Non-Binary FAQ and Categorized Posts Version 3.4 (11/16/13 updated)

Kendall · January 07, 2007, 10:00:26 AM

Non-Binary Board FAQs and Categorized Posts Version 3.4 as of Nov 16, 2013

**I Retired this post, for 6 years. It used to be the most relevant guide that I know of, to the androgyne posts and issues at this site, as well as the rest of the internet.

History and dates of the Section name Androgyne
Origin of picked name for Androgyne [originally to describe something else, though replaced genderqueer as a broad term] Section at Susan's [titled: Interdressing] [August 15, 2006] https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5578.0.html
Thank you for making a main Androgyne Category, [August 24, 2006] https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5730.0.html
Prior to this date the section was a child board of transgender called: Genderqueer
First Post ever of the original Genderqueer board section "We have our own forum!" [June 03, 2005] https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,208.0.html

Androgyne: Basics
Androgyne: Basics Definitions
Androgyne: Definitions, subcategories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyne. Hear how its pronounced at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/androgyne.
Video: Androgyny - In/defined https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,17034.0.html

QuoteFrom Wikipedia:
An androgyne is a person who does not fit cleanly into the typical gender roles, behavior, or behavior of their society. Androgynes may identify as beyond gender, between genders, moving across genders, entirely genderless, or any or all of these. Androgyne identities include pangender ("all genders"), bigender, ambigender (mixed gendered, interdresser, androgynous) , neutrois (null-gendered, non-gendered, agender), third gender, gender fluid, or other. Androgyny can be either physical and/or psychological; it does not depend on birth sex and is not limited to intersex people.

An idividual may identify elsewhere on the traditional gender continuum, or exist outside of it. Bigender identify being along several places on either the traditional transgender continuum. There are more encompassing continuums which have been developed in response to the significantly more detailed studies done in recent years.

Dweia · January 07, 2007, 03:05:26 PM

Good list...

One friend of me asked am I male or female inside? That's a tricky question for me currently.
Currently I think I'm a cross dresser, but reading more and more on this site makes me wonder $:-\$ $:-\$

Kendall · January 08, 2007, 09:38:37 AM

Purpose of this list
This is meant to bring life into all the writings that have been made in this section that are still helpful. I felt that the current message board sort of hides the old messages and info, even though the information may still be useful, current, and something someone needs to know. This page sorta evens the playing field for even older important posts , and makes looking for them easier, based on what type of information is found within. This also is meant for writers to see what has been written and to help them maybe write something new or write something different. Or tackles something just barely brushed on in prior posts.

And last, it sort of unifies the entire messageboard into a sort of almost magazine format where one could read the articles desired. All of the writers are blended together into one sorta logical book or magazine. Tell me what you think. Send corrections, suggestions, and such to me PM or reply bellow.

Ken/Kendra

Updates

v1.1 1/8/07 added some polls from poll section, and other topics referring to androgyne type topics from TG general and general posts.
v1.2 1/15/07 added the androgyne theory sections which divided from the basics. Also added the newer posts on personal grooming and any additional posts since last update.
v1.3 3/18/07 added androgynous clothing section and androgynous: discovery (I am not androgyne) sections
V1.5 4/24/07 added Androgyne: Confusion, Androgyne: Coming Out/Transitioning, Androgyne: Therapy, Androgyne: Love, Lust, Desire, and Romance and moved around posts to fit these new subcats. Added posts from last update to now. Added Wishy's blog to the list.
V1.6 6/01/07 just added the new posts. No major category changes.
V1.7 6/28/07 added some major new categories. History of Section with some early dates and major posts, divided up Society & Relations into friends, family, work, and society/general. A sub cat in behavior called loosing masculinity, divided Basic up into definitions, statistics, and general. Added a bunch of bigendered posts to that section, and of course all the new posts.
V2.0 7/05/07 divided society and behavior much more finally. Added Gender Expression titles to the applicable sections.
V2.1 7/12/07 added gender identity, gender invisibility, added new large titles to major sections, and updated posts up to now
V2.2 7/26/07 updated posts, then added For Androgyny
V2.3 8/29/07 Updated posts. Made subcategories in GID section
V2.4 10/4/07 Removed inactive androgyne discovery posts, added Frame of Reference to theory, updated posts
V2.5 10/31/07 Very few new posts. A slow month.
V3.0 10/24/13 Updated a few things though it might be somewhat outdated still
V3.1 10/22/13 Updated the version number to reflect the separation changes, and additions of 4 pages of posts in total. 53 pages remain....
V3.2 10/27/13 Updated with another page of posts...52 remain. range is from beginning until May 2008 roughly
V3.3 11/3/13 Update with another 2 pages of posts...50 remain. range is from beginning of site until June of 2008
V3.4 11/16/13 Created a androgyne path section, moved down social and relations to 2nd section, added content from page 50, 49 to go...

KK

Casey · January 08, 2007, 09:07:32 PM

Wow, that's really great! I hadn't realized we'd covered so much as a group. I'm pretty sure I've said this before but we seem to be writing down a lot of what it means to be androgyne, and getting into nooks and crannies that we might not have even thought about on our own. If we're not careful Susan's will be the best place for information about androgynes, hands down. (Gee, we can stop if you'd like Susan. j/k) And this list makes one heck of an index. Great job!

Kendall · June 29, 2007, 07:25:08 AM

Yep thanks Casey,
And especially thanks to everyone that has written an androgyne type topic. Starting them sometimes is hard but vital. And to everyone else that keeps them going by replying and adding additional thoughts and ideas.

The more I listed them, the more I realized also that we had covered much ground. I was surpised at some of the posts I unearthed. I knew though that we have a gold mine here that deserved its own display and voice in this format.

Having said that, you can also see there are areas still not listed or that deserve further elaboration and writing. But at least this will show whats already been posted on. Feel free to add even to the older posts even when you get the message that it is older than 30 days.

And by all means, if inspired to talk about something new, I will fit it into the index.

Thanks again everyone , and to you Casey that has written several of the posts and replies in the lists. And I just added your gender neutral pronoun to the list in its own subcategory since I believe it merits having its own.

K

v1.2 1/15/07 added the androgyne theory sections which divided from the basics. Also added the newer posts on personal grooming and any additional posts since last update.

I just added the material since jan 15 to now into the faq.

I added 2 new categories
Androgynous Clothing
and Androgyne: Discovery (I am transsexual not androgyne)

I felt these were important enough and that we had enough posts to merit their own categories.

Hope this continues to help others and provides as being a usefull tool.

Send more comments and suggestions also if you have any.
Just added 3 new major sections and added all the new material up to today.

Posted on: April 24, 2007, 09:53:42 AM

If you havent noticed , updated and changed the list a bunch this version. Almost called it 2.0. See 1.7 notes for details.

CryoMax · August 27, 2008, 04:15:20 PM

Is there a way to get this post stickied so it shows up at the top of the Androgyne Talk forum? It's almost a year old, but invaluable, and I only tripped across it while searching for something... It really should be "kept in sight" for us newbs.

...Paul

Nero · August 27, 2008, 04:25:36 PM

Stickied.

CryoMax · August 27, 2008, 04:38:16 PM

Woohoo! I helped!

...Paul

Kendall · August 27, 2008, 11:58:51 PM

If someone else wants to keep up and others want it stickied is fine with me. Just mention it and I will agree in writing to give you my written permission to modify it.

Nero has my permission.

Kendall · October 18, 2013, 01:47:33 AM

Added a few more recent additions. Subtracted dead blogs. Subtracted a few introduction posts.

Jamie D · October 18, 2013, 02:18:38 AM

Thanks Kendall! I never even knew about this. It's great

Taka · October 18, 2013, 06:50:20 AM

long list...

hopefully someone will find it helpful.

Lo · October 18, 2013, 12:17:44 PM

Oh boy, tons of polls for me to vote in!

Shantel · October 19, 2013, 12:51:25 PM

Great source material especially for newby's searching for themselves. Thanks Kendall!

Kendall · October 20, 2013, 02:22:43 PM

Quote from: Shantel on October 19, 2013, 12:51:25 PM
Great source material especially for newby's searching for themselves. Thanks Kendall!

Thank you Shantel. It might help. I know I normally only view the first or second page of any forum I visit anywhere on the net, unless I am digging for treasures.

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on October 19, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
I just saw this. OMG. This is the stuff that I always tell new people to go look at.
And there is more than I knew, more than I remembered until I just read through some of it.
I had an older account, I don't know what or where it ended up, but I think it started in early 2009.
These are the words that I have hung on to, and then some.
These are the people who helped me in my own personal journey.
I still have some of the things, stuff that in a few short sentences meant so much to me and still do.
I literally have tears in my eyes and running down my cheeks.
I so miss so many people, people who made an astounding impact on me.
Thank You!

Thanks Ativan, yes this has always been out there. I think I found it somewhere around page 60. Even I had to dig because it moves as more topics are added further and further back. I miss as well many of those listed. I did leave the site for a large period, most of that 6 years, so I do not know many between that first year 2006 to 2007 that I mostly posted. It was stickied in 08 but I had not updated it since 07. I removed that sticky in 08 pretty quick since I wasn't updating it and neither did anyone else and I did not want it to fall into irrelevance.

QuoteThis so awesome, I really am stuck for the words that I wish were here to explain what this means to me.
I am overwhelmed with the joy of reading and so sad that some of these people are gone.
And so happy that there are those who are still around.
I will take more time later today to read some more of what has made this section so important to me.
I am so humbled by this. A history, of how things evolved. Categorized! I find myself, my own history here.
It is home and these are the people who have come and gone, and those who still live here.
Ativan

Yes glad it inspires the veterans as well as possible newer members

Quote from: Lo on October 18, 2013, 12:17:44 PM
Oh boy, tons of polls for me to vote in!

Yes there are a bunch in there!

Quote from: Taka on October 18, 2013, 06:50:20 AM
long list...

hopefully someone will find it helpful.

If not it will again roll into obscurity rather quickly

Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 18, 2013, 02:18:38 AM
Thanks Kendall! I never even knew about this. It's great

Thank you.

I have filled up the 40,000 characters allowed in a post. I may have to split it into two posts if I expand it beyond the first 15 pages of posts (out of the 70 pages in androgyne section). Most of the first 55 pages of androgyne topics are not included except a handful.

I separated some of the hrt, top surgery, and the srs post, since now days it is more common to speak of that which was more silent back then in the androgyne section.

Kendall · October 20, 2013, 02:32:17 PM

I just experimented and deleted the text of my first post following the first post, and copy and pasted the last section into it.
You can click the link to go to the next section.
This is what I may have to do to expand it beyond the 40,000 chars.

Wish I could insert a new post there to have it follow directly.

ativan · October 20, 2013, 03:15:23 PM

Hmm... I've never hit the 40,000 character limit? I didn't know there was one.

How about breaking in two and having I & II?

Trying to find time to look through it, there's so much to choose from.
For the first time in a very long time, I am having to juggle things because of time.
It's weird, I don't like it.

Maybe more tonight. I consider it to be a valuable resource for us.
The more I see, the more I realize this.
Ativan

Kendall · October 25, 2013, 11:34:53 PM

If it is still beneficial, go ahead. It once was one of the sticky posts

Night Haven · November 02, 2013, 08:02:52 PM

Late to the game again, but I still want to thank you for doing this, it's a fabulous resource. It must have taken up so much time!

*Begins rifling through links*

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