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Started by Kentrie, January 04, 2011, 03:27:55 PM

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lisagurl

QuoteI could go on, but I'm still testing the waters here. If anyone's up for a good political philosophy discussion, I'm game.

Read "Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America" first.
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Izumi

Both parties suck, for example i am fiscally conservative but liberal on certain social issues, i remain independent because that way i am above all the generic party propaganda and can get both sides of the story and make a decision, but here is what i figured out about the parties so far:

Democrats believe that the government should look out for the people to help them when they need it and give them second chances when no other options exist.  Personally not a bad plan, but communism also looks good on paper, the problem is the human factor.  If everything was ideal this would work, but party corruption, lobbies, and just plain mismanagement is rampant.  The government in its current state couldnt even run a restaurant in washington D.C., how can they manage something as complex as health care efficiently.  I work at a school, so i know how waste is prebuilt into the system, i am sure if you have ever been to the DMV you know what i am talking about, lunch time, a line of people out the door, one teller and literally 4 others talking and eating lunch. 

Republicans they believe the government should stay out of personal affairs and strive for you to do more for yourself (whether you succeed or fail in life is your responsibility not theirs), and private groups to hand out social services and charities.  Fiscally i agree with them because we just cant afford our bloated government,  i dont like it that i have to pay for social services i will never want or need, and dont get the choice of where my money is going.  However there are social programs that protect people that i would like to see keep going, however government would cut if republicans are in power typically.  The idea is sound, for you to do for yourself, however corruption once again rears its ugly head and you run into problems. 

For example school vouchers were proposed to give inner city students a chance to leave the bad public schools and enter private ones, a good idea, brought up by republicans however, petty politics, lobbies and other groups killed it, including the democrats who voted against it which was confusing to me, unless you know they are in the pockets of the union lobby.  Teacher's union didnt like students leaving because it would mean less money for public schools, so instead of fixing public schools (which meant firing some people) they decided to destroy what little chance students had at a quality education.... for what... to keep their power base and money... this sickens me... btw, both are at fault, republicans also fell to the lobby. 

The role of government is to protect and defend its people from harm from outside and within and uphold laws that we set for ourselves.  Whenever a government steps beyond those boundaries problems happen in the long term.

IMO until corruption is purged from both parties, your never going to see the country you want to see...  Heh, if a politician ever did something for the good of the people, they would never be re-elected again.  lol...
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NatashaD

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Quote from: lisagurl on March 29, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Read "Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America" first.

Already have it, but it's in my massive "to read" pile which has gotten bigger since I started my PhD and had to devote my time in that direction. That being said, here is a short list of original and scholarly books I have read on the subjects of politics and history:

On Crimes and Punishments and Other Writings by Cesare Beccaria
That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen by Frederic Bastiat
People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
Patriot's History of the United States by Larry Schweikart (these two should be read concurrently)
Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic. 1789-1815 by Gordon S. Wood (Oxford History of the US series)
What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 by Daniel Walker Howe (Oxford History of the US series)
The Great Upheaval: America and the Birth of the Modern World, 1788-1800 by Jay Winik
John Adams by David McCullough
The Federalist Papers by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton
Notes on the Debates of the Federal [Constitutional] Convention by James Madison
Of Plymouth Plantation: 1620-1647 by William Bradford
Thomas Jefferson: Writings, Notes on the State of Virginia, and [etc.] by Thomas Jefferson
1776 by David McCullough
Common Sense by Thomas Paine
The Reagan Diaries by Ronald Reagan (personal diaries during time in office)
The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive by Christopher Andrew
The World was Going our way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World by Christopher Andrew
The Best American History Essays on Lincoln by Sean Wilentz

I currently don't have access to my personal library, so that list is off of the top of my head. Currently, I'm working my way through:

Henry Clay by David Heidler
The Rise of American Democracy, Jefferson to Lincoln by Sean Wilentz

Do I qualify?  ;)
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NatashaD

OH! I forgot "On Liberty" by John Stuart Mill and John Locke's first and second "Treatise on Civil Government!"
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Kaisa

I'll stay out of the who's better thing. Just remember one thing: no matter what you vote, or if you vote. Politicians have fairly little power. There are the 'corporations' (sounds a bit silly, I know), they decide the products that will be sold, what next years style will be, what we eat and so on. They have so much money that a well aimed commercialcampaign will convince most of the people to buy or do the things they want so they make money, it is afterall their goal, make money. Then there is the media, another powerfull institution of modern times. You can see it now how compleatly irrelevant things go viral on the internet and all of a sudden people are obsessed with something that should affect any of us in the first place. And then we have believes, in europe and the states it's christianity, in the middle east and indonesia it's islam and so on. The fact is that a priest can basicaly say whatever and people will believe it because he's waving a holy book in the air.
So if you want a place where it would be easier for transpeople to live and be themselfs you'll have more success if you try to get rid of weird ideas people have in your area. How to do that I can't say because I don't know very much about the place where you live (I don't even know where you live :) ).
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justmeinoz

Maybe you should start your own "Sane and Reasonable Party".
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Kaisa

"Maybe you should start your own "Sane and Reasonable Party"." I don't think that would work, as long as people have all the crazy stereotypes they have now they're not going to vote for you. And at the moment you have done enough work abolishing all of the stereotypes, your mission is already almost complete. I think it is much more important that people get a different idea about transsexuality and sexual minorities in general. How many times have you heard some priest say your sick and will burn in hell, or how many time you have found some 'funy' picture on the internet where the fun part is supposed to be the fact that this guy thinks he's with a 'real' woman but she appears to have balls? I think you should work on these things first before you can do anything else.
Plus I think that at the moment people start participating in parliamentary democratie they seem to focus all their energy on getting voted for to maybe afterwords make a change, while you  can just as well work in order to get that change now.
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justmeinoz

How about a,  "Join Canada so we can have equal marriage rights Party?" :laugh:
I don't know exactly how the US Senate voting works. Would you stand a better chance there, than in  the Reps if you are a minor party or independent?
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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