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Family discouraging me from getting on T

Started by Dominick_81, January 02, 2011, 09:51:37 PM

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Dominick_81

My mom and grandmother are discouraging me from getting on T. I'm planning on picking up my prescription tomorrow, b/c I want to start it tomorrow. But my mom and grandmother are telling me to hold off.  But I don't want to hold off any longer. I wanna start T asap. I'm scared to death of the changes, but I wanna start passing as a guy asap. Their making me feel bad  like I'm doing something wrong and evil, and that's scares me from going on T.

If I end up listening to them and not getting on T due to my family having issues with this, I'm done with life (not that I had one in the first place), but I'm not gunna work, I'm just gunna stay in bed all day and never leave the house. I would kill myself, but I don't want to go to hell so I won't kill myself.

My family is just not supportive and it makes it harder for me to get on T b/c I don't have their support. My mom and grandmother said they will always love me no matter what, but they don't think T is the answer for me. They don't think it will make me happy. Of course it's not gunna make me 100% happy, but it will help. 

My mom is afraid that people will be saying things and treating me bad, like strangers. She said something like, " you think you got it bad now wait until you get on T, it's gunna be even worse."  She says this b/c of what strangers are gunna be like towards me.

So I dunno. I really want to get on T but I'm so discourage by my mom and grandmother that I'm not sure what to do now. It's either get on T and get on with my life or don't get on T and stay in bed and never leave the house and be unhappy.  I just don't know what to do.



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Tad

Yo dude there are more then 2 answers. Just because you have your prescription doesn't mean you need to start right away. You can hold off for a while, try and garner support or decided that you don't need their support. If you don't start tomorow, it doesn't mean that you can't ever start.. it just means.. you're holding off for a while, which can be a good thing in certain scenarios. However you could take your T shot, and prove to them that maybe it isn't such a bad thing afteralll.
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Dominick_81

I feel like I've been holding off for too long hoping that I would get some support from my family, but I know I'll never get the support I'm looking for.

I'm doing the androgel, can't handle the shots. But I just want to start this, and I'm feeling so scared now b/c of my family is discouraging me from it and telling me it's wrong. Changes are gunna be slower on the gel I know that, so I mind as well start now so I can get results in what about 6 months? I dunno. I've seen videos on youtube and I haven't notice changes until like 6 to 9 months later on that person(s), face changes that is.
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tekla

Why not a) leave the house, then b) go on T?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Dominick_81

No money or else I would have been out  years ago.  I don't have a steady job. I'm out of work again.  But if they call me back if I'm not on T I'm not going into work. The only way I'll go back to work is if I'm on T.
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tekla

Not working is a luxury few, if any men (who are not named Rockefeller or Kennedy) ever have.  Or even want to have.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Dominick_81

I would love not to work,  but I need the money.
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sneakersjay

Ultimately it is your decision whether you take T or not, not your mother or grandmother's.  For the vast majority of us, our families were against us taking HRT.  They would prefer things stay the same forever.  They have no idea how we feel, no matter how much we explain it.  Nobody likes any upsets to the status quo.

So you do have choices. 


Jay


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DRAIN

so you feel that your choices are
a) start T and thus go to work, be able to move out one day, and actually live your life
b) don't start T, stay in bed forever, lose your job, and be stuck at home with your mom and grandma telling you what a horrible decision you're (not) making

idunno, seems pretty obvious to me which one will work better...  ;)
-=geboren um zu leben=-



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Dominick_81

Quote from: sneakersjay on January 03, 2011, 07:42:41 PM
Ultimately it is your decision whether you take T or not, not your mother or grandmother's.  For the vast majority of us, our families were against us taking HRT.  They would prefer things stay the same forever.  They have no idea how we feel, no matter how much we explain it.  Nobody likes any upsets to the status quo.

So you do have choices. 


Jay

I agree. There's nothing I can say to make my mom or grandmother know how I feel. I told them this many of times.

Quote from: DRAIN on January 03, 2011, 07:46:27 PM
so you feel that your choices are
a) start T and thus go to work, be able to move out one day, and actually live your life
b) don't start T, stay in bed forever, lose your job, and be stuck at home with your mom and grandma telling you what a horrible decision you're (not) making

idunno, seems pretty obvious to me which one will work better...  ;)

Yeah, but I'm still so scared to get on T for a few different reasons. But I know if I don't get on T I will be unhappy. But then again T can brings changes I may like or may not like. The downstairs growth is a definite no like. I don't know how to get myself comfortable with the downstairs growth. I just don't want it. It bothers me immensely, along with my religious issues.
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Nero

Quote from: Dominick_81 on January 03, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
I don't know how to get myself comfortable with the downstairs growth. I just don't want it. It bothers me immensely, along with my religious issues.

May ask what it is about it? It just feels normal. If you're looking at examples online, make sure they haven't had a release or meta. Without that, they don't normally stick out that much.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Nathan.

If your fears outweigh the positives for you then personally I think you shouldn't go on T or atleast wait till you're a bit more sure.

I had fears before going on T but the positives have alway outweighed the fears and the side affects on T that I wouldn't like
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xAndrewx

They've already said it all but when handling your mom and grandparent I would suggest pointing out that after a while on T most guys pass and no one really notices the difference? I had many reasons to start T but one of the strongest arguments with my mom was that if I continued to live in the "in between stage" (no offense meant to anyone not planning on starting T I just felt that's what stage it was for me) I was less safe and uncomfortable all at the same time.

Bahzi

Quote from: Dominick_81 on January 03, 2011, 07:58:53 PM

Yeah, but I'm still so scared to get on T for a few different reasons. But I know if I don't get on T I will be unhappy. But then again T can brings changes I may like or may not like. The downstairs growth is a definite no like. I don't know how to get myself comfortable with the downstairs growth. I just don't want it. It bothers me immensely, along with my religious issues.

Like our Admin, I also don't understand this particular concern.   Gender and body dysphoria is different for all of us of course, but I don't know too many guys, trans or no, who don't want a dick.  Before I could put a name to the organ, I feel that I always knew I was missing something, as if my brain were wired to expect different genitalia.  I'd rather have a very tiny dick than none at all.   

You can say it wouldn't really be a dick, but if you look at enough pictures of uncircumcised penises, you'll see they look extremely similar.  I think some of the recognition issues (in the states especially) come from the fact that until extremely recently, almost all boys in the US were circumcised, which does drastically alter the look of a penis.  Anyways, save for the size and lack of urethra, it's anatomically the same organ as a clitoris, and T can provide enough enhancement of it to enable surgery to provide you with the most normally functioning and appearing (albeit small) penis you can realistically achieve in the foreseeable future, as I don't expect phalloplasty or transplants to have any great advancements anytime soon.

As for your family not being on board with you beginning HRT, it could be that they're just extremely intolerant and resistant to your transition, or it could be (partially at least) because you're expressing doubts to them through either words or actions.  The threads I've seen of yours lately do seem to express a lot of concerns about T, be it side effects and whether it will produce the results you want.  It also seemed at times that you weren't aware of some of the risks and effects (as well as anatomy/ medical info) until someone mentioned it just days ago.  I would advocate doing lots of research, medical and anecdotal before broaching the subject with your mother and grandma again.  You can't expect them to be on board for something with such permanent effects if you're not sure yourself.  If you've got open-minded and supportive friends it's totally cool to discuss pros and cons and fears/worries with them, but with already skeptical and reluctant parties (especially ones you live with and rely on for financial support), you need to be resolute, confident in your choices, and able to answer questions and concerns they might have without contradicting yourself.

And sadly, you need to plan your next move should the dreaded ultimatum be declared: "if you're on hormones, you're out of this house."
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tekla

I would love not to work,  but I need the money.

Really?  REALLY?  It's kind of funny that I work with multi-millionaires who just want to work one more night.  When the day comes that they don't have that one more night, a huge part of their life will be over.  My boss buys trains (not train sets, like 1935 club cars and rehabs them and leases them out), he can (because I've watched) write checks for $250,000.  He works everyday, hates to have a day off, hates going on vacation.  I'm 55 and the thought of having to retire fills me with dread.  Luckily with the economy I doubt I'll ever have that luxury.

While it's true that guys just don't pull out their dicks and compare them they do compare jobs and pay - same thing, different method.  Not to be able to play that game, is to not be a part of the group.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Forum Admin on January 03, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
May ask what it is about it? It just feels normal. If you're looking at examples online, make sure they haven't had a release or meta. Without that, they don't normally stick out that much.

The enlarge clit makes me feel uncomfortable. Females don't normally have enlarge clits down there. Some do yes, but most females don't. To me, clits are not supposed to be that big, they are just supposed to be small where ya can't see it or feel it, or have it sticking out of the vagina. I don't like change, so that change down there, is gunna freak me out.

But you mentioned that it just feels normal, so that makes me feel better. I thought I was gunna feel different down there with an enlarge clit, maybe uncomfortable or something.

Quote from: Nathan. on January 03, 2011, 09:03:38 PM
If your fears outweigh the positives for you then personally I think you shouldn't go on T or atleast wait till you're a bit more sure.

I had fears before going on T but the positives have alway outweighed the fears and the side affects on T that I wouldn't like

I think my issue with T tend to be more religious. I'm terrified I'll go to hell for changing my gender. But those are issues I have to work on.

Quote from: Keiran84 on January 03, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Like our Admin, I also don't understand this particular concern.   Gender and body dysphoria is different for all of us of course, but I don't know too many guys, trans or no, who don't want a dick.  Before I could put a name to the organ, I feel that I always knew I was missing something, as if my brain were wired to expect different genitalia.  I'd rather have a very tiny dick than none at all.   

You can say it wouldn't really be a dick, but if you look at enough pictures of uncircumcised penises, you'll see they look extremely similar.  I think some of the recognition issues (in the states especially) come from the fact that until extremely recently, almost all boys in the US were circumcised, which does drastically alter the look of a penis.  Anyways, save for the size and lack of urethra, it's anatomically the same organ as a clitoris, and T can provide enough enhancement of it to enable surgery to provide you with the most normally functioning and appearing (albeit small) penis you can realistically achieve in the foreseeable future, as I don't expect phalloplasty or transplants to have any great advancements anytime soon.

As for your family not being on board with you beginning HRT, it could be that they're just extremely intolerant and resistant to your transition, or it could be (partially at least) because you're expressing doubts to them through either words or actions.  The threads I've seen of yours lately do seem to express a lot of concerns about T, be it side effects and whether it will produce the results you want.  It also seemed at times that you weren't aware of some of the risks and effects (as well as anatomy/ medical info) until someone mentioned it just days ago.  I would advocate doing lots of research, medical and anecdotal before broaching the subject with your mother and grandma again.  You can't expect them to be on board for something with such permanent effects if you're not sure yourself.  If you've got open-minded and supportive friends it's totally cool to discuss pros and cons and fears/worries with them, but with already skeptical and reluctant parties (especially ones you live with and rely on for financial support), you need to be resolute, confident in your choices, and able to answer questions and concerns they might have without contradicting yourself.

And sadly, you need to plan your next move should the dreaded ultimatum be declared: "if you're on hormones, you're out of this house."


To me, an enlarge clit, is not a dick. No offense to anyone, it's just how I feel. I know in other posts, people have said that the clit is in fact a dick, but to me, I don't see it like that. I want a real penis, something that straight women want. Straight women don't want an enlarge clit, or a small penis, they want a guy with a real penis and I don't have that and never will. An enlarge clit does not satisfied me. I want a real penis that I can stand up and pee out of. 

I'm sorry I do not mean to offend anyone, it's not meant to offend anyone, I'm just stating how I feel for me. This is just how I'm seeing it.

for my family it has to do with religion and what's best for me. My mom and grandmother just don't want to be me go through more pain in my life and be more unhappy.

My mom said she would never kick me out. I always threaten to move out b/c I'm not getting the support from her. But she's praying for understanding, but she said she would never kick me. Even if I'm not T, she won't kick me out. It's just gunna be hard for her and everyone else, including me.

Quote from: Keiran84 on January 03, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Like our Admin, I also don't understand this particular concern.   Gender and body dysphoria is different for all of us of course, but I don't know too many guys, trans or no, who don't want a dick.  Before I could put a name to the organ, I feel that I always knew I was missing something, as if my brain were wired to expect different genitalia.  I'd rather have a very tiny dick than none at all.   

You can say it wouldn't really be a dick, but if you look at enough pictures of uncircumcised penises, you'll see they look extremely similar.  I think some of the recognition issues (in the states especially) come from the fact that until extremely recently, almost all boys in the US were circumcised, which does drastically alter the look of a penis.  Anyways, save for the size and lack of urethra, it's anatomically the same organ as a clitoris, and T can provide enough enhancement of it to enable surgery to provide you with the most normally functioning and appearing (albeit small) penis you can realistically achieve in the foreseeable future, as I don't expect phalloplasty or transplants to have any great advancements anytime soon.

As for your family not being on board with you beginning HRT, it could be that they're just extremely intolerant and resistant to your transition, or it could be (partially at least) because you're expressing doubts to them through either words or actions.  The threads I've seen of yours lately do seem to express a lot of concerns about T, be it side effects and whether it will produce the results you want.  It also seemed at times that you weren't aware of some of the risks and effects (as well as anatomy/ medical info) until someone mentioned it just days ago.  I would advocate doing lots of research, medical and anecdotal before broaching the subject with your mother and grandma again.  You can't expect them to be on board for something with such permanent effects if you're not sure yourself.  If you've got open-minded and supportive friends it's totally cool to discuss pros and cons and fears/worries with them, but with already skeptical and reluctant parties (especially ones you live with and rely on for financial support), you need to be resolute, confident in your choices, and able to answer questions and concerns they might have without contradicting yourself.

And sadly, you need to plan your next move should the dreaded ultimatum be declared: "if you're on hormones, you're out of this house."

To me, an enlarge clit, is not a dick. No offense to anyone, it's just how I feel. I know in other post, people have said that the clit is in fact a dick, but to me, I don't see it like that. I want a real penis, something that straight women want. Straight women don't want an enlarge clit, or a small penis, they want a guy with a real penis and I don't have that and never will. An enlarge clit does not satisfied me. I want a real penis that I can stand up and pee out of.

I'm sorry I do not mean to offend anyone, it's not meant to offend anyone, I'm just stating how I feel for me. This is just how I'm seeing it.

for my family it has to do with religion and what's best for me. My mom and grandmother just don't want me to go through more pain in my life and be more unhappy.

My mom said she would never kick me out. I always threaten to move out b/c I'm not getting the support I want from her. But she's praying for understanding, but she said she would never kick me. Even if I'm not T, she won't kick me out. It's just gunna be hard for her and everyone else, including me.

Quote from: tekla on January 03, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
I would love not to work,  but I need the money.

Really?  REALLY?  It's kind of funny that I work with multi-millionaires who just want to work one more night.  When the day comes that they don't have that one more night, a huge part of their life will be over.  My boss buys trains (not train sets, like 1935 club cars and rehabs them and leases them out), he can (because I've watched) write checks for $250,000.  He works everyday, hates to have a day off, hates going on vacation.  I'm 55 and the thought of having to retire fills me with dread.  Luckily with the economy I doubt I'll ever have that luxury.

While it's true that guys just don't pull out their dicks and compare them they do compare jobs and pay - same thing, different method.  Not to be able to play that game, is to not be a part of the group.

I hate my job so much, words can't describe how much I hate it. I feel agony all day at work. I feel like I'm going into hell everyday.  Thank God it's just a temp job. I like the people there, but I hate HATE the job. It' bores me to death.  It's an easy job but bores the hell out of me. It's not my dream job. If I had a job I liked I wouldn't mind going into work, depending the hours. I know what I want to be, it's getting there is the hard part. I wanna go back to school so I can pursue my dream. But I want to go back to school as a male.

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Tad

I don't know what religion you are, but check out the various religions forums on this site. Lots of good resources. I wrestled with the same doubts at first about hell and such when people were telling me that this was sin. It just caused me to look at my faith more, look at scriptures, look at what I believe, find that the so called guilt I was feeling was just stuff forced on my by other people, and that it was not from God.
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Dominick_81

I'm catholic. I'll check out those religious forums, thanks.
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sneakersjay

T isn't going to be the magic cure-all for your life.  It will fix this one problem.  It won't fix the problems with your mother and grandmother and most likely initially may make things worse with them esp, if they are unsupportive and/or religious.  It won't instantly give you a job and a paycheck and a new life.  Your body will change, your dysphoria may lessen, but bottom line you are still you with the same life.

I like working; but I plan on retiring from my primary job next year.  Basically I'm already working 2 other jobs, which are portable, and plan to work and travel and see what else is out there.  But I will still be working.

My boss is like the people Tekla describes.  He is 78 and still works 14 hr days 6 days a week.  If he didn't work I'm sure he'd probably think his life was over, and it would be.  My dad is the same way.  Doesn't quite work that many hours (same age) anymore but up until the last few years thought he was barely working at 40 hrs a week. I reminded him that for most people that was considered full time.


Jay


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mm

When we take T we will get all of the effects/sideeffects to some extent.  I like ending monthly periods, great for me.  Developing muscle, male body contour great, growing facial hair/shaving not so great.  Depther/lower voice great.  Lower growth, good I think and hope, how will it feel having something much larger down there; will I feel it all the time?  I would sure like to have the length to stand to pee and not have any problems doing it.
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