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Makes me sad , but I still support and love him.

Started by Angela, January 13, 2011, 09:31:56 PM

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spacial

Angela.

Life has a way of surprising us at every turn. That sounds like a cliche and it is. But I've gotten to the point now where I sometimes, metaphorically, look life in the eye and say, Is that the best you can do? But the next turn just brings more surprises.

I really know what you're takling about. I know the sort of life you were expecting.

It's just going to work out to be a bit more intresting than you had anticipated. (Probably a lot more).

As for changing, we get happier. That's all.
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JohnR

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JohnR

Quote from: Angela Foureira Komninou on January 14, 2011, 06:40:24 AM
Thank you everyone for your support. Spacial, if I had my way I wish she wouldnt transition at all. But I want her to be happy. Besides, Ive known him many years. She says my personality hasnt changed much, Im hoping the same for her when she eventually becomes Maria. I had to make her promise not to come out to anyone , till after the wedding. Cruella, yes I  may be post op many years now, but the way I see it is she was there for me when I needed her most. I would be a very heartless person to abandon her. If its ok for 1 person in the couple to be transgender, why should it be any diffrent for the other, if you love them so much?

Discovering lesbianism can be an adventure you and Maria will be able to share together. It's a beautiful thing you two have going on.
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Angela

Spacial, thanks for your comforting words. John, while you may have a point about lesbianisim, I prefer not to look at it that way. Despite that she will physically for all purposes be female, I prefer to look at it as 2 people who know and understand each other for years. Its only because of my love for her, I would not  under other circumstances never kiss another woman. I hope that makes sense.
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CaitJ

Quote from: Angela + Maria Forever on January 14, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Spacial, thanks for your comforting words. John, while you may have a point about lesbianisim, I prefer not to look at it that way. Despite that she will physically for all purposes be female, I prefer to look at it as 2 people who know and understand each other for years. Its only because of my love for her, I would not  under other circumstances never kiss another woman. I hope that makes sense.

Be careful there; you're coming a little close to invalidating her identity.
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Melody Maia

At the risk of speaking for Angela, I don't think she meant she didn't consider Maria a woman. My wife and I had a similar conversation when she asked for a divorce. She told me she couldn't become a lesbian for me. I told her that I didn't expect her to become attracted to women in general. I was asking her if she could continue to love me. It would certainly be different, but I was still me. She just couldn't get past it. Indeed, any kind of sexual relationship ended with her very shortly after I came out.

In a very "life is strange" moment. My wife's sister came to her shortly after my coming out and told her that she had just come out of a two year relationship with a woman and was so heart broken that she had a nervous breakdown and had to be institutionalized briefly. However she didn't consider herself a lesbian. I had hoped this might show my wife that it is possible to love without labels. That all that mattered was how we felt about each other. It just didn't work out.
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and i know that my heart is my home
Every missing piece of me
I can find in a melody



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Angela

Yes, what Melody said. We are still going to be intimate, I just dont want the tag "Lesbian". This is all happening so fast , Maria has already made an appointment with a psychologist , and our family doctor for next month. She wants to start HRT immediately after the wedding.
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Debra

Quote from: Angela + Maria Forever on January 13, 2011, 09:49:14 PM
Colleen, no offence to you. But I know her inside out as a person. Nothing will change how I feel for her. Wedding will go on as planned.

This is great =) Good for you, hun.

I find myself wondering how I would react in the same position. I would hope I could be supportive but I may have some trouble with it since I'm mostly men-oriented.

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Angela

Thank you Jerica, I hate to sound like an old broken record from the 80s, but my previous ties with her, from high school and college helped. I would probably react diffrently if it was someone I just met last year.
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cynthialee

It is dificult to watch a spouse transition. The physical changes remind you daily that your old spouse has been replaced.
It gets better over time but it is not easy to deal with at first.

The best part is your mate gets to become the person they are destined to be. And that is wonderful to be part of.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Britney♥Bieber

I don't think I could stay with a guy if he was mtf, I wanna be with a man. Always have. Ftm is different though lol

Angela

Aw Cynthia, thanks ! I know you speak from the heart and experience, since you are going through this yourself. Maria and I both say hi to Sevan. Hope I remembered the name right.
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Angela

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on January 14, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
I don't think I could stay with a guy if he was mtf, I wanna be with a man. Always have. Ftm is different though lol
Britney , I wonder if you would think diffrently, if you met a man you knew and loved for a long time, then he came out as MTF ? Would it make a diffrence?
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rejennyrated

Well after 23 years with Alison I am hardly in a position to say anything other than two MtF's in a relationship can indeed work just fine.
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Angela

Quote from: rejennyrated on January 14, 2011, 04:08:10 PM
Well after 23 years with Alison I am hardly in a position to say anything other than two MtF's in a relationship can indeed work just fine.
I got a chuckle out of that. :) I always forget to ask you, are you the person on the left or right in your avatar?
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ToriJo

I've learned that, for me, the emotional connection of attraction is way more important than the physical part.  Lots of married people have to change their views enough to understand that even if their spouse is perfectly attractive today, 40 years from now will bring plenty of changes.  How many today would find someone 40 years older than them attractive?  Yet I'll bet that if I'm blessed enough to be with my wife in 40 years, I'll still be very attracted to her and hopefully she will feel the same way for me - even though I'm sure I won't be that attractive to anyone else (in fact, I can think of few things less attractive than what I'll likely look like in 40 years)!

Expecting a spouse to always fit a certain mold of "attractive" is probably not good for long-term relationships.  And I wonder how much of what we individually are able to accept as to physical change comes down to societal expectations and conditioning.  We accept and stay in relationship with a spouse 40 years from now because we're kind of expected to, for instance, even though few would say an 80 year old is more attractive than a 20 year old, etc.

That said, obviously not everyone wants to be in a romantic, physical relationship with someone who changes in certain ways physically.  I acknowledge that, even though it's not how I'd see things.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Angela + Maria Forever on January 14, 2011, 04:14:12 PM
  I got a chuckle out of that. :) I always forget to ask you, are you the person on the left or right in your avatar?
We change sides - but I am the one with RED hair - Alison is the blonde, and I always change the names round in the line underneath so that the names are the same way round as the picture.
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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Angela + Maria Forever on January 14, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
Britney , I wonder if you would think diffrently, if you met a man you knew and loved for a long time, then he came out as MTF ? Would it make a diffrence?

It probably would. But who knows. I might be able to stay with her but I wouldn't want the relationship to be physical or sexual. I'm not aroused or even interested in doing anything sexual with any female. Then if that happened, the relationship would end. =/

cynthialee

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on January 14, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
It probably would. But who knows. I might be able to stay with her but I wouldn't want the relationship to be physical or sexual. I'm not aroused or even interested in doing anything sexual with any female. Then if that happened, the relationship would end. =/
you might be surprised....

I am mainly into females but I find myself excited and turned on by Sevans masculized traits.
I ussed to hate facial hair on my lovers but it is diferant with Sevan.....I like it on hir.
:)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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