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Is this "life" even worth it?

Started by Britney♥Bieber, January 13, 2011, 12:51:03 AM

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JohnR

Quote from: Simone V on January 13, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
I'll spank you till your fanny is red!

The joys of American English v British English.
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spacial

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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Colleen Ireland on January 15, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
Britney, here's how lucky YOU are.  Whereas you wrote:

Here's how I would rewrite that statement to apply to MY life (by the way, it's ALMOST word-for-word...)

At least you're taking action now.  And you're not married.  Two VERY wise decisions.

Yeah thats why I don't want to wait, like my parents want me to. Whateverrrrrrrr

Sean

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on January 15, 2011, 09:51:05 AM
Yeah thats why I don't want to wait, like my parents want me to. Whateverrrrrrrr

Hey Britney,

I missed a lot of this thread before (grumble....work), but I'm glad you're feeling better.

I think our parents want us to wait because they simply don't understand what GID is, so they don't want us to make a 'mistake' or 'ruin our lives.' They just don't understand how it feels to be trans or how long many of us have *already* grappled with or waited to make the decision to transition.

Sometimes, it's still a form of their denial or bargaining, as part of the grieving process. My parents were also in the "why don't you wait?" camp, and I asked them: Do you honestly believe that I am trans? Period. The honest truth was a "maybe you are, maybe you aren't." They were still denying that this is who I am a lot of the time, and they were still trying to bargain with me on timing (wait 1 year, wait 3 months, just whatever you do, don't take HRT, don't do anything permanent..). I am being patient about things like names, pronouns, etc., but my family does not get a vote in my health care. The requests for me to wait for them to catch up (which may or may not ever happen) are about them, not about me. They aren't going to wake up one day ok with my transition just because I waited an additional arbitrary amount of time. It really is a reversal where we have to be the parent while they are the children about this.

People who love you who KNOW what being trans is and KNOW that this who you are (not "maybe yes but I'm still hoping not") would NEVER ask you to wait. They would see that living life as the wrong sex is so damaging for your health.

I do hope your parents' love for you allows them to move through the normal steps of the grieving process more quicky, so they can be supportive of you. As you know, this doesn't happen for everyone, but it sounds like your family may have a decent chance of getting there in time. And if they don't, know that you will have support elsewhere - both online and irl.
In Soviet Russa, Zero Divides by You!
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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Sean on January 15, 2011, 10:43:18 AM
Hey Britney,

I missed a lot of this thread before (grumble....work), but I'm glad you're feeling better.

I think our parents want us to wait because they simply don't understand what GID is, so they don't want us to make a 'mistake' or 'ruin our lives.' They just don't understand how it feels to be trans or how long many of us have *already* grappled with or waited to make the decision to transition.

Sometimes, it's still a form of their denial or bargaining, as part of the grieving process. My parents were also in the "why don't you wait?" camp, and I asked them: Do you honestly believe that I am trans? Period. The honest truth was a "maybe you are, maybe you aren't." They were still denying that this is who I am a lot of the time, and they were still trying to bargain with me on timing (wait 1 year, wait 3 months, just whatever you do, don't take HRT, don't do anything permanent..). I am being patient about things like names, pronouns, etc., but my family does not get a vote in my health care. The requests for me to wait for them to catch up (which may or may not ever happen) are about them, not about me. They aren't going to wake up one day ok with my transition just because I waited an additional arbitrary amount of time. It really is a reversal where we have to be the parent while they are the children about this.

People who love you who KNOW what being trans is and KNOW that this who you are (not "maybe yes but I'm still hoping not") would NEVER ask you to wait. They would see that living life as the wrong sex is so damaging for your health.

I do hope your parents' love for you allows them to move through the normal steps of the grieving process more quicky, so they can be supportive of you. As you know, this doesn't happen for everyone, but it sounds like your family may have a decent chance of getting there in time. And if they don't, know that you will have support elsewhere - both online and irl.


Well I hope they will. Like my mom bought me girl boots for Xmas. But then when I asked to talk to her about my transition and invited her to therapy she  just reiterated what my dad said, no theirs nothing to talk about. I've said what I have to say and you're just gonna do whatever you're gonna do just like everyone else. Etc and it makes me so frustrated. One of these day I should sit them down and tell them about GID and stuff. I feel they are really uneducated about being transgendered...but hello so is almost everyone who isn't trans or doesn't know a trans person. I didn't know much except they were in the wrong body and they wanted to fix it. But I respect that. My parents are just closed minded =X or something lol.

Jillieann Rose

Britney,
Your parents are from a generation of many people that don't talk about things that are different from what they consider normal. They just try to sweep it under a rug so to speak. (bad joke) But you get my drift.
And we are anything but normal as far as the world is concered.
I do beleive there love for you will eventually win them over but it's hard for them too.
So hang in there. Keep being you and loving them.
Jillieann
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Shang

I'm so sorry to hear this, Britney! 

I really hope things get better for you and that they'll at least become somewhat accepting of you.

*hugs*  You're absolutely fantastic and deserve the very best, hon.  Keep on with your transitioning and be the best girl that you are.

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KillBelle

I've worked for the red cross for several years and been to parts of the world where kids had to drink dirty mucky water out of a shoe from a dead guy floating down the river upstream...and been to places where transexual women are forced to be prostitutes and live in run down poverty-stricken neighborhoods and arent allowed jobs. I hate to say it girl but those people wake up every morning and get on with their lives and continue to strive and hope for a better tomorrow, they do not have much of anything to hope for but they continue to live and have faith.

It's the same way here, i know your battle is an internal one and i think that in some ways that can be so difficult sometimes, but hey look on the bright side...you are pretty, you still have support, you have your parents, you have your family (as rude as they are) and you still have your friends. You have other TG girls who care about your well-being, and you yourself have already taken the most difficult step in your transition...learning to accept yourself.

Count your blessings, be positive and don't let your family bring you down, they will come around once they realize how happy and fulfilled you are with your new life. just trust me i have been there too =]

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Britney♥Bieber

Thanks so much!!! I love you guys!! :)))

tekla

"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life - daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual."


Above quotation from page 122:
Frankl, Viktor E., Man's Search for Meaning, Washington Square Press, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1963.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Cruelladeville

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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2011, 04:11:53 AM
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life - daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual."


Above quotation from page 122:
Frankl, Viktor E., Man's Search for Meaning, Washington Square Press, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1963.

I love that!

Quote from: Cruelladeville on January 16, 2011, 04:34:30 AM
Learn to whistle Britney!

Always Look On The Bright Side of Life

This still cracks me everytime...
;D ;D ;D

Mrs Erocse

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2011, 04:11:53 AM
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life - daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual."


Above quotation from page 122:
Frankl, Viktor E., Man's Search for Meaning, Washington Square Press, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1963.

I enjoyed this too. :)
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NDelible Gurl

Oh dear Britney! I do hope you are feeling better! Everyone has already chimed in with such support, love, and great suggestions :)

I would just like to say that you are a beautiful, vivacious, and spunky gal! One of a kind  :)

You are young. Transitioning is a rocky road for many of us. We live a life that not just anyone is cut out for. I like to think that we all make a difference in everybody's world. I get my "blah" days and there are days when I'm the cherry on top of everyone's ice cream (mmmm...must hit up Dairy Queen sometime today or tomorrow!).

Just keep taking care of business and be sure to get plenty of outdoor air. Treat yourself out once a week :)

Take care girl :)  {{{HUGS}}}
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tekla

Frankl was a Doctor, a student of both Sigmund Freud and Alfred Adler, who was one of the first psychiatrists to study depression and suicide in depth.  When WWII came, Frankl (who was Jewish of course) was put in a concentration camp and that book is his examination of his life, and everyone else, who under conditions that were beyond horror didn't kill themselves, but instead, choose to keep on living.  Very interesting stuff.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Mia B on January 16, 2011, 10:51:35 AM
Oh dear Britney! I do hope you are feeling better! Everyone has already chimed in with such support, love, and great suggestions :)

I would just like to say that you are a beautiful, vivacious, and spunky gal! One of a kind  :)

You are young. Transitioning is a rocky road for many of us. We live a life that not just anyone is cut out for. I like to think that we all make a difference in everybody's world. I get my "blah" days and there are days when I'm the cherry on top of everyone's ice cream (mmmm...must hit up Dairy Queen sometime today or tomorrow!).

Just keep taking care of business and be sure to get plenty of outdoor air. Treat yourself out once a week :)

Take care girl :)  {{{HUGS}}}

Thanks Mia. I'm having a super bleh day. DNW to work. Just wanna stay in bed and relax. Grr

Glenn

Resistance is futile

Well Britney here is how my day went yesterday.
I got up dressed, Nylons, men's jeans because I have not reach my lady jeans goal yet, a nice purple blouse. Did my short hair the best I could and makeup. Whew ready to.

Got out to the car and it's a snow storm outside so I clean it off with a broom. Start up head to a meeting for a company called ACN. I get to the meeting park way in the back because the front is full already. Walk into the Masonic hall it is being held in. There in front of me is a man I knew for 10 years as a fellow truck drive. He looked at me turned pale, turned physically and walked into the men's room. Not letting this stop me I walked into the meeting hall. Where I was greeted by a tall woman and I'm going to say this. I am 5'11" this Natural born GG was 6 plus with heels on. She smiled took my hand and said "Well aren't we quite the MAN" to which I replied with out even thinking.  "And aren't we more so the lady for pointing it out!" Then I walked on with out another word leaving several greeters and other onlookers stand mouth open jaw dropped.

Britney my point in sharing this with you in your thread is, (life is what you make it.) Your a transgender person you are doing more in life right now this moment then 90% of North Americans ever do. Because you are making yourself.  If you keep this in mind that you are making yourself into what you are supposed to be.  Anything anyone says or does in response to it.  IE mom and dad, Friends, strangers is only a futile attempt to by them to quench some inner problem they have.  Not your problem. 

So be a Transgirl but think Borg when someone resists you.  Resistance is futile

Hugs Simone
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Jillieann Rose

QuoteYour a transgender person you are doing more in life right now this moment then 90% of North Americans ever do. Because you are making yourself.  If you keep this in mind that you are making yourself into what you are supposed to be.  Anything anyone says or does in response to it.  IE mom and dad, Friends, strangers is only a futile attempt to by them to quench some inner problem they have.  Not your problem. 

So be a Transgirl but think Borg when someone resists you.  Resistance is futile

Right on Simone. Took me years to figure that out.
I totally agree.
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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Simone V on January 16, 2011, 01:28:40 PM
Resistance is futile

Well Britney here is how my day went yesterday.
I got up dressed, Nylons, men's jeans because I have not reach my lady jeans goal yet, a nice purple blouse. Did my short hair the best I could and makeup. Whew ready to.

Got out to the car and it's a snow storm outside so I clean it off with a broom. Start up head to a meeting for a company called ACN. I get to the meeting park way in the back because the front is full already. Walk into the Masonic hall it is being held in. There in front of me is a man I knew for 10 years as a fellow truck drive. He looked at me turned pale, turned physically and walked into the men's room. Not letting this stop me I walked into the meeting hall. Where I was greeted by a tall woman and I'm going to say this. I am 5'11" this Natural born GG was 6 plus with heels on. She smiled took my hand and said "Well aren't we quite the MAN" to which I replied with out even thinking.  "And aren't we more so the lady for pointing it out!" Then I walked on with out another word leaving several greeters and other onlookers stand mouth open jaw dropped.

Britney my point in sharing this with you in your thread is, (life is what you make it.) Your a transgender person you are doing more in life right now this moment then 90% of North Americans ever do. Because you are making yourself.  If you keep this in mind that you are making yourself into what you are supposed to be.  Anything anyone says or does in response to it.  IE mom and dad, Friends, strangers is only a futile attempt to by them to quench some inner problem they have.  Not your problem. 

So be a Transgirl but think Borg when someone resists you.  Resistance is futile

Hugs Simone

Good for you! I wish I was that brave haha

Jacquelyn

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on January 16, 2011, 09:29:07 PM
Good for you! I wish I was that brave haha

I think you give yourself less credit than you deserve.

*Hugs*

You are plennnnnnty brave.
"Love is in fact so unnatural a phenomenon that it can scarcely repeat itself, the soul being unable to become virgin again and not having energy enough to cast itself out again into the ocean of another."

~James Joyce
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