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is therapy really necessary?

Started by Anon, March 28, 2011, 10:28:33 PM

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Linus

Quote from: sascraps on March 29, 2011, 02:26:23 PM
As far as I know, my state requires having had surgery to amend your birth certificate. I'm not sure if the same applies to a legal name change.

Ontario is an example of a province that does not require surgery for name change. Now, gender change on birth certification -- that requires a letter that says you've had surgery that aligns to gender reassignment (it doesn't require specific surgery, just a surgeon's letter).

I have to admit I've never understood the requirement for specific surgery. I mean, seriously. How are they going to check? Ultrasound or MRI you from head to toe?
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Tad

Alberta you can change Drivers, Health Care, Passport, Government issued id's, everything.. genderwise with a letter from a psychiatrist. Name change anyone can do.. you don't need no approval to do it. However, until I've had a hystorectomy I will not be allowed to change the gender on my birth certificate or my SIN. Therefore, employers will always know that I am 'female' if they look at my SIN information or anywhere that requests a birth certificate til I get that hysto done.
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Anon

Quote from: Liam-XXI on March 29, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Hey, You're from up north, eh?

If you're on the west coast, like BC - this might be helpful for you/a doctor
http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/careguidelines.html

These are also other Canadian-specific links to resources/information!
http://www.rainbowhealth.ca/english/trans.html
Wow, thanks man, that last link is great! I am from BC - my appointment is even at VCH. :laugh: Looks like I'll be in good hands.

Quote from: PandaValentine on March 29, 2011, 04:41:40 PM
Still, it's very likely they are not going to want to feel responsible, if you regret it, which from what I understand rarely happens but they make it seem like it happens all the time!
Yeah, that's kind of understandable. I can imagine that if they didn't check for other issues at all, there were would be a lot more detransitions..which would eventually make us have to jump through even more hoops! :|

Quote from: Tad on March 29, 2011, 06:25:47 PM
Alberta you can change Drivers, Health Care, Passport, Government issued id's, everything.. genderwise with a letter from a psychiatrist.
Nice.. I've heard in Alberta the gov. pays for some/all trans surgeries, is that true?
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Linus

Quote from: Tad on March 29, 2011, 06:25:47 PM
Alberta you can change Drivers, Health Care, Passport, Government issued id's, everything.. genderwise with a letter from a psychiatrist. Name change anyone can do.. you don't need no approval to do it. However, until I've had a hystorectomy I will not be allowed to change the gender on my birth certificate or my SIN. Therefore, employers will always know that I am 'female' if they look at my SIN information or anywhere that requests a birth certificate til I get that hysto done.

Why would SIN be different than Passport (both which are federally mandated and controlled)?
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Tad

Quote from: funson on March 29, 2011, 06:59:01 PM

Nice.. I've heard in Alberta the gov. pays for some/all trans surgeries, is that true?

Alberta slashed trans funding in 2009. However since masectomies and hysto's are covered for normal women.. trans people get to claim those two as well. (game is much different for mtf's). Ummm bottom surgery is not covered. However according to my appointment last week, they just slid another 30 people in to get funding for surgeries out in Montreal..
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Tad

Quote from: Linus on March 29, 2011, 07:13:49 PM
Why would SIN be different than Passport (both which are federally mandated and controlled)?

SIN is dependent on birth certificate. Passport is not in this case. They realize that it is dangerous/wrong for a full transitioned person to have an F or an M (wrongly) on their passport so there is legislation allowing passports to be changed with special permission from certain psychiatrists.
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Linus

Quote from: Tad on March 29, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
SIN is dependent on birth certificate. Passport is not in this case. They realize that it is dangerous/wrong for a full transitioned person to have an F or an M (wrongly) on their passport so there is legislation allowing passports to be changed with special permission from certain psychiatrists.

That's interesting and a tad frustrating for me. My SIN is the only gov't ID have besides a passport (I never got a driver's license because I've always lived in big cities and/or bicycled to and from places). I think I might get a state ID and use that for future (IIRC, California allows for gender to be what you ID as).

Although, now that I think about it Ontario is ok with just a letter from the surgeon (they aren't interested in specifics since it violates Privacy Laws).
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Liam K

Quote from: sascraps on March 29, 2011, 12:10:52 PM
A little off topic, but how do you live as a male full time before any physical transition? As in, when you can't legally claim a male name or apply for a job under a name other than your legal name, and so forth?

You do not need to have undergone any form of physical transition before changing your name in any US state.  Lots of people change their names for all kinds of reasons.  When I got my name changed, there were 40 other people in the room with me, not one of whom seemed to me to be trans, who were all changing their names for some reason, whether it was because they just didn't like their current name or because they wanted their name to reflect a changing family situation, etc.  A few judges might give you a hard time about changing your name to a male-sounding name and may even deny your name change petition, but generally if you can provide sufficient reasons (e.g., all of your family and friends have known you by this name for x amount of time), you should be okay.  With a court-ordered name change, you can change your name on any official document, with the possible exception of your birth certificate, depending on your state.  And in a lot of states, you can change your gender marker on your drivers license with just a doctors note.  US Passports, too, only require a doctors note to change the gender marker, and these notes do not have to indicate that you have undergone medical transition, just that you identify as male and that that identification is stable (like you're not changing your mind about it every ten minutes).  Birth certificates are usually a bit trickier with respect to the gender marker, but birth certificates also rarely matter.  I mean, how often do you ever have to show anyone your birth certificate?  Once you've gotten a social security number, drivers license, and passport, the answer is pretty much never.

I socially transitioned two years before beginning medical transition.  I started being known by my new name and pronouns, and used that information on everything except official forms and job applications (and then once I'd gotten the job I would explain the situation to my boss so that I could be called the correct name).  I got my name legally changed about a year later, and have still not gotten my gender marker changed on any documents because I just started seeing a doctor and haven't gotten around to asking her yet, but that has proved not to matter at all.  Even when I got pulled over by the cops for speeding - he looked closely enough at my license to write down my height and weight, but despite the F marker, still addressed me as sir (and this was in rural Oregon, so not a super progressive area or anything).  And I was read as male frequently even before coming out as trans, so I was really just lucky in that respect.  But in short, living as male full time before/without medical transition is possible, and many people do it.
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