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Saturday Night Live 1-30-10; Perpetuating Stereotypes.

Started by Ashley Allison, January 30, 2011, 01:53:01 AM

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Ashley Allison

I just finished watching the new Saturday Night Live with Jesse Eisenberg as host... Normally, I am pretty open to humor, but this Saturday Night Live pushed it a little too far.  It featured a fake commercial for an HRT pill for MTFs.  It tried to be funny, but from my perspective it wasn't at all.  The fake commercial was espousing that it would make one grow breasts, redistribute fat, and the transsexual woman only had to take one pill on the go for estrogen therapy...  Anyways, it felt like the comedic approach they were taking was that people would want to do the "sex-change" process as they called it; that transgendered people are not always passable; and that, in their eyes, we are not 'real' women.  For me at least, the way they approached these issues were unclassy.  i understand people have a right to make this, and that some of the general population think it is funny... But, it was mocking an issue for us in a way that didn't bring anything but non-constructive, stereotypical attention.

Anyways, it has not been posted on the internet yet, but once it is I will post a link!  Just giving an alert to this...   
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Ashley Allison

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japple

I'm of the "no press is bad press" school of thought.  HRT satire on Saturday Night Live?  Aside from the UGHH of the stereotype of the late-in-life-transitioners, satire works because there is a perceived element of truth.  The interesting thing is that it's mainstream enough for anyone to have a perception at all.   Humor is making it a "no big deal" kind of thing, it's a part of the mainstreaming of TG.

It's better for people to think you're a little funny than perverse.  Funny is disarming.
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Ashley Allison

@Japple: Good point on the "no press is bad press."  In some senses, having humor try to cover GID means that it is something to laugh at rather than outright hate; which could be one more step to acceptance. That being said, I thought the way they approached it was distressing.  I felt this mainly because the main object of the humor was that the trans person was wanting to take and taking hormone pills.  It would kind of be like if they purely made fun of why gay people like members of the opposite sex; maybe not a fair analogy, but close enough.

@Laura91: Can't blame you... When I watched it, I was with a group of friends.  Everyone was laughing, but I really failed to see the source of most of the humor.   
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tekla

What with everyone talking about what a great sport Mark Zuckerberg was on the show, it would be a great time to point out where you think their humor falls short.
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Nilisa

I, personally, didn't find it offensive, nor did I find it funny.

I just can't agree with trying to get it off air, though. As I said in the other topic about this, my experience is that SNL goes over a wide range of issues. In the UK we had Little Britain, something I'm sure many trans people are aware of, and I think that show on its own shows why we can't "ban" trans-based comedy. It's a matter of principle in my mind. You don't watch something like SNL or Little Britain if you're easily offended, because they can be offensive, and I suspect it's common knowledge. You just have to look at things like SNL's 'Jizz In My Pants' song, one about premature ejaculation, to see that they're hardly the most sensitive people out there.

I laugh at the gay jokes in shows, the race jokes, the religion jokes - So it's only 'fair' that I have to deal with the trans jokes. If I'm offended, then so be it. It's something I've willingly let myself be open to, and I have to deal with that. If I complain and so do others, and they stop doing trans jokes and censor shows with them, then what have I achieved? I've gone against my beliefs as I really don't agree with censorship on any level. When we start saying jokes about X, Y or Z can't be done, we cause issues and it becomes a domino effect until the point where nothing can be joked about. Comedy is one way for people to cope with issues they have - I bury myself in comedy shows on both the radio and TV because they make me happy, they make me smile, they make me giggle like a madwoman. I, and others, need that to get through life.

Point is that so many people find these sorts of shows funny until the gaze turns on them, until the joke hits close to home. There was a woman in the UK who went to see a comedian who was known to be offensive, and she laughed at the show but got hysterically upset when he made comments about people with Downs, something this woman's daughter has. I sympathised with her daughter, but did she get any of my sympathy? Only as far as her daughter's condition goes. She willingly went to that gig, she was fully aware that comedian was offensive, and she expected sympathy from people about being offended?

Stereotypes are old hat. They've been around centuries, if not longer. They'll be around just as long, I reckon. Rise above them with all your strength, prove to people that that's not who or what you are, but if you're offended by a sketch like this, take it in your stride and carry on. It's not worth getting upset over, because you're letting them win. Prove to people that it's a joke, and that you're not. That's my view, anyway.

There's a difference between 'hate' and 'tasteless' with subjects like homosexuality, ->-bleeped-<- and other issues, and I think this was simply 'tasteless', and not a 'hate speech' (As I've seen it described).
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TraciMC

I groaned to myself when I watched it...my cis boyfriend twice said "This is offensive", and yeah I agree, I was offended.  I have a thick skin so I'm not the kind of person who'd make a big stink over it, and I do understand that humor often trades on stereotypes, but it was definitely offensive to me.  There is a smart way of playing with stereotypes (e.g. poking fun at the stereotypes themselves) and then there is merely perpetuating them (and the most offensive ones at that).  There can be a lot of sophistication in poking fun at stereotypes....now of course we can't expect much sophistication from SNL but the kinds of trans stereotypes I saw in that "commercial" seem to have more in common with blackface minstrelry than the kind of smarter humor I normally see on SNL dealing with race.  The way I see it, normally these fake commercial skits, especially pharmaceutical ones, are directed towards the absurdity of the product.  Here the humor was entirely directed at laughing at how ridiculous trans women are, and towards emphasizing that they are NOT women at all but masculine men in dresses (was there even any attempt at speaking with a feminine voice?).  As trans people face transphobic violence motivated exactly by this notion, I find the humor offensive.  I don't believe the skit was "hate"; it is rather ignorance but one that reinforces ideas that make life hard for transsexual women (and men by association).  In the long run, it'll get forgotten and just blur together with the mass of transphobic discourse in our society.  I just find it annoying.
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xxUltraModLadyxx

i think that show is completely worthless garbage. it doesn't surprise me they would do something stupid like that. the other day, my brother was watching some stand up comedian on one of these comedy central or whatever channels. he was just slaughtering homosexuals. move the hell on already! when all else fails, they pick at the people who are not "normal."
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: japple on January 30, 2011, 03:13:37 AM
I'm of the "no press is bad press" school of thought.  HRT satire on Saturday Night Live?  Aside from the UGHH of the stereotype of the late-in-life-transitioners, satire works because there is a perceived element of truth.  The interesting thing is that it's mainstream enough for anyone to have a perception at all.   Humor is making it a "no big deal" kind of thing, it's a part of the mainstreaming of TG.

I agree completely.  I kept hearing so many bad things about this skit, but when I watched it I saw that it wasn't so bad.  It had a very jesty quality to it, which I liked.  It wasn't Jerry Springer.  It also wasn't particularly malicious.  Distasteful, perhaps.  But not malicious.

QuoteIt's better for people to think you're a little funny than perverse.  Funny is disarming.

Yeah.  I agree.  If this commercial makes someone laugh who would have otherwise had a more obstinate disposition against transsexuals, that is actually a good thing.  I'd rather be perceived as a clown, than as a threat to society.  Clowns are funny.  I will probably be ridiculed by some people anyway.  But if I am a joke, at least my life is not in danger.  Even being a clown is a step up from being completely oppressed.

I know that nobody likes being judged.  But anyone who already understands isn't going to buy into the stereotypes anyway.  I don't think that a skit like this is going to do the kind of damage that a lot of TG people seem to think it will.
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Nilisa

Well said, VG.

When it's an over the top gay character, no one seems to care - or I hear no complaints - but when a trans character appears I hear so much dislike and hate, and it only comes from those who are trans. I've not heard any non-trans people say bad things about, say, Florence & Emily (Two trans characters popularised in the BBC's comedy show Little Britain), only trans people hating them.

If someone's so selfish and horrible that they'll throw slurs like "You're a laydee!" at trans people, then it's not the comedian's fault, it's that person being a... y'know.
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Eve of chaos

All I can say really is taht media like this is what made me think transition was never an option.

I remember watching tv with my family and seeing things like this and being really hurt when they all laughed knowing I always considered it. it really helped push it in the back of my mind, and since I never ever saw any positive media I never knew so much could be don, I honestly grew up thinking that the best i could hope for was to look like the ones in that sketch.

for me it hits a very personal wound but I couldn't say it shouldn't be aired...I couldn't in good conscious go against free speech.

but I do think there should be more positive media, and not jsut the occasional talk show, they put gay people up front in sitcoms all the time now that arent there to be laughed at (at least i think so, I dont watch tv so this is conjecture)

I think thats the best solution, but probably an unrealistic one at this point.

blagh Im just glad I didn't see it with ym family, its reminded me how hard it will be to tell them.

VeryGnawty

There is a lot of positive media, but there aren't many channels that show them.  I was watching an FtM documentary just a couple of weeks ago, actually.
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Nilisa

Quote from: VeryGnawty on January 31, 2011, 01:16:37 PM
I was watching an FtM documentary just a couple of weeks ago, actually.
Was it "The Boy Who Was Born A Girl", made for Channel 4? That was an amazing bit of film.
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: Lairiana on January 31, 2011, 01:21:33 PM
Was it "The Boy Who Was Born A Girl", made for Channel 4?

I don't remember what it was, I only caught the end of it.
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Eve of chaos

yeah Im thinking more on sitcoms though, I never see that. but o well

I did watch trans-generation though, that was a good doc series.

Apricot

I don't think I outright disagree with anyone here, but I have to make a point. Being perceived as a clown is much better than being outright hated, and from purely the perspective of the media, I can agree that it is progress. However, as a trans girl, even though I can appreciate the progress, I don't have to personally accept being given the clown label from the media anyway - because I'm not a clown. Having said that, the sketch was deplorable and as a community we need to let the world know that. Standing up and saying that skits like these are unacceptable rather than saying "well, at least it's not Jerry Springer" is how transgender people, and any LGBT community can move beyond even the clown status.

Eve's story is a great example of how destructive this kind of sketch can be. The people who need to see the information media like documentaries are the kinds of people who don't normally watch that stuff. The only exposure to culture and information a lot of people have is sadly primetime. When a positive transgender character starts appearing in sit-coms and sketches, then a lot of people might change their minds on the subject. That kind of progress only happens when the community stands up for itself completely without accepting anything that is even slightly offensive to our community.
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Ashleyjadeism

Note: I did not read all the comments, so if this has already been said... oh well

The problem is, they make fun of everyone... Not just us... I found the skit rude and offensive, and it was no doubt in bad taste... However, they make fun of everyone and exploit stereotypes other than the quote "sex-change" thing... It doesn't make it right, and it isn't fair, but I don't think we can do anything about it as they do it to everyone...
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