"You are unstable if you voluntarily castrate yourself..."

[Kate]

From Gay Media Watchdog Identifies Top Offenders Of 2006

On "The Situation with Tucker Carlson", Carlson made defamatory comments about Lily McBeth, a transgender New Jersey substitute teacher.

In reporting on McBeth's story Carlson said, "I'm pretty tolerant of whatever people want to do, very tolerant, in their private lives. If men want to dress up like women that's fine. I think it's dorky, but you know, it doesn't hurt me. If a person voluntarily undergoes castration, that is totally different. That is an act of a crazy person. That's like setting your hair on fire or blinding yourself. You are unstable if you voluntarily castrate yourself simply because you feel uncomfortable in your own sex and I don't want a person that unstable teaching my kids."

[tinkerbell]

I never considered myself to be too sane anyway...you know?

tinkerbell

[Steph]

Hmmm, I think I'm as stable as the next person.  But then wait a second I have two letters on file that certify me as being crazy enough to have wanted SRS.  Well maybe they didn't use the word "Crazy".

On the other hand I guess it's Tuckers right to want only a certain type of person schooling his children, and he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong it is

Steph

[Melissa]

I agree it's crazy if you look at it from the perspective that we are men (which he obviously has and stated it), but it actually starts to make some sense if you realize that's not who we are.  I actually think his analogy of castration to setting hair on fire or blinding yourself is quite hillarious.  I think it says quite a lot about how "real" men feel about their genitals.  I also think it's a large part of why women tend to discriminated against and are treated as second class citizens.  I think some (perhaps many) men view women as "the unfortunates" who didn't get handed a penis when they were born.

Melissa

[Kate]

I think it says quite a lot about how "real" men feel about their genitals.  I also think it's a large part of why women tend to discriminated against and are treated as second class citizens.  I think some (perhaps many) men view women as "the unfortunates" who didn't get handed a penis when they were born.

Exactly. I keep wondering if he'd applaud F2Ms who WANT a penis.

It does seem to be a largely male point of view... I've heard it a few times now. Women I've told are great with it... but men instantly assume it's something sexual and "deviant" and insane just because THEY don't feel this way. What's bizarre, is why don't these people realize that just because THEY would rather die than lose their oh-so-precious penis, that doesn't mean EVERYone feels that way? How can people be so ignorant?

Kate

[Sarah Louise]

Sanity is highly overrated.

Every word in his statement shows his lack of integrity.  It shows he is not tolerant or understanding and very bigoted. 

Sarah L.

[Kate]

Every word in his statement shows his lack of integrity.  It shows he is not tolerant or understanding and very bigoted. 

It's not just him though. I guess males are pretty much programmed to protect their genitals at all costs, so whenever they get threatened, reason and empathy are just go out the window while that instinct takes over.

It's scary though, dealing with irrational reactions, and makes me wonder how to get around that reaction when coming out to men. My boss is a manly man, and I fear he'll react the same.

Kate

[beth]

I think it says quite a lot about how "real" men feel about their genitals.  I also think it's a large part of why women tend to discriminated against and are treated as second class citizens.  I think some (perhaps many) men view women as "the unfortunates" who didn't get handed a penis when they were born.

Exactly. I keep wondering if he'd applaud F2Ms who WANT a penis.

It does seem to be a largely male point of view... I've heard it a few times now. Women I've told are great with it... but men instantly assume it's something sexual and "deviant" and insane just because THEY don't feel this way. What's bizarre, is why don't these people realize that just because THEY would rather die than lose their oh-so-precious penis, that doesn't mean EVERYone feels that way? How can people be so ignorant?

Kate

                  These kinds of opinions are fairly common and this comes from the basic misunderstanding that a MtF is a man changing into a woman rather than a woman who wants to correct a mistake made to her body. As long as this thinking exists (and it exists even among some TS people) the concept of transsexuality is doomed to be misunderstood.  There is nothing crazy about a woman not wanting a penis and balls and the poison (to her) they spew into her bloodstream. The ignorance is not a male thing, lets not blame them all for the ignorant few.

                   As for Carlson, no one has any respect for him since he was the "biggest loser" on dancing with the stars. 


beth

[Brianna]

I agree with Melissa.

You know if people want to dress up in suits and whatnot, that's fine with me.  It's a little dorky, but it doesn't affect me.  If a person voluntarily wears a bow tie, that is totally different.  That is the act of a crazy person.  You are unfit to be a news commentator if you wear a bow tie, and I don't want my kids to be exposed to that kind of unstable behavior.

Or vote Republican. That is SERIOUSLY freaky to me. Off to reeducation camp with you.

As much as I loath Tucker, who lies gratuitiously - doesn't he have a point? Isn't he talking about a violent self-castration and not an orchidectomy?

Bri

[tinkerbell]

I guess males are pretty much programmed to protect their genitals at all costs

Yup!  haven't you noticed that they usually have their hands down there?  I always wondered why this was until I asked someone, and he told me that "it is a guy thing", for they always want to protect their treasure....Okay whatever!


tinkerbell

[Steph]

Men's genitals - their Achilles heel. 

Steph

[umop ap!sdn]

On the other hand I guess it's Tuckers right to want only a certain type of person schooling his children, and he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong it is

I dunno, to me that seems unfair to the kids. 

It's scary though, dealing with irrational reactions, and makes me wonder how to get around that reaction when coming out to men. My boss is a manly man, and I fear he'll react the same

I know a guy who's definitely manly, whom I was going to have to tell sooner or later, and I had that same worry. One night on my way out of the house to go eat he saw me truedressed. Later I had a chance to talk to him so I basically said now you know the thing I was needing to tell you. He asked me are you happier now, I said yes. He said keep doing this. I couldn't believe it, he's totally okay with it! Then he flirted with me.

[Kate]

As much as I loath Tucker, who lies gratuitiously - doesn't he have a point? Isn't he talking about a violent self-castration and not an orchidectomy?

Good point, I hadn't thought of that, though I'd have to assume he was referring to Lily McBeth's genital surgery?

Kate

[NatalieUGA]

This whole comment is most certainly coming from someone who doesn't understand and doesn't really want to. It's almost exclusively a man thing. No real man I've ever talked to has been so "Bah! Whatever!" about their genitals as I am about mine. If they were they wouldn't be called the Crown Jewels.

As for his kid's schooling, he has every right. He just might have to pay for it and send his kid to private school.

[Melissa]

As much as I loath Tucker, who lies gratuitiously - doesn't he have a point? Isn't he talking about a violent self-castration and not an orchidectomy?

You know, when I first saw the subject line to this post, that's what I thought at first.  Then I read it and realized he meant voluntarily having an orchi.

                  These kinds of opinions are fairly common and this comes from the basic misunderstanding that a MtF is a man changing into a woman rather than a woman who wants to correct a mistake made to her body. As long as this thinking exists (and it exists even among some TS people) the concept of transsexuality is doomed to be misunderstood.  There is nothing crazy about a woman not wanting a penis and balls and the poison (to her) they spew into her bloodstream. The ignorance is not a male thing, lets not blame them all for the ignorant few.

Here's a quote from my coming out FAQ for work:

So, why do you want to be a woman?
I am not a man who wants to be a woman.  I am a woman that appears to be a man to the world and just wants to look like a woman.  I do not try and "act" like a woman; all I do is be myself and everything else comes naturally.  All I want to do is be myself, not somebody's idea of what I should act like, whether it's as a man or woman.  Despite having lived as one, I still do not understand men.  That's why the blank looks I may have given a few men around here.

Melissa

[cindianna_jones]

I heard Tucker on this subject a few months ago state that no matter what a man did to himself, if he had a sex change, he'd still be a man... a man in a dress, but still a man.  I don't have the direct quote, but I believe my paraphrase is on the mark.

There are a lot of people who feel this way.  A lot.  I'm afraid that for them, we have no other recourse than to protect ourselves legally.

Cindi

[Brianna]

What a fool. No wonder Paul Begalla slapped this fool so routinely.

Here's a list of five things I would consider less unstable than watching the AWFUL AWFUL show Situation Room.

5. Performing a violent castration with a plastic fork
4. Refusing to date a bow-tie wearing adult
3. Owning a cat
2. Finding a transsexual hater with a last name "Tucker" highly ironic.
1. Being near Bill OReilly and a falafel cart

Bri

[Melissa]

2. Finding a transsexual hater with a last name "Tucker" highly ironic.

  ROFL

Melissa

[Steph]

On the other hand I guess it's Tuckers right to want only a certain type of person schooling his children, and he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong it is

I dunno, to me that seems unfair to the kids. 

Too true, it's always the kids that have to suffer the idiocy and ignorance of their parents.  Definitely not fair, or right.

Steph

[cindianna_jones]

Children are taught from
a very young age
to hate and fear
all of those things
their parent's think queer.

They're taught loathing
and they'll stand foaming
at the mouth while pointing
at something out of their sphere.

Their parents push it
Their friends condone it
Their religions clothe it
in righteousness.

It's quite morbid
to think that's what we teach
unknowingly reaching them
between the words we preach.

Cindi