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How long can you manage a Stealth Transition?

Started by JessicaH, February 23, 2011, 05:37:13 PM

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JessicaH

Update: It's been almost 9 months since starting a full transition dose of HRT and things are going well. I still haven't been outed to anyone who I didn't tell myself and anyone I have told seems really surprised. My wife still doesn't know and I am blown away that she hasnt said anything about me growing "breasts".

My last blood test had my T below 20 and E about 150. Amazingly, there hasnt been any loss of "ability" with my wife but my libido is much lower and I'd assume just cuddle. My new problem is that I'm getting sent to Mozambique, Africa for an undetermined amount of time which could cause problems if too many people go too long without seeing me...
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AbraCadabra

Hi  Jessica,
can always blame it on the Mozambiquen water..., maybe more so if bottled, and to prevent getting the "runs" from the tap.
There is said to be loads of E present in those plastic bottles.
Older guys got boobs from it, why not you? :-)

Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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Zoe

Jessica,

How long you WANT to remain stealth? While your breasts WILL eventually become obvious to everyone, that doesn't mean you must break stealth. Gynecomastia is more evident today than ever and develops for no apparent reason on men of all ages, but especially those over 40. If you continue to present yourself as a man in the way you act, dress, accessorize, carry yourself, male voice, and converse on masculine subjects, you might possibly be able to remain in stealth indefinitely. Obviously having breasts will invoke questions in people's minds, but if anyone asks, just tell them your doctor prescribed some medicines that had a side effect of gynecomastia, which is the truth. If they don't know what gynecomastia is tell them to Google it. You don't have to explain nor reveal that you're in transition.

IMO, you sacrifice the ability to remain stealth when you shape your brows and grow your fingernails. These are things you can't take or wash off if someone comes to the door. Other actions when done in public such as wearing makeup and earrings, applying feminine movement, speaking in a higher tone of voice, changing your name to a female name, etc., are all confusing for people, and they may not know how to interpret your actions, but they know you've violated a gender line. The evidence of long term HRT in having breasts and a female physique only proliferates their suspicions. That doesn't mean you'll pass as a woman, only that you've gone beyond the social norm, if that makes sense.

The one person you can't hide from is your wife, whom I'd assume sees and touches you daily without a shirt on. She knows what budding breasts feel like, especially when the nodules start to grow behind the nipples. If you're at that point, I doubt your wife hasn't noticed. She probably just doesn't know how to confront you with the question of what is going on. She may or may not suspect you're transsexual.
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JessicaH

My biggest concern is that I want to go as far as I can before making the jump. I want to have the best chances of passing when I go full time. I'm hoping that I can maintain the HRT program while saving up and making plans then take a month of adn get some FFS and liposuction then go full time. As for my wife, I only see her on weekends and she doesn't seem alarmed by anything yet.
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Sunnynight

I don't know. I know that when I was going through "stealth transistion" I thought I did a good job of keeping things apparently "normal". Then again there were a couple times that rude conversations about transsexuals popped in my presence which seemed rather pointed. But I was pretty feminine in my general appearance at the time (no beard, long feminine hair, eyebrows somewhat shaped).
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JungianZoe

I was vaguely stealth for just over a year and a half because nobody in my world is very inquisitive.

Realized in July 2009 that I'd transition and began to grow my hair out.  That's also when I started wearing eyeliner out in public full time (including to work because we had no dress code).  Eventually my hair grew longer, I started laser hair removal, started wearing eyeshadow, foundation, and powder.  Though I wore basically the same jeans and t-shirt as before, I started wearing skinny jeans and girl-cut shirts.

The final jump was last September when I started HRT.  My first three months were worthless (T was still at 650) so I didn't really start functioning HRT until late December 2010.  In February, I began wearing nail polish and lipstick, but still nobody questioned me.  Not my boss, not my coworkers, not my students, not my friends, not my parents.  The only people who even brought it up asked if I was emo and told me I looked like AFI's lead singer Davey Havok.  By that point, I didn't know what it would take to get anyone's attention, but I realized just how much I was getting away with.  At the start of this process in July '09, I looked like this (picture taken the very day I decided to transition):



On February 24 of this year, I looked like this:



And yet nobody in my life questioned the changes.  Not a single person.  So during the third and fourth weeks of February, I came out to all of my friends and family.  Then on the Wednesday of the first week of March, I walked out into public for the first time in unmistakably female clothing.  Of all places I could have gone, it was to work.  Told my boss I was trans, I was going full time, and she asked if I wanted to make an announcement at the meeting that Friday, which I did (and that was my coming out to all of my coworkers).  That was officially my first day of full time, and my friend unexpectedly dragged me out to a club (not even a gay club) that night.  Talk about trial by fire!

Not exactly a stealth transition, but it was definitely transition without telling anyone!  And it lasted from July '09 to March '11.

Though something tells me the people in your life may be slightly more observant or inquisitive than the people in mine, eh?
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regan

Quote from: JessicaH on August 17, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
My new problem is that I'm getting sent to Mozambique, Africa for an undetermined amount of time which could cause problems if too many people go too long without seeing me...

Do you have a plan for a reliable source of HRT drugs while you're in Mozambique?  I'd imagine its going to be difficult at best to have a steady supply of medications, that could be a greater problem to your overall goals then anything else that's been mentioned so far.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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Stephe

Quote from: AmySmiles on February 23, 2011, 09:16:26 PM
A lot of the men seem to treat me nicer now, but that could just be in my head.

Some of it is just from less T floating around. Ypeople usually become less confrontational as the T levels drop off so you are nicer, they respond likewise :)

Stephe
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wendy

Only been 6.5 years , no beard , and little other work.  People must notice but are too polite in my neighborhood.  I guess I can remain stealth for rest of my days if I want.
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Stephe

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 18, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
I was vaguely stealth for just over a year and a half because nobody in my world is very inquisitive.


I guess some of it is: It's none of most peoples business IMHO so they just keep it to themselves. I became VERY fem, shaped browns, mostly girls jeans and tops, carrying a purse etc and only a very few people I know said anything, including my parents. And the few that did were more along the lines of fashion advice, which I was glad to get :) Only after I changed my name, wore long hair and skirts did the "I have changed my gender" thing become what I call obvious. But even at this point only 1-2 people have asked if I am going to have surgery -down there-, my answer is "How do you know I haven't already?" lol
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JessicaH

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 18, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
Though something tells me the people in your life may be slightly more observant or inquisitive than the people in mine, eh?

Yea, I definately have some observant and inquisitive people in my life. I'm surprised I haven't had anyone make a comment on my "gyno" excpt for a joke my wife made as she lightly poked my nipple and said I was looking "a little pokey."  Hell, I'm shocked sometimes when I see myself in the mirror with or without a shirt. My current band measurement is 40 and my bust measurement is 46" after 8.5 months HRT. I think boobs are going to be what gives me away...

Quote from: regan on August 18, 2011, 06:51:38 PM
Do you have a plan for a reliable source of HRT drugs while you're in Mozambique?  I'd imagine its going to be difficult at best to have a steady supply of medications, that could be a greater problem to your overall goals then anything else that's been mentioned so far.

I'm planning on taking 3 months supply with me and I may be able to buy what I need over the counter there. I will also be able to have my doc fax or email a script. I also may be able to drive down into South Africa where things are much more western or I can get my BFF to mail me what I need from my scripts or from alternate sourse.

I don't think my testes function anymore so I dont' think T will be a problem.
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wendy

Quote from: Stephe on August 18, 2011, 08:41:20 PM

I guess some of it is: It's none of most peoples business IMHO so they just keep it to themselves. I became VERY fem, shaped browns, mostly girls jeans and tops, carrying a purse etc and only a very few people I know said anything, including my parents. And the few that did were more along the lines of fashion advice, which I was glad to get :) Only after I changed my name, wore long hair and skirts did the "I have changed my gender" thing become what I call obvious. But even at this point only 1-2 people have asked if I am going to have surgery -down there-, my answer is "How do you know I haven't already?" lol

Agree.  I do not wear a wig.  I do not change my voice.  I do not wear a dress.  I do not wear high heels.  I do a lot of other things.  People say nothing.  I guess it's just gynecomastia and pink nails and dyed and shaped eye brows.  Nothing unusual.
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grrl1nside

I'm rather interested in this topic because I plan to do a stealth transition to a degree myself. I've started adding more feminine looking clothes at work so that things won't come totally out of the blue. A few friends know but not the details. I am holding off on hrt for a little bit but plan to move in that direction shortly. I want to work it in with my 7 months off for paternity in the spring where I can take my time with transition and just be with family.

My wife and I are in constant communication about it and as much as it scares her sometimes at other times she would prefer to move along on that front. Even since talking about it, she notices how much more feminine, communicative, and open I am which she loves although there are still rounds of fear and confusion. I can appreciate your desire to be stealth and I hope you find a way to engage with your wife because it sounds like this is a struggle (might be misinterpreting). Do you think your wife saying you were "pokey" in relation to your breasts was a very low key way of openning the door to the conversation? If so, it might be worth taking... I know that I'm watching constantly for quiet opportunities with the right people. I think sometimes being aware and choosing the right moment can make a huge difference to people's reception of us.
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regan

Quote from: JessicaH on August 18, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
I don't think my testes function anymore so I dont' think T will be a problem.

As long as they're a part of you, they're still producing T.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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JessicaH

Quote from: regan on August 18, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
As long as they're a part of you, they're still producing T.

Normally, that would be true.... I have rendered mine rather inert.
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Joelene9

Quote from: JessicaH on August 18, 2011, 10:11:42 PM
Normally, that would be true.... I have rendered mine rather inert.
That depends on your constitution.  I had a scare last month when I was on a 2 week trip with family and I did not take my spiro because I didn't want to stop every two hours to take a dump.  When I woke up the morning after I arrived back home, I had this hard erection in my sleep and I woke up to pain caused by the erection causing 2 small tears, with a small amount of blood about midway down the member.  The skin had shrunk some since starting HRT and became thinner, but my erection range very little.  Be careful what you say!  It may later bite you on the arse! 
  No stealth, except public.  Everybody knows what I am doing and why.  There are still more gynocomastic men that are more 'endowed' than I!
  Joelene
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wendy

Quote from: Joelene9 on August 18, 2011, 11:40:20 PM
  That depends on your constitution.  I had a scare last month when I was on a 2 week trip with family and I did not take my spiro because I didn't want to stop every two hours to take a dump.  When I woke up the morning after I arrived back home, I had this hard erection in my sleep and I woke up to pain caused by the erection causing 2 small tears, with a small amount of blood about midway down the member.  The skin had shrunk some since starting HRT and became thinner, but my erection range very little.  Be careful what you say!  It may later bite you on the arse! 
  No stealth, except public.  Everybody knows what I am doing and why.  There are still more gynocomastic men that are more 'endowed' than I!
  Joelene

Friend ran out of money and stopped taking T blockers.  Had same situation as described above.  After a while you will be sterile but if you stop blockers T will be produced again.    If testes are crushed or removed then T should be very low and you should never need to use T blockers again.

Quote from: JessicaH on August 18, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
My current band measurement is 40 and my bust measurement is 46" after 8.5 months HRT. I think boobs are going to be what gives me away...

A cup size a year is good results.  I will guess you were muscular.  About a "C" and puppies are hard to hide.  Men sometimes talk to my chest. It does not upset me but it seems rude.  They bother my wife more than anything I have done.
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Bird

All in all, your mileage may vary.

My friends began noticing changes by my first month of HRT and asking questions. There were rumours going around and some of them wondered if I was taking hormones. I'm a med student so they KNOW this stuff exists.

By the midle of the 4th month I went full time because everyone in University knew, I don't really need to pass at the moment either. So there. What I thought would be like 10 months of HRT in stealth turned into me going full time out of the blue :D
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MarinaM

Anyone get a response like this?:

"No offense, but you really lost a ton of weight, you're down to your fighting weight!"
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JungianZoe

Quote from: EmmaM on August 19, 2011, 10:58:48 PM
Anyone get a response like this?:

"No offense, but you really lost a ton of weight, you're down to your fighting weight!"

Quite the opposite!  But that's because I gained 25 pounds. :)  All I hear about is how much better I look than I did two years ago when I was 45 pounds less than I am now (5'11, 100 pounds).
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