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Started by Sandy, December 26, 2006, 10:04:02 AM

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Sandy

Actually this process will give you a good insight to any decision you need to make.  I've known about this trick for a long time.

You flip a coin.

Heads, you're a transsexual.
Tails, you're not.

Flip the coin.  Look at what comes up.  Then ask yourself how you feel about the result!

The other day I was doubting my transsexuality (again).  Then I decided to flip a coin.  When the coin came up tails, I was really saddened to think that I wasn't a transsexual.

So that pretty much cleared my mind up on that one!

I've been claiming I am a transsexual since I came out to myself earlier this year.  I gave up any pretense that I was a ->-bleeped-<-.  Though deep in my core I still had this nagging doubt.  I never had any of the strong feelings of knowing I was female that some of you other ladies have said you've had.  I've felt different and uncomfortable in my skin since I was very young, but I never felt I was a girl.  So that always made me doubt.  Made me think that maybe I was not transsexual.

I know we are all different, we come to this from very different paths, but I can be very insecure at times.

But when I was faced with the coin flip saying I wasn't transsexual, I knew what a lie that was, I knew then in my heart of hearts that I am a woman.  And at once came to peace with myself.

I also realized that being transsexual is a gift!  A blessing!  Not a curse.

I would never, NEVER! give up this gift!

Goddess thank you.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Buffy

This takes me back Kassandra...

I played this game many times, with coins, pulling petals off of flowers and using dice and rolling numbers.

In the end I got a double headed coin and as I always call heads, the answer to the question "Am I transsexual", was always what I needed to hear.

The path is always difficult, there are many twists and turns along the way and sometimes going backwards has to take place in order to go forward again.

As to a blessing, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.......

Buffy
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Stormy Weather

How to really know?

Because you don't even consider that stage of self-doubt and will crawl a hundred miles over broken glass to get your hands on some pills and get yourself onto that operating table, regardless of anyone who stands in your way and regardless of any sacrifices you might have to make, whether family or friends.

And yes, it is a blessing, albeit a mixed one. Sure, there's a lot of effort and expense involved but personally speaking, the process has made me a much more rounded person and has made me far more tolerant of others. It has also taught me life lessons about really prioritising life's needs, about the importance of steady persistence in a continuous effort, and that there's always a possibility of redemption (in a non-religious sense)...

In short, it has taught me to grow up.
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Kate

Quote from: Kassandra on December 26, 2006, 10:04:02 AM
The other day I was doubting my transsexuality (again).  Then I decided to flip a coin.  When the coin came up tails, I was really saddened to think that I wasn't a transsexual.

I love it!

Reminds me of an old episode of "Friends" where Rachael was afraid she had become pregnant... paraphrasing... she was complaining about how much she hoped she wasn't pregnant, how terrified she was, how awful...

So she took the test, but said she couldn't look and handed it to Pheobe.

Phoebe looked at it and said, "Nope! Not pregnant! Yay!"

And Rachael started crying, lol...

Phoebe of course asked her, "What's wrong? I thought you said you didn't want a baby?"

"Wellllll... I know, but..."

Phoebe laughed. "I lied. You're pregnant. I just wanted you to realize how badly you wanted this."

Tears of joy...

The hypothetical that pushed me over the edge was, "How would you feel if you found out you positively could NEVER transition for some reason? That for some unchangeable reason, it could never, EVER happen?"

QuoteI've felt different and uncomfortable in my skin since I was very young, but I never felt I was a girl.  So that always made me doubt.  Made me think that maybe I was not transsexual.

I only recently made the mental shift to honestly facing up to the fact that I AM a woman. I've always known that I wanted to BE a woman, a female, but philosophically I never felt I deserved to consider myself anything more than a boy who wanted to be a girl. It just seemed too... presumptious? How could I, someone who's been born and raised as a male, DARE to call myself a woman having never lived the life of one? I dunno, it just seemed kinda insulting to womankind somehow...
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Melissa

Yep, I knew about this trick.  My Dad actually told me about it.  He was a VP for a big sporting goods company and he would use this method for firing employees and tell this trick to other people.  For me, I used something similar in figuring out whether I was TS or not.  I took the cogiati and it wasn't the results so much as how I felt I wanted them to end up that spoke volumes.

Melissa
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Sandy

Quote from: Buffy on December 26, 2006, 10:15:23 AM
As to a blessing, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.......
Buffy

Once, when I was pursuing my spirituality through dogmatic religion, I had an occasion to speak with a Jesuit monk.  He was a fascinating and funny man with a deep insight into spirituality and religion.  In the course of the conversation we touched on the orders absolute adherence to celibacy.

What he said explained it very directly.  "Not everyone can accept the gift of celibacy."  To him it wasn't a burden.  It was part of the calling and as such something to be celebrated.

I feel much the same way now.  "Not everyone can accept the gift of transsexuality either."  Fortunately this is a gift that we mortals cannot *give*. 

Only receive.

And celebrated!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Sandy

Quote from: Kate on December 26, 2006, 10:54:53 AM

I only recently made the mental shift to honestly facing up to the fact that I AM a woman. I've always known that I wanted to BE a woman, a female, but philosophically I never felt I deserved to consider myself anything more than a boy who wanted to be a girl. It just seemed too... presumptious? How could I, someone who's been born and raised as a male, DARE to call myself a woman having never lived the life of one? I dunno, it just seemed kinda insulting to womankind somehow...

Kate, I have felt exactly this way.  How could I presume to call myself a female!  I had no right to do so.  That was always something I would use to deny the fact that I was a transsexual.  I hope I'm past that now...  :)
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Melissa

I know there are many benefits to being TS like seeing both sides of the gender spectrum, but honestly sometimes I wish I wasn't TS and would have just been happy living as male.  The thing is that I wasn't and I do kind of feel like I was forced by my body or mind or whatever it is that causes TSism into transitioning.  In some ways, life was so much simpler before transition.  The biggest thing I have gained with my transition is I don't have the dysphoria 95% of the time.  In fact it had been quite a while since experiencing it until this past weekend.  I was with a group of women (mostly stealth except for my GF knowing) and the issue of them talking about vaginas came up and that made me quite uncomfortable (with myself) and jealous, so I know I'm not done transitioning just yet.  I think I ask myself "why oh why did I have to be one?" a little too often.  It may be a gift, but it still is very hard to accept.

Melissa
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umop ap!sdn

That's excellent, Kassandra... it doesn't matter what test you use, it's how you feel about the results. :D

I also took the COGIATI early on and when it said I was a level 4, I took that as something I could show others to justify what I so desperately wanted to do. Although someone told me to ignore the result and just think about the questions.

Quote from: Kate on December 26, 2006, 10:54:53 AMIt just seemed too... presumptious? How could I, someone who's been born and raised as a male, DARE to call myself a woman having never lived the life of one?
I used to feel the same way too!!!! But I discovered that, if you present as a woman and are confident that the real you underneath it all is female, then people will accept you as one.
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SusanK

Quote from: Kassandra on December 26, 2006, 10:04:02 AM
Actually this process will give you a good insight to any decision you need to make.  I've known about this trick for a long time.

You flip a coin.

Heads, you're a transsexual.
Tails, you're not.

I've taken another view and test because it's not about being a transsexual, that's not a state I want to claim.  My test is simple.

The physician holds her hands out and says, "In my right hand I'm holding a pill that when you take tonight will cause you to wake up as a female-woman in the morning, with the body, history and socialization. In my left hand I'm holding a pill that will remove all interests and feelings about changing your gender for the rest of your life, essentially confirming your male-man identity. Your choice?"

To me, it's a no brainer, reaching out my hand to her I say, "The right hand please."

--Susan--

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cindianna_jones

Let's see...

Flip a coin. 

If it is heads, and you still want to whack off Mr. Johnson, flip it again.
If it is tails, put the decision off until tomorrow.

Cindi
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misty

my dice says female.........on every face

always has...............its lovely

misty xxx
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Shana A

Hmmm, perhaps if you visit this section of the forums approximately 17 times per hour, you might be TS?  ;)

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Julie Marie

Sandy, I think I've looked at this every which way but Sunday. Is that how the saying goes?  Doesn't make sense... anyway... 

A few years ago I found the COGATI test and took it.  I tried to skew it a little so it would come up saying I was female inside.  When it came up Probable Transsexual I started to cry.  I knew it was right but also knew what that meant, in terms of my future.  This really bothered me.  About a week later I took it again making sure I answered every question completely honestly.  I has hoping for a lower score.  I wasn't ready to lose everything.  When the new results came up it said Classic Transsexual.  I scored higher!  I ultimately convinced myself to ignore the test because it wasn't definitive and lived a couple more years in denial.

Once I came out of denial and opened my eyes to this beautiful world around me I knew I could never go back.  However, like you, I tested myself time and time again.  Then one day I asked myself if I had to go back to my old life, could I and be happy?  Just the thought of it put me into a tailspin!  No way could I do that!   

Once you remove something from your life you'll know how important it really is to you.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Melissa

I answered all questions in complete honesty the first time I took it and came up with "probable transsexual".  Around that time, I was trying to evaluate whether I was deluding myself or I really was transsexual.  It took me a little bit of time to accept that I really was TS.  I mean it just seemed so unreal and looking at statistics, unlikely.  I took it later on much further in my transition and because I had actually had some more experience with living as female, some of the answers had changed.  Again, I answered all questions completely honestly and this time got "classic transsexual".  Both times I was completely open to any result and I didn't take it as gospel, but rather as just another data point in figuring stuff out.

Melissa
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Lori

Quote from: zythyra on December 28, 2006, 01:14:04 PM
Hmmm, perhaps if you visit this section of the forums approximately 17 times per hour, you might be TS?  ;)

zythyra

lol, I may do it 17 times a day ....does that qualify?
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Sandy

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 28, 2006, 01:37:19 PM

A few years ago I found the COGATI test and took it.  I tried to skew it a little so it would come up saying I was female inside.  When it came up Probable Transsexual I started to cry.  I knew it was right but also knew what that meant, in terms of my future.  This really bothered me.  About a week later I took it again making sure I answered every question completely honestly.  I has hoping for a lower score.  I wasn't ready to lose everything.  When the new results came up it said Classic Transsexual.  I scored higher!  I ultimately convinced myself to ignore the test because it wasn't definitive and lived a couple more years in denial.

Once I came out of denial and opened my eyes to this beautiful world around me I knew I could never go back.  However, like you, I tested myself time and time again.  Then one day I asked myself if I had to go back to my old life, could I and be happy?  Just the thought of it put me into a tailspin!  No way could I do that!   

Once you remove something from your life you'll know how important it really is to you.

Julie


I've taken a bunch of different on line TS tests.  All of them seemed to have obvious transsexual answers.  And so even when I was trying to answer honestly, when I would pick the answer that felt right to me, but was one of the obvious transsexual answers, I felt like I was consciously or unconsciously skewing the test read me as a transsexual.  I always was of course, but I felt like I was loading the dice, so to speak.

The two tests that I found were less biased weren't TS test intensionally, though interesting never the less.

One test asked you to type a story or message and based on sentence structure and word selection would attempt to make a determination if the person entering the message was male of female.  The longer the message the more accurate was the reading.  I found I could "type like a girl" and enter a message in passive voice mode that always made the program call me female.  That test really wasn't telling me anything I didn't know already.  I know how to use phrases and sentence structure that are either masculine or feminine.  I prefer, of course, to use the feminine mode.

The other test was more telling, at least to me.  There was a test that had you answer various multiple choice questions and then it made a prediction whether or not you were female. The interesting point of this test was that the program was heuristic, meaning that it "learned" what where male and female responses.  When the program was first started it had no idea what was male and what was female.  When you completed the test, it would guess whether or not you were male of female.  And then ask you if it guessed right.  Hopefully the majority of people answered truthfully.  When I took the test a couple thousand people had already taken the test and it claimed it was over 95% accurate.

The interesting part to all this was the questions were almost nonsensical in that they had no obvious male or female answer.  Questions like "If you had to ship a package oversees, would you choose to send it by air or sea?"

I took the test a couple of times and every time it guessed I was a female.  I found I could not convince the program to guess that I was male.

That's when it started to dawn on me that I was truly transsexual and that my crossdressing days were over.  Well actually I had to come to grips that I had been crossdressing as a male all my life.

That's when my life started to really make sense.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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cindianna_jones

Sandy,

Do you have a URL to the hueristic test?  I'm sure that many of us would be interested in taking it.

Cindi
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umop ap!sdn

Also the message test - I'd really like to try that one out.

I've actually taken the heuristic one, but lost the URL. :(
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Melissa

I found the link.  Here's the link to a topic here where a bunch of people took the test:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2241.0.html

Melissa
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