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Started by piers816, March 25, 2011, 12:22:33 AM

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piers816

What was your "coming out as trans" experience like?

Also, do you have any tips for coming out?
I've told only a few of my friends without trouble, but I'm terrified to tell anyone else - especially my parents. Would you recommend talking to a school guidance counsellor? I'm thinking of doing that, but I'm not sure as to how it would be handled and such.
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JohnAlex

I'm a little disappointed that no one's responded here yet.  I really wanted to see some people's stories and advice.

I'm in the same boat as you right now.  I've only told a few of my friends (and it's my online friends at that, I don't really have friends IRL).  I'm also pretty worried about telling my aunt and uncle (who I live with and are like parents to me.)
I'm pretty sure they'll be okay with it eventually.  but right away I think that they will think that I'm confused, that this is a phase, or that I only think this because of abuse I went through as a child (you know how people like to try to figured you out.)

They're kind of nosy (but only because they care), so the main thing I'm debating is if I should just tell them flat out and then not share anything else, so if I should really explain why I feel this way and how long, etc.  I know they'd want to know all the details, but I'm worried that after they hear it they'd come up with their own theory for those feelings/etc.

Anyway, yes, I also would like to hear people's stories or advice for coming out.

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Devin87

I'm also not completely out of the closet, mainly because I'm not in a position to socially transition yet, even though I've started wearing male clothing and using male hygiene products and will be getting a male haircut soon and am even debating starting to go by my male name in certain circles, but I don't see the point just yet.  I've come out to several friends and to my aunt who's gay and so I think understands better than most of my family.  It's good to have a few people you can talk to when you start feeling depressed or whatever.

A school guidance counselor could help but it might be out of his or her area of expertise.  They might even suggest to your parents that you go see a psychiatrist or a counselor outside of school, so even if they can't help you that much, they can get you pointed in the right direction to find someone who can.  I'd say go for it and talk to your school counselor.  It can't hurt.
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PandaValentine

I've come out gradually over the past two years. The first person was my doctor. I don't really remember how I got the nerve to actually force the words out my mouth, but I was happy to know my doctor would be accepting and knew of a gender clinic (unfortunately it was CAMH, known for it's reparative therapy).

The next day I wrote a letter to my mom coming out to her. She actually guessed when I gave her the letter. I'm personally no good with expressing emotions, so I just told her to read it and she called me from work that day, telling me everything was going to be okay and we'd talk later. We never really discussed this topic fully, it was something I was too uncomfortable with as everything seemed so personal. We did have a quick talk about surgery once, and she said that I don't like people touching me and so on, but I told her I don't care because I this means more to me than what I'm comfortable with.

Since then I told my best friend, both sisters, my aunt, and a few others I've met, and on top of that my sister has told my dad so I never came out to him. But basically for me, I have never once come out to anyone face to face, it has all been through letters and emails! I've never explained anything fully, and I think that's why in the past two years I've never had the full support that I could have. The only person to reject me was my uncle who I hadn't seen for three years but used to be very close with. The last two times I visited he didn't speak a single word to me or even acknowledge my existence.

So I guess my tip for coming out is make sure to explain it so they can fully understand what you are going through. I think it would be too scary for most to hear of your future plans, but if you just tell them what you're going through at this moment, it's possible they will be more accepting. My mom never really said a word about me going on hormones a year and a half later after coming out. She did ask me once about what was going to happen but I told her to read a book, to which she never did. Which is another possible option though, give them a book! Give them some information to let them know you aren't the only one, because they seem to believe our numbers are so scarce in the trans community. Also after coming out, give them space! I've always done that, given them TIME before answering me back (which is why I prefer to come out through letters/emails). Perhaps that is why I never really got any bad reactions. They had time to think, to clear their heads before they could slip anything out that they hadn't fully though through. Some prefer to come out in an actual physical conversation, I was just never up for that, but I couldn't stay in the closet until I got over it!

I personally would not have told my school guidance counsellor. Guidance counsellors do not have to keep anything private and can contact you're parents. If you know you  have a very accepting one, there's a good chance none of that crap will happen to you, but all I can say is be careful. My guidance counsellor who I was once very fond of, found out I had an interest in self harming and one day actually asked me if I was still self harming in front of the entire office (including students). Not only that but when I refused to show him my arms, he assumed I was lying (which I was not) and when I proceeded to lose my calm emotional state, he began to accuse me of being emotionally unstable. This was a guy I trusted to listen to my problems, it's probably in addition to many other things, the reason I cannot trust people fully.

Sorry if this is too long. My additional advice is just not to do anything to jeopardize your living situation if you have no where else to go, sometimes even the most liberal parents can surprise you.

If you are going to come out, just remember to answer what they need answered. Doing this may comfort them. Talk about the fact of what other people will think, friends, community, family. Even if you don't care, they do. Also a lot of people worry you won't live a 'normal' life, so perhaps reassuring them of other transgender people who you've looked up or what not, are living 'normal' lives. Honestly that's also a concern with parents, being normal. Maybe ask them if they'd like to do therapy with you before you make any big decisions like moving forward in your transition. Honestly I've noticed with people who approached it in a way of, including their family in this journey, have had better luck than those like me who just expected them to go along with it. If I was more open with my emotions and could let people in, I would have loved to have had them there.

Also beware of intimate questions "are you going to get a penis?" This is really none of their business but I've been asked. My sister was really the only one. She was a complete nightmare on the subject, she just wouldn't drop it. Everything was about my freaking genitals and I mean, it's just ->-bleeped-<-ed up! My sister, when we were still talking always brought up period talk, and when I'd tell her to stop talking about it, she would constantly say "Well you have them, don't you? You're a girl!" I'd proceed to tell her I didn't, even if I had at the time. She'd even do this in front of friends, mine and hers! I am disturbed by the subject because it's uncomfortable, and makes me more dysphoric. Even if it's over for me now, I still have the memories of it and honestly it's been emotionally scaring. My point is, some people are TOO intrusive. Beware of those kinds of people.

If you're going to come out, figure out what you're going to do or say ahead of time in each situation, look at every possible way things could turn out, good or bad. I never prepared for anything really, I never thought about what they'd ask in specifics or what I would tell them.

And good luck, to anyone contemplating coming out, or going through it.
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Padma

Yes, people have bits on the mind - when my friends found out I was dating a transman, it was all about "what's he got?" I told them to use their imagination - and then gave them marks out of 10 8).
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Kohitsu

I'm not out to everyone, just a few important people in my life. I've emailed several teachers about me being transgender, but I've only had great success with one or two of them calling me by the right pronouns. At least all my teachers call me by the right name, seems to be that most have trouble with pronouns. =/ I first came out to some of my friends online, then to some IRL friends, and thankfully they've all taken it well, and are the best at using the right name/pronouns. Then I came out to my dad and step mom. They don't completely understand it, but they try their best to call me by my new name. My dad is having a hard time referring to me as a guy though. I recall one time at the dinner table he had said, "That's my girl... er, um... person." I'm sure he'll come to terms with it in time, you just gotta remember to be patient. I'm not out to everyone, but I think it's important to at least be out to the most important people in your life. It's good to know you have a group of supportive people you can talk to that accepts you for who you are.

Some advice I can give is if you feel the person will be angry or violent towards you when you come out to them, DON'T tell them, or if you feel you must tell them, only do so when you are capable of leaving the situation if it gets dangerous. I have and probably never will tell my biological mother about me being transgender because she was very angry and hateful towards me during the divorce between her and my dad, and she's never been supportive of me about anything I do.
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Padma

As the mother in She's A Boy I Knew says (something like), "as your mother who's known you all your life so far, I've probably called you by your old name 10 million times - give me a little time to change!"
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Banf

In the last year and a half I've come out to everyone in my life, and I've had really good reactions and acceptance towards it.
One of the main things that I think helped was coming out to each person individually, in a way that I thought was best for that specific person. Everyone in your life is different, and each person/group will respond better to different methods, wording, and scenarios. And there are a lot of different ways of doing this. :]

Here's some of my experiences:

The first person I came out to was a university friend who I had dated for about 9 months while we lived in a shared house. After uni I moved back home, but we kept in touch online mostly. He's a very kind person, and if anyone was going to take it well I figured it'd be him. But he was also my first choice because telling someone over MSN (that I didn't see very often any more) seemed like a good test run! If he didn't like it, it wouldn't really impact on my life.
I'm very glad I did it over MSN because coming out for the first time ever was really emotional, and I wouldn't have been able to speak for the tears.. Luckily I could still type. :p

Fortunately he took it perfectly and has been really sensitive and accepting. He also came out for me to his group of friends from school who I've met a few times, but are usually around when we do meet up, and that group (who I rarely see and aren't very close to) took it fine as well, and were the first to make attempts at using correct pronouns. :)

To the majority of my friends, I came out kind of spontaneously, after I ended up alone with one of them and it seemed like a good time. Often it was after a few drinks, which seemed to loosen my tongue and soften the blow a bit. All of my different types of friends have been very accepting and awesome, so I guess it worked.
The ones that were a bit more shaken up by it were those that (I usually found out afterwards..) had a crush on the "female" me. Understandably, it took them longer to adjust, and if you can't figure out why someone who's quite close to you is acting a bit odd in response, this could be a possibility.


Coming out to my family was interesting.
I found it quite difficult with my dad, although he was accepting. He has always been very "I want the best life for my child possible", and I think he had a hard time swallowing the fact that transitioning could potentially be detrimental to my career and relationships and such. He didn't really understand that not transitioning would be detrimental to me personally. He jokes around a lot, so it's hard to tell what he's honestly feeling (And I'm the same way.. So having a serious conversation between us is tough.) But I know that he doesn't love me any less and that he's been trying to support me any way he can.

He came out for me to my grandma (his mum, who hadn't seen me in 6 years and doesn't speak great English) just before I started T. He must have done a good job though, she seemed very accepting straight away. She's visiting us at the moment and she's always calling me her "boy", using all kinds of male pronouns and generally being very cool. :)

With my brother I was pretty worried about how he'd take it, but I just came out to him during a casual chat in the park, and he said he had actually been suspecting something like this anyways. He seemed totally un-phased (though he rarely is) and he refers to me as his brother now. Though I damn his full beard at 17 years old, he makes me look so much younger next to him! P:

My mum has been totally on board with everything from the moment I came out to her. I invited her to a quiet corner in a pub one afternoon and just told her straight. She's the "I want my child to do whatever makes them happy" kind of parent, so it was a lot easier. She first asked me if I might be a lesbian when I was 16, and she didn't quite believe me when I said no then, so she said she had been expecting me to come out as gay when I came to talk to her.

My mum also came out to her [big] side of the family (who live up North and hadn't seen me in about 6 years on average) for me, and I hadn't really appreciated how well they'd taken it until we went up there for my cousin's wedding a couple of weeks ago. Everyone was great, I was seen as male, even by my 4 and 6 year old cousins that had seen me once before (a little over a year ago) with long hair and in a skirt for my mum's wedding. Now they believed I was bio-male, and they were really attached to me. :) My grandpa who hadn't seen me in the longest time (10 years) seemed totally comfortable with me and had totally switched pronouns. I was really apprehensive about the trip just because of this, and it turned out really well!


At work I talked with an HR woman for quite a while before coming out.
I came out directly to people that I worked closely with, mostly telling them while outside of work, but I never got an opportunity with my line manager and the two girls I sat next to. I just said to them "Can I have a quick chat with you upstairs?". I spoke to my line manager on his own, and the two girls together. They were all very cool with it, and actually the time with the two girls was the only time I've personally come out to more than one person at a time. But it worked well - They kind of bounced questions off each other, and they each had some time to think while the other (or I) was speaking.

Anyway to the rest of my colleagues, I wrote an e-mail that the HR woman sent out to everybody for me while I took the morning off. My reason for doing it by e-mail was that I can't stand up and talk infront of a room of people about a Lot less stressful topics, never mind coming out to everyone as trans. If you've heard about a lot of people doing presentations/meetings at work, you don't have to do it like that if you don't want to. I got it sent out it while out of the office because I wanted to give everyone a chance to read my message (and for me to know that they've read it - some people take a few hours to get through all their mail), soak it in and decide how they felt about it before I was having to talking to them about work stuff. I got no negative reactions from anybody at work (80 people working quite closely on one floor), and had quite a few positive replies to my e-mail.

However, very rarely did anyone remember to use male pronouns for quite a while. In fact, it wasn't really until after I was gone for a month.. Then people had magically switched when I came back!


The day after I came out at work, I came out to.. Facebook, which included pretty much everyone else in my life that I hadn't/wouldn't get a chance to speak to in person for a while. I wanted to do everyone before starting T. I made three different categories of friends and sent three variations of messages out, depending on how well I knew people. I got tons of responses, all supportive. I even sent a short message to old school friends that I hadn't spoken to in years, since I was changing my gender on my profile and wanted them to know from me, not from somebody else, why that was. It was nice to re-connect with them too. :)


And.. That was me done. Everyone that I care even a little bit about now knows, and I feel really honoured that nobody has disowned me!

One last suggestion: If you invite somebody (by text is great in fact - a simple message without room for elaboration) to meet you somewhere you wouldn't normally meet and say you want a chat, or there's something you want to talk about.. Assuming you don't often do that, that can be a bit of a heads up, and if someone clocks onto it they start imagining a scenario in which you're going to tell them something important like "I'm gay/I'm pregnant/getting married/dying" or perhaps even "I'm trans" (though a less jumped-to conclusion). They then get some time to think about how they'd feel if you did say any of those things, and the whole thing usually goes smoother.


I leave you with some coming out bloopers [Coming out usually doesn't go to plan]:

- Me failing at coming out as trans: "I've got something to tell you..... *huge pause in which I ponder bailing and eventually decide to say:* ... I'm.. pregnant..?" That really confused things. >_>
- I nearly missed New Year 2010 while coming out to a friend at a new year party.
- One friend's response to me coming out to him, while in a gay bar... "By the way, when you get a penis, you're f**king me with it first. Deal?"
- I literally have no recollection of coming out to one particular friend, who insists we had a really long and interesting conversation about it. I was pretty hammered that night. :S
- My uncle phoned my mobile phone from Iran a few weeks ago, trying to get in contact with my dad. This is an uncle that I've never met or spoken to before, and who doesn't speak good English.
"Uh hello is Morgan there?" "Yeah that's me, who's this?" "Um no I'm looking for Morgan [Second-Name]?" "That's me.. Who are you?" "Is your dad [Dads Name]?" "Yes..." "But, you're a man..? I'm [Name], I need to talk to my niece.." So at this point it was too late to suggest he had the wrong number. I tried to explain to him, it went something along the lines of: "...Um, ok. So, I'm not your niece any more, now I'm your nephew." "What?" ".... I'm transgender" "What?" "Transsexual?" "..... Ooooooohhhhhh, I get it I think! How long have you been a man?" And we ended up having one of the most odd phone conversations I've ever had. :P
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Brent123

I came out to my brother today.  :)
He said that there was nothing wrong with me, I couldn't help the way my brain was wired. He said he knew on some level so he wasn't surprised when I told him.
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JohnAlex

Quote from: Brent123 on March 26, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
I came out to my brother today.  :)
He said that there was nothing wrong with me, I couldn't help the way my brain was wired. He said he knew on some level so he wasn't surprised when I told him.

Aww, that's so great :)

I have a brother, when I tell him, I hope it will turn out that nice as well.

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wheat thins are delicious

Quote from: Devin87 on March 25, 2011, 07:53:27 AM
am even debating starting to go by my male name in certain circles, but I don't see the point just yet. 

it can help.  It helped me to know there were people that respected me for who I was.  Now that I've come out fully everyone calls me my male name, except my family (but that's a whole other story)


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Dominic

I'm from a very non-communicative family, so this is really an example of what not to do.

I have actually only once "come out", and that was to a friend over messenger, who was completely unsurprised. When I went to college, I introduced myself to some people as Nick, so now I have a small group of people who call me "he" and correct other people when they use "she", but I've never actually spelled out to them what's going on. (although I'm betting most of them know, seeing as I'm pre-everything at the moment)

As for my parents...they have asked me repeatedly if I "want a sex change", or "really want a penis?" To which I replied yes, but never elaborated. This issue was mostly ignored or joked about. Until I mentioned that I wanted to change my name. In retrospect, I should have introduced the topic more gently, explained it more thoroughly, and had a real discussion about it. Instead, it turned into a big screaming match about how if I try to transition, I will be financially cut off and no longer recognized as a member of the family.

I think that maybe if I was able to explain things better, things may not have turned out so bad. Then again, my mother was always against...pretty much everything about me, to be honest. Maybe she'll change her mind and accept me, but we've been arguing about this topic since I was twelve, so I doubt it.
"In this day and age, some turn 18 and think they're a man or a woman and that's it, but that's just not true. You have to establish your manhood or your womanhood with actions."
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Stephe

My experience is: ONE friend right after I did freaked out, started yelling at me etc which on hindsight was based on THEIR metal issues not my being trans. I think they might be gay and deep in the closet about it? I was kinda sad to lose them as a friend but, their loss.

Everyone else has been great, family has accepted I am now a woman, old friends are fine with it etc. It took a while for old friends to stop using he and start using her and actually took some explaining "This is important to me" to get them to change. I found it odd it took that, you would think it's pretty obvious but I guess gender get's burned into their brain? The name change seemed much easier for them then gender pronouns. I found the harest part was just getting up the nerve to do it, actually doing it was easy for me. YMMV of course..
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MaxAloysius

I'm a blunt confrontation kinda guy, grabbed my mother away from the family a couple of days before Christmas, sat her down and said, 'So, I'm a guy.' Then continued to explain, 'So I'm going to be changing from now on, I'm not going to be a girl anymore. I'm a transexual, and I'm going to go and see some doctors and start medically transitioning into a guy.' then just sat there and waited for her to say something. :P

Probably not the best way to break the news to someone, but it's the way I work, and considering how blunt I am with everyone, I've never had any bad responses. No wait, that's not true, I did have one bad reaction, and that was from a guy I knew online. It turns out he had a mega crush on me, continued to argue with me as I tried to explain, and eventually ended the conversation with, 'I still want to ->-bleeped-<- you before you become disgusting!' So yeah, not the greatest, but you get those that can't handle it. Fortunately, he was only online, all of my rl friends have taken it really well, and I had the same, blunt aproach with each of them. I find the best thing to do is give them the bare facts, then walk away and let them think about it for a while, at which point they can come back and ask you for clarification or justification at a later point, when they're ready to hear what you have to say.

I tried to explain a little better to one of my friends and just kind of ended up overloading her, she didn't seem ready to listen to and understand all of the sudden information. She broke off the conversation and came back to talk to me a couple of weeks later about it a little more in depth.

And yeah, it really does seem to be all about the genitals to everyone XZ People can't seem to understand that my gender isn't solely defined by what I have beneath the belt :( I even knew one guy who when he saw me for the first time after a big break went, 'Hey Max! Do you have a penis yet?' and when I frowned and said no he replied with, 'Oh, then you're not a guy yet.' and switched to calling me by my birth name and female pronouns. Damn that guy pissed me off, needless to say, he bit the dirt as a friend after that conversation :P
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Stephe

On the "what's in my pants" or "Have you had surgery", I refuse to answer that question other than "That's not something you need to know is it?"  Very few people other than my boyfriend ever see me with my clothes off and like you said, people WILL gender you if you answer that one. I think a lot of people assume I have and I'm not going to correct them either.
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Dominick_81

When I came out to my grandmother I had my cousins with me b/c there was no way I could have done it alone, I was way to nervous and scared. There's no easy way to tell someone your trans. It's like you just gota blurt it out.  I just came out to another friend just before I started T. I knew he would be cool, (which he was) but I had to explain to him that I was straight, not gay, b/c every time I come out and tell someone I'm trans and like girls they think I'm gay and they don't know the difference between being gay and being trans and that drives me crazy. They say, "what's the difference? your a girl. " And I have to tell them, "I'm a boy trapped in a female body, I'm not gay". They still don't really fully understand it after I tell them b/c their still seeing me as a female.

And for tips to coming out to anyone... for me, it was easier having my cousins there with me, so maybe someone you already came out to and supports you, maybe they can be there with you when you come out to your parents or anyone.

When I came out to my mom, it actually came out in a fight. I wasn't planning on telling her b/c my grandmother told me not to for awhile, and my mom had some stuff she was dealing with and I didn't want to make things worse by telling her I was trans.


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N.Chaos

Quote from: Brent123 on March 26, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
I came out to my brother today.  :)
He said that there was nothing wrong with me, I couldn't help the way my brain was wired. He said he knew on some level so he wasn't surprised when I told him.

That's awesome, my mom's response was a lot like that.
My coming out has been pretty uneventful, the only person that's really had a hard time understanding it is my girlfriend. I've only told my close friends, my mom and three of my aunts. I'm avoiding talking to my dad because he's impossible to talk to, I have no clue how I'm going to manage that one. I think to a lot of people who've known me it's a little obvious though, I've never been comfortable in " all girl" situations, I've never been girly, I absolutely HATE my legal name.  The only people I told face to face were my mom, my girlfriend and my best friend though. I went the elaborately-long-facebook-message route, mainly because I didn't want to start sobbing on the phone and I'm horrible at non-violent confrontations.

As for advice, I'd say it definitely depends on the person, and on you. If you're worried about keeping it together, do it via letter. I don't think it's "impersonal", I think a lot of times its a better way to do it so you can really get your thoughts together and word stuff the way you want.
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Michael Joseph

First person i came out to was my best friend, she told me she loves me no matter what, and that im like the brother she never had. Then i came out to the rest of my friends, and most of the people i work with. Just about everyone was really cool with it, i just had to explain A LOT. Then my sister found out, but she was totally cool about it. Next, i came out to my mom. She was so nice about it, It still hurts her i can tell, but shes trying really hard and wants to be apart of everything. She told my dad (and many other people). But then i came out to my dad myself. He took it the best out of everyone.

Aaron

well first i properly came out to my best friend Taylor. shes a tomboy and i had told her i wanted to be a boy since we were little, but i just used the proper words for it and stuff. then i kinda came out to my parents sometime in january 2011. id got really depressed and it had been building up on me. then one day i came home from school and just started crying in the kitchen :(. my mum came and i just told her how i feel. i still dont tell her all though. and she continues to call me she and hannah. but im not really out anywhere so i guess its best for now:(.  but cos im seeing some psychiatrist guy i might be able to start T when im 16. i heard you get the best results the younger you get it  :)
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Devyn

My friends saw it coming and most were awesome about it. Most.

My mom was ashamed of me or something, or embarrassed, and refused to talk about it.

My dad was awesome about it too, and said that he loves me no matter what I do.
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