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Started by Kentrie, January 04, 2011, 03:27:55 PM

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Kentrie

My family are all Democrats but after reading about how Democrats wanted slavery back in the 1800's I don't want to be a Democrat.  I don't read much about politics so I don't know which political party I should choose. Can someone tell me what Republicans believe in and what Democrats believe in? And especially about what they think about Transsexuals. I would really like to know which party I should support when I'm older.
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tekla

The Democrats (some of them at least) supported slavery back in the 1800s, the Republicans would like to return to it today.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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ilanthefirst

This is the sort of thing that should be covered in any U.S. History class, but if you want the short version, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29#History.  If you want to figure out what each party is all about, follow the news!  I recommend reading an on-line newspaper like the New York Times that has links to background information on all the important people, places, and things, in case you don't already know who, where, or what they're talking about: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/index.html.  I think you're very lucky to have a family full of Democrats, though, based on the way the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (a law that, if passed, would mean you can't be fired from your job for being transgender) has been going: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act#History.
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Clay

when you're really interested in politics you go and read stuff (lots) from all kinds of media (however ambigous, lots of bits for the big picture) and try to form your own opinion. and then you support whichever party (or whatever) you can advocate with your own beliefs... also looking into political classics (hobbes and the like) doesn't do any harm and makes you understand cerrtain issues.
easy way: just check the parties websites and read their pamphlets, but knowing stuff never hurts.
oh, and i had to vote (not that i was forced, but it was an important occasion for me) for the first time when i was your age^^

[edit] i also thought you should get some sort of preparation and education about your political system in school oO
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MillieB

Whatever party you go for, if you really believe in what they stand for, then they WILL break your heart! Politicians just lie, a lot.
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tekla

Never trust what they say, follow the money, they do.
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LilDoberman

Both parties have done crazy assinine things in the past.  Heck, they still do.  Don't base your political party on something that happened 200 years ago.  Read each parties platform (check their websites) and choose accordingly.
--Deanne  :P
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spacial

Without wishing to interfere too much in US politics.

The Democrats were so called because they orginaly supported the principal of local autonomy, especially for states. The southern Democrats supported slavery because that was the consensus at the time.

The Republicans initially supported a strong central government, the Republic. One of the reasons the Republicans opposed slavery was because it was stifeling economic growth.

The positions have been reversed in recent times.

But in any society, it tends to be those who are associated with liberal economic policies that end up supporting most of the major constitutional reforms.
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tekla

Nice try, but no prize.  There were 4 political parties heading into the Civil War, not just two.  And, the political party deal is more a regional style than a sweeping (until recently) lock-step ideology, so that for years the most liberal political figures in America were Democrats, as were the most conservative ones.  Just depended on where they came from.  The South, until the 1960s when it began to change, were Democratic because Lincoln won the war and he was a Republican.  That took 100 years to really change.  But the last gov. of Cali was a Republican, and old Arnold was pretty liberal when you got down to it.

You really need to vote for individual candidates and not parties in the end.  But hey, in some areas thats it's not even possible.  The Republican party in SF doesn't have enough people to field a softball team and most local elections are between Dems and Greens.  There might be someone with an R after their name running against Pelosi, but they were not a real candidate, and did not run a real campaign.  Other places have no real Democrat, but have a choice between a right wing Republican, and a really, really right wing Republican.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Morgan

I do abhor politics in general, but why is this in the FTM section? Isn't there a politics section somewhere on Susan's?




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Osiris

As others have said, the only way to really choose a political party is to really research and figure out which ones best come close to your beliefs.

Here's some basic information on Republicans and Democrats as taught by Lewis Black.

अगणित रूप अनुप अपारा | निर्गुण सांगुन स्वरप तुम्हारा || नहिं कछु भेद वेद अस भासत | भक्तन से नहिं अन्तर रखत
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VeryGnawty

I don't particularly care for the socialistic Democratic party or the socialistic Republican party.  If you must be a part of a party, be a Libertarian.

But really, the only party I want to go to is one where there is booze.
"The cake is a lie."
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lisagurl

There will always be slavery.

"Nobodies: Modern American Slave Labor and the Dark Side of the New Global Economy" by John Bowe
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lilacwoman

slavery is alive and well in most countries including the UK. 
Our police are always finding illegal immigrants aka unchained slaves who work long days in menial jobs for just enough money to survive on.
Slaves quite often come from societies where there were definite caste systems to ensure a slave's pre-slave life was no bed of roses.
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tekla

The only website you'll ever need, who pays who and how much they pay the bitches.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php
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MillieB

Not only is slavery alive and well, it has in fact made a big, big comeback in the last 50 years or so.

If we allow it to happen to others, we shouldn't be surprised when it happens to us or our children.
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kyril

The very, very oversimplified version of the slavery issue is this:

The Democrats, in the relevant part of the 1800s and continuing through the early part of the 20th century, were largely a party of the South, though this was not their only base of power and they were not always the dominant party there. The Republicans largely represented Northern business interests, though again this was not their only base of power and they were not always the dominant party there.

Political parties have always been primarily about representing economic interests more than about any particular ideology, but until the 20th century they tended to be very open about this fact. Representing the economic issues of the rural, plantation-dominated South (specifically, Southern business interests and the jobs that relied on them) often meant supporting slavery. Representing the economic issues of the industrial North permitted (though it did not require) opposing slavery.

Lincoln, a Republican, was President during the Civil War. Because of the war, abolishing slavery made not only economic but military sense for the Union. While black soldiers did fight on both sides, there was an expectation, which was realized at least in part, that when news of the Emancipation Proclamation reached Southern slaves they might be encouraged to come north and fight for the power that had freed them. There was some hope that Northern businesses might benefit economically as well, due to some complex economic factors in play at the time.

So everything worked out, more or less - the Union won the war, the slaves were freed. But because of the way in which it happened - led by a Republican President, the Union had effectively subdued the South and abolished the foundation of a big part of its economy - the Republican Party became even less powerful in the South than it had been before. The Democrats dominated Southern politics for most of a century.

As you might be aware, that's not at all how the geography looks today. Today, Democrats dominate Northern and urban areas while Republicans are strongest in Southern and rural areas - the exact opposite of the situation I describe above. That's because of a switch that happened in the mid-20th century. Republicans had begun to make gradual advances in the South in the 1940s and '50s, but these were slow and failed to match the gains Democrats had made in Northern working-class communities during President Franklin D. Roosevelt's time in office.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 changed that. President Kennedy, a Democrat, supported the bill which would guarantee civil rights to black Americans and other racial minorities. (How this came to be, in the party that only a few years earlier had still officially supported segregation and other civil rights atrocities, is complicated). While Kennedy was alive, the bill went largely nowhere; 21 Southern Democrats in the Senate would not vote for it under any circumstances, and under Kennedy's leadership not enough Republican support could be found to pass the bill. When Kennedy was assassinated and his Vice President Lyndon Johnson became President, that changed. Johnson was able to work with Republicans to find enough votes to pass the bill.

The passage of the Civil Rights Act was historic, but it had major political repercussions. Much as Republicans lost most of their Southern support after the Civil War, Democrats lost much of their Southern support after the Civil Rights Act. Republicans were able to take advantage of this; Richard Nixon's famous Southern Strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy enabled the party to make major gains in the region at the cost of some of their historical reputation for being relatively liberal and anti-racist. The Democrats, on the other hand, picked up overwhelming support from black voters throughout the country (support that continues today at levels of 80% and higher, unrivaled by any other constituency in their near-unanimity). They also picked up support from Northern liberals and middle-class voters, solidifying their grasp on New England and the Upper Midwest where they already had strong support from working-class voters thanks to Roosevelt's New Deal. And supporting other civil rights advances that happened around the same time netted them support from women and other minorities and solidified their support among academics and upper-middle-class liberals.

The end result is that the Democrats today generally support social policies that are liberal; their platform is crafted to please their core constituencies, Northern, blue-collar, educated, minority, female, secular, and urban voters, and so generally supports racial equality, GLBT rights (gays and trans people cluster in urban areas and are a noticeable constituency for Dems), women's rights, public education, public transportation, and separation of church and state.

The Republicans today generally support social policies that are conservative; their platform is crafted to please their core constituencies, Southern, wealthy, white, religious, male, less-educated, and rural voters, and so generally supports a number of things that I'm not sure how to phrase positively. They do almost universally oppose GLBT equality.

The economics are a bit more complicated because neither party has fully divorced itself from its economic roots; the Republican Party still does tend to support Northern big business and industry, although that industry has now spread all over the country and the planet, and the Dems still do tend to support agricultural businesses and farms, although again that's now much less regional and Dems have taken up support for industry as well (making the parties basically unanimous in their support of multinational corporations). If economics are important to you, you'll need to do more research.


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rite_of_inversion

As Kyril said-economics are complicated.

IMO, neither party attributes the economic problems we're having correctly-the one thinks we need to lower taxes, the other raise taxes and aid people.
What I think we need is to only trade with countries who have roughly equivalent labor and environmental standards, or better.  We ought to figure out a way to not make employers responsible for their employees' insurance-which either means single-payer (one government insurance)or much better regulation of the insurance industry.
And we need to make stuff. I believe money conceals the fact that economics are all barter.  If we don't make stuff here, we get poorer.

My wife thinks, though, that part of what's going on is that after WW2, we had a giant boom because our factories were the only ones not blown up, and that we're in the new, diminished normal now.  Seems logical, but I think we still ought to stop with this "leave no billionaires behind" mentality.  In other words, we don't need businesses to show profits, we need everyone to show profits.

Neither party really seems to care much about most of us >:( .
They treat us like mushrooms...keep us in the dark and feed us crap.
That having been said, the Democrats are likely to horrify me less than the Republicans.  If given the choice between a Republican and a Libertarian, as I am in some of my local races, I will often,but not always, vote Libertarian-especially since we elect criminal court judges here.
Libertarians are right-wing anti government, radically so, so be careful what you vote them into...because they may try and abolish the position they ran for as well as the agency.  They generally aren't as hostile to minorities or GLBT people as the Republicans, but don't think they will like or help us.
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Kentrie

I think I'll pick Republican just to piss the real Republicans off but I need one that's not Democratic or Republican but I'm not sure what they're called.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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NatashaD

Old topic, but it's 4th down on the list (nobody follows politics???) so I'll go in here instead of posting a new thread:

First, excellent points Kyril. I would make an addendum. The Republican vote for the '64 Civil Rights Act was like 88%, which far outstripped the Democrat vote.

To the topic, here's my response:

Stay independent and vote for the candidate you think is better.

Republicans have too many bible-thumping Christians ready to quote Leviticus, the Democrats want to put us all into little "special" groups and have us fight each other for a bigger piece of pie. Libertarians are the group that holds individual rights as a cornerstone, but they're not really a political party and it's by their grace  that makes Republicans only slightly better choice in most matters since they seem to fall more under the R umbrella.

I could go on, but I'm still testing the waters here. If anyone's up for a good political philosophy discussion, I'm game.
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