Leviticus 19:28

[SarahM777]

The one thing that is forgotten about the laws given in both Leviticus and Numbers is that in the very beginning of both. It is clearly stated that these laws were specifically given to the people of Israel. If that is the case then these are laws that apply to the nation of Israel and that being the case it is also stated if someone from another nation which to become an Israelite they had to obey these laws. But as far as i know no where does it ever state that these laws applied to those outside the nation of Israel.

[Mrs Erocse]

Julie Marie, thank you for sharing that post.

Hugs,
Patty

[annette]

Julie Marie, that was an amazing point of view about Leviticus.

I wish I could write like you.
When I read it, I tought, hey this girl knows how to debate.
My admiring for it.
Your text shows the unforgiveness of the religion, trowing stones, burn them etc.
And...I think it was written with a good sense of humor, great.
Thanks for joining the discussion, I've learned a lot from you.

hugs
annette

[Mrs Erocse]

O.k. I know this is a bit off tract. I am also sorry if it offends anyone, but when I saw this bumper sticker today it made me laugh and think of this post.

"Jesus Loves You. The rest of us think you're an A-hole."

Sorry I know my sense of humor is off. Just wanted to share anyways.

Hugs.
Patty

[Janet_Girl]

O.k. I know this is a bit off tract. I am also sorry if it offends anyone, but when I saw this bumper sticker today it made me laugh and think of this post.

"Jesus Loves You. The rest of us think you're an A-hole."

Sorry I know my sense of humor is off. Just wanted to share anyways.

Hugs.
Patty

Too Funny, Patty.

[kate durcal]

The one thing that is forgotten about the laws given in both Leviticus and Numbers is that in the very beginning of both. It is clearly stated that these laws were specifically given to the people of Israel. If that is the case then these are laws that apply to the nation of Israel and that being the case it is also stated if someone from another nation which to become an Israelite they had to obey these laws. But as far as i know no where does it ever state that these laws applied to those outside the nation of Israel.

Ah! Whose bible is anyway? eh? I will be happy to take my bible back! You can keep your gospels

Sabbath Shalom!

Kate

[tekla]

I love Bible threads so much!  More dancing going on that in the Ziegfeld Follies and Alvin Ailey Company combined.  Bill "Bojangles" Robinson would be proud to see this many white folk tap dancing.

[VeryGnawty]

I love Bible threads so much!

I like to watch Biblical debates on YouTube.  I've been waiting for more episodes of "God needs a quality control department"

[kate durcal]

what is to debate?

[PiperEden]

This is amazing! I never knew of this specific verse! I really dislike how people can just use parts of the Bible to further their negative agenda.  It makes no sense.

[spacial]

Ah! Whose bible is anyway? eh? I will be happy to take my bible back! You can keep your gospels

Sabbath Shalom!

Kate

kate.

The inclusion of the Old Testament was originally done for comparison, because Jesus and other made reference to it.

Having spoken to a number of practicing Jews I know none who claim that every word need be taken literally. The only people who do this are some American organisations, backed by huge sums of money, who preach hatred and war. These people are no more Christians than the idiots who tell young men and women to blow themselves up are Muslim. These are politically motivated opportunists who sadly, seem to weild a lot of power and fear in the US and elsewhere.

The really sad part are those that take them seriously.

I have heard many of the contemporary claims and arguments by Jewish people regarding, what Christians, from their perspective, call the Old Testament. But sadly, you too seem to have been badly misled. I cannot enter into a theological discussion on this forum about this, but if you care to start a thread in the Religion section, I will attempt to explaim the Christian Biblical position to you.

It really isn't very complicated. You may, for example, realise why it is called, The Old Testament. But that is up to you.

[justmeinoz]

Seeing as one of my greatgrandmothers was Jewish, can I still have the Garlic Prawns?

[kate durcal]

kate.

The inclusion of the Old Testament was originally done for comparison, because Jesus and other made reference to it.

Having spoken to a number of practicing Jews I know none who claim that every word need be taken literally. The only people who do this are some American organisations, backed by huge sums of money, who preach hatred and war. These people are no more Christians than the idiots who tell young men and women to blow themselves up are Muslim. These are politically motivated opportunists who sadly, seem to weild a lot of power and fear in the US and elsewhere.

The really sad part are those that take them seriously.

I have heard many of the contemporary claims and arguments by Jewish people regarding, what Christians, from their perspective, call the Old Testament. But sadly, you too seem to have been badly misled. I cannot enter into a theological discussion on this forum about this, but if you care to start a thread in the Religion section, I will attempt to explaim the Christian Biblical position to you.

It really isn't very complicated. You may, for example, realize why it is called, The Old Testament. But that is up to you.

Oh no Honey, I love you to much to get in a religious debate with you. Beside my Mommy told me never to argue about politics and/or religion

BTW Iusually ask my Jewish Friend who is the most famous Jew in the history of Humans?

[kate durcal]

They usually respond: "Einstein,"  I say "No, Jesus"

[Vicky]

In the "Scripture Wars" of the first 350+/- years CE of the Christian Church, there were groups (noteably Marcionite Christians) who absolutely detested the inclusion of Jewish scriptures into the Christian religion.  The problem was, that without the scriptures it made Christianity "too new" to be worth anything or be serious.  So much for the commandment about stealing that got stolen.    The group that did not want the scriptures taken to Christianity were labled heretics and invited to be the guests of honor at barbecues themselves.  (Burned at the stake, hmmm, how does that fit the burnt offering laws???)

[Nigella]

I'd like to point out that there are trans women like myself who are Christian and take their faith seriously. I for one have just been unanimously voted onto my church board, I play and sing in our music group and I speak from the pulpit too.

I hate this kind of narrow minded debate which in all honesty is just as narrow-minded as the reasons used by some Christians, Jews, Islamist, etc, etc to condemn other people. After all we know we have it right DON'T WE.

Stardust   

[spacial]

In the "Scripture Wars" of the first 350+/- years CE of the Christian Church, there were groups (noteably Marcionite Christians) who absolutely detested the inclusion of Jewish scriptures into the Christian religion.  The problem was, that without the scriptures it made Christianity "too new" to be worth anything or be serious.  So much for the commandment about stealing that got stolen.    The group that did not want the scriptures taken to Christianity were labled heretics and invited to be the guests of honor at barbecues themselves.  (Burned at the stake, hmmm, how does that fit the burnt offering laws???)

That is certainly a perspective.

But a rather more obvious one is that Jesus taught that most of the laws of the OT were invalid. All that remained were the 10 Commandments.

He undermined the authority of the clergy, prohibitited killing, so prohibiting war, and taught that none of us is subject to the judgement of men, in relation to the will of God.

That got him executed. It also alienated those  with ambitions to be in charge of things.

What we have seen since, is a continuing struggle between various ambitious types to undermine and suppress those three doctrines. Since these doctrines, along with a number of others, are central to Jesus' teachings, it's difficult to conclude that any of these people are actually Christian.

[Mrs Erocse]

I'd like to point out that there are trans women like myself who are Christian and take their faith seriously. I for one have just been unanimously voted onto my church board, I play and sing in our music group and I speak from the pulpit too.

I hate this kind of narrow minded debate which in all honesty is just as narrow-minded as the reasons used by some Christians, Jews, Islamist, etc, etc to condemn other people. After all we know we have it right DON'T WE.

Stardust   

Stardust,
I am glad that  you have found peace and acceptance in your  church. We all want that for ourselves too. No one ridicules you or your church for that. I imagine you sing wonderfully, a joy for all in your church to hear.

I have not been a Christian since I was 29 yrs of age.( I did not find love or acceptance in the church I attended. Only disillusionment and hypocracy.) I am nearly 48 yrs old now. I only feel that judgment be reserved for God if there is God. And if Christians quote scriptures to support their views, they do so in  context and fairly. If they don't live by the bible completely, I feel it is wrong to quote a portion, take it out of context and suggest everyone else live by that small clip. Though they ignore the surrounding scriptures and would not choose to live by any of the rest at all. When "so many so called Christians" take this liberty it brings ridicule upon all of christianity.

There are so many that do this. In fact Roxy's family are a variety of religious family members who have done this. They belong to an assortment of religions. They excuse themselves, for child abuse, drug use, adultery, vanity, greed, theft, arrogance, slander, bigotry, laziness etc...... Yet would turn their back on Roxy for being transgender without an ounce of compassion.

Perhaps I feel very defensive of our position. I think there are many in our position and we are all out numbered by bigots who proclaim christianity and use christianity as a basis for hatred. Everyone does not wish to put down the place you love and find acceptance, but merely defend our own place in the world.

I am glad to hear you have such a great place to belong to.  I wish you much happiness there. Sorry if we caused offense.

Much love and hugs.
Patty

[Dana Lane]

If you go into the bible to grab the 'make me feel good' stuff you gotta go get the other bizarre and inhumane parts as well.

[spacial]

If you go into the bible to grab the 'make me feel good' stuff you gotta go get the other bizarre and inhumane parts as well.

Why?