine characteristics that makes females sexually appealing to men (eg. extra large breasts, wigs with hair looking too good, etc). In other words, there is a general opinion among men interested in "->-bleeped-<-s" that trans people in general are more sexually appealing, although never as a long-term mate regardless of their reproductive goals.


Quote from: SamanthaFLA on November 13, 2010, 01:34:23 PM
I understand the desperation. I really really reallllly do. It still doesn't keep it from upsetting me. I'm not mad at the girls directly. I'm just upset about negative consequences of what they're doing.

I see it this way. We are all split into 2 categories. Porn Transsexuals, and Regular Transsexuals.

Regular transsexuals tend to stay stealthy, more or less. They don't advertise the fact that they are transsexual, they just try to live life, happily. No one really knows about them, a lot tend to just blend in.

Porn Transsexuals is what the general public tends to see transsexualism as. Because they have nothing else to compare us with.

It makes me sad that all of this negative stigma about transsexuals exist. I would venture to guess that only a very small percentage of us are actually in porn. But that small percentage is all anyone knows. So the rest of us are forced to walk around with that label.

I agree with what many others have said, that porn, Maury, Springer, et al. are the usual means of exposure for most people.

Via those mediums transwomen are usually portrayed as hyper-sexual, overly-feminized cariactures of women. We are seen as women who are sexually promiscuous, either for free or for pay. With us men feel that they don't have to put any effort into intimacy or relationships, and that we are easy notches in a bedpost.

But also as has been stated, there is the transwoman who is not engaged in the sex trade. She may be pre or post op, and for the most part she lives her life just like any other woman. She goes to work, or school, may attend church, has family and friends, runs errands, basically does the same things that her natal counter-part does.

The latter describes me, I live stealth, a very main-stream live, I'm not promiscuous. A man would have to work very hard to be in a relationship or be intimate with me. When you look at me, talk with me, all that you would see is a regular woman. I am not a woman with "something extra", I am not the "best of both worlds", I am not a "special lady", at least not in that context, and I most assuredly would not be categorized by any of the vile terms used in porn to market transwomen.

->-bleeped-<-s have no interest in me, for I am devoid of the fetish object that they seek, I have no penis, I have a vagina, I am also not easy prey, and I must say that I am glad that they have no interest in me. As being in relationship with a man who was attracted to me for that reason would be very disconcerting and angst producing to me.

Post operatively, sans penis I am able to live my life as it was intended. Now when I am in a relationship, it is with someone who values, cherishes and loves the totality of me, and does not objectify and view me as a fetish object.
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