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Started by Kentrie, February 07, 2011, 05:20:48 PM

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Kentrie

I don't have a religion, I just read the bible and believe what I think it means. I need help though. What does the Bible say about Trannsexuals? I want to be with a girl but as my dear friend said a few hours ago, "Maybe god won't let you be with her because you're a WOMAN and he wants you to be with a MAN not a WOMAN." I just don't know if god loves me or not. Someone please tell me what the Bible says.
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Janet_Girl

No human can speak the mind of God.  This is the greatest sin.  Therefore they are totally wrong.  But they say they speak for God.  They would have a front row seat in hell.
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Kentrie

But how do I know if it's wrong or not.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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xander

The bible is a guide. Not a set of rules.
If you believe in the bible follow Christianity not Catholocism.
Christianity evolves as the community does and is much more including.
The bible is meant to teach people how to treat each other.
And to LOVE EVERYONE for who they are.
Catholics tend to stick by the man/woman thing but a LOT of Christians are completely accepting of community outside of the norm.
I studied the bible for 10.5 years (not just the bible) and I believe that it is written to be up for each persons interpretation (to a degree obviously).
The bible does have many contradictions, but me, I believe that's it's way of saying "make your own choices, just use what we say here to guide yourself. Only you know what's right in a given situation".

Hope this helps.
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Kentrie

It does. I just don't want to tick god off.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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rar

Quote1 Samuel 16:7

In this passage, the lowly shepherd David is anointed king of Israel. Samuel assumes the LORD will choose one of David's many handsome brothers, but the LORD says to Samuel:

...I do not judge as man judges. Man looks at the outward appearance, but I look at the heart.

Galatians 3:28

Another catch-all comeback! If someone starts spouting Scripture to justify hating transsexuals, lay this one on them:

...there is neither male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus.

And other stuff.
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xander

(i don't mean to upset anyone with this post but here goes anyway)

technically, wouldn't it be God's mistake for putting you in the wrong body?
and wouldn't he be happy that you're taking it into your stride and living your life how it was meant to be?

God is made out sometimes to seem like he's an angry, vengeful person, but honestly some religous leaders like to use that as a tactic to scare people into doing what they're told. (not all  but this is a common problem)

God is forgiving and loving.
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spacial

Kentrie.

It really depends upon what your starting point is.

I struggled with this and many other questions. Like you, I found mixed messages from different groups. The Bible is long and complicated.

One day, I was sent to care from a man who was dying. I was told he was very confused and would need a lot of care. He was in hospital.

I arrived, on time and was shown into a side room.The man was almost comatosed and required no intervention at all.

I hadn't brought anything with me to read. I sat in this bare room. His bed was in front of the window, which was frosted anyway. The walls were bare and within about 10 minutes, I was bored silly.

I found a copy of Gideon's Bible, which is the New Testament only, on a shelf. I decided to read it.

Now, like most people, I'd been brought up on a steady drip feed of excerts from the Bible and really thought I knew what it said. So, I emptied my mind and just read it from the begining. It took about 2 hours to read each gospel.

I won't tell you what to think or believe, that isn't my place. I will tell you to find a quiet place and read the Gospels, from the first, Matthew.

I will say, I now know. I have no doubts. Just read it, the New Testament, from the begining.
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SarahM777

Hello Kentrie,
I too struggled with this also. I do agree with Spacial please start with the gospels, but i would also add Romans Chapter 8 as Paul does write about whats wrong with nature and our bodies. This is my opinion only but i believe it shows that there is something wrong with nature and it does not work as it was intended.
I did also find something that really did help me. It may sound a bit silly but ask God how He sees you and ask Him what name He calls you by. He does see the person inside and i believe He knows you by name.

Sarah
Answers are easy. It's asking the right questions which is hard.

Be positive in the fact that there is always one person in a worse situation then you.

The Fourth Doctor
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tekla

It's a story book, what it says about TG or anything else is as valid as what Hansel and Gretel says about it.
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ToriJo

I'm Christian and believe the Bible.  Unfortunately plenty of people misinterpret it, and some of our modern translations don't help anything.  There's a lot more to this, and plenty of Focus-on-the-Family-type Christians will disagree with me, but the simplest way I can put this is this:

The Bible says absolutely nothing about transgender people.

Plenty of people have added garbage from their own biases to what the Bible says.  Loving homosexual relationships aren't banned by the Bible either, but plenty of people take a handful of contested verses and make them say something that is unwarranted by context.
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tekla

Unfortunately plenty of people misinterpret it

Those would be people who read something different into it than you do?  And, of course, the 'right' people interpret it just like you do.  How refreshing.
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Michael Joseph

One thing. God loves everyone He created. We are His creation and He loves us unconditionally. When describing His love for us if you look up the word love that it uses in that context it is Agape. That means unconditional love. That means that no matter what we do, He will love us. It also says that no one sin is worse than another, and we all sin everyday, He just wants us to repent. It is awesome, that He loves us no matter what. It says He knows the amount of hairs on our head, which means he knows everything about us. If you are trans and you like girls then He knows that and He created you that way and still loves you, so dont let anyone else tell you otherwise.

ToriJo

Quote from: tekla on February 07, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
Unfortunately plenty of people misinterpret it

Those would be people who read something different into it than you do?  And, of course, the 'right' people interpret it just like you do.  How refreshing.

I'm not going to get into a fight with you on this.

But, no, that's not what I'd say or what I believe - you definitely read more into my words than were there (I was talking about the concepts of trans people and homosexuals in the Bible, not the entire system).

But I would say that I believe most scholars would agree with me that the Bible says absolutely nothing about transgender people (other than eunuchs and a verse about people in the Jewish law system wearing the "wrong" clothes which is not equivalent at all to cross-dressing) or homosexuality (in the modern, partnership of equals, sense).  But I'm open to your understanding if it's different.  As for other points in the Bible, I'm sure they would disagree with me plenty - and very likely be right about those issues.

But, I would be glad to hear any information you have.  Biblical views of gender is area of interest to me.
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tekla

Well, to start with, unless your Jewish, you have like less than zero right - or understanding - to 'interpret' Jewish Law.
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spacial

For my own part, I started on the basis that Jesus is right and anything he says is paramount.

When I read the Gospels, it seemed to me that Jesus was clarifying and emphasising the Commandments.

He also overturned all the Mosaic and subsequent laws, apart from the commandments when he said we are subject to the judgement of no man, that we must never kill and that worship is a provate and personal matter between ourselves and God.
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ToriJo

Quote from: tekla on February 07, 2011, 10:30:55 PM
Well, to start with, unless your Jewish, you have like less than zero right - or understanding - to 'interpret' Jewish Law.

Once again, I would be glad for you to share any information you have.
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lostmagic564

The bible is just a book made around 2000 years ago and if i remender it was wirten around 50years ago jesus died puls what god wanted 2000 years ago and the way he wanted us to live by has been improved to tell you the turth the book as cause a lot of war instead of peace we use words like god and he loves us for support some time people take it to far and try to use there views on their gods agrest you.
what im trying to say love you for who you are there is no one who will dam you for being ture to your self or trying to live your life the way you wanna.
im not saying the book is not real im just saying all the words in it are not the words of a god but that of a man.
dont wanna sound rude but dont waste your time trying to get though to the people who belive in gods. it might get you killed.
can someone wirte us a new one?
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Dana Lane

It is so much more relaxing to be Atheist I think.  I just have a hard time that this bible is the 'word of god' ...well, kinda sorta depending on how you interpret it..sorta...my book is right and yours isn't. If the knowledge that a god existed is from a bible and if there are things in the bible that aren't true or accepted by some people then maybe there really isn't a god in the first place. I know that god did in fact lay down laws and most of those laws the penalty is death.

A lot of xtians cherry pick the bible to feel loved, fee superior (to the heathens), judge others (all the time), and a lot use the bible to justify and defend bigotry. They will read a passage that tells them to stone their children for talking back and skip that one but go for the 'hate homosexuals' and use that.

It is possible to 'wake up' and become actually enlightened but it is very hard sometimes.
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