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Why Transsexual LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIPS NEVER lasts?

Started by Sad Girl, April 21, 2011, 05:39:39 AM

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Sad Girl

I don't know a single one who lasted for more than 10 years. To the most I saw some 1-2 years. Even the so-called married transsexuals, I never saw a single one lasting forever like the average hetero couples. Even if I saw one lasting for at least 10 years I'd be so happy to see, but none.

Why is this so? Can someone point me out a transsexual couple (a trans woman + the straight man) which lasted for at least 10 years or if not 30 or forever. This would give me be great hope.
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justmeinoz

Given the duration of a large percentage ofheterosexual marriages between non-TS partners these days,I wouldn't be too disappointed. 
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Gabby

Quote from: Sad Girl on April 21, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
I don't know a single one who lasted for more than 10 years. To the most I saw some 1-2 years. Even the so-called married transsexuals, I never saw a single one lasting forever like the average hetero couples. Even if I saw one lasting for at least 10 years I'd be so happy to see, but none.

Why is this so? Can someone point me out a transsexual couple (a trans woman + the straight man) which lasted for at least 10 years or if not 30 or forever. This would give me be great hope.
Where are you getting this information????

I'm as far from the norm in all respects being Trans does not define me anywhere near completely, it's a situation I was born into it has given me freedom of mind, I can imagine some would want to eradicate Transsexuality when it's as much a gift as a curse.
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Sarah Louise

I've been married for 45 years.  I told my wife before we married that I wanted to be a woman.  It hasn't always been easy for either of us, but we have come to terms with it.

I am and have been on hormones, I live and work as a woman, so yes, its fulltime.

Its a matter of committment, not just day to day feelings.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Izumi

Quote from: Sad Girl on April 21, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
I don't know a single one who lasted for more than 10 years. To the most I saw some 1-2 years. Even the so-called married transsexuals, I never saw a single one lasting forever like the average hetero couples. Even if I saw one lasting for at least 10 years I'd be so happy to see, but none.

Why is this so? Can someone point me out a transsexual couple (a trans woman + the straight man) which lasted for at least 10 years or if not 30 or forever. This would give me be great hope.

My fiance and I have been together 2 years so far.  With marriage around the corner and similar goals in life, i don't see it ending anytime in the near or far future. 

However i can tell you that the reason why most marriages fail is because of sentiment today to the idea of marriage and has nothing to do with TS.  The reason why heterosexual marriages tend to last longer is because of typically children.  A lot of them stay because of the kids and when they are out of the house, bam! divorce. 

If you want an answer to the question why marriages dont last here are a few:
1) selfishness not love is the motivation to get married.  Many people view marriage as what they can get from their partners rather then what they can give.  If both people have this way of thinking the marriage is doomed from the start because once one person takes all they can, and when there is nothing left, they will usually leave to find another person.  If you truly love someone you put their needs in front of your own, if both people do that the marriage will not fail.

2) ignoring red flags,  like most women that make mistakes in choosing men you ignore red flags, like abuse, or quirks in behavior thinking that in marriage you can change these, YOU CANT, you either accept the person as they are or your dont, tension happens when you force someone to change and that eventually leads to divorce.

3) the woman, you know i hate to say it, but i truly believe women today is why marriages fail in general.  Guys, no offense but your kind of easy to read and manipulate, typically all you want is food, sex, sleep, and praise.  I find men to typically be more mature versions of what they were as kids.  When he gets a raise he is excited and wants to show it, you praise him, hes a happy camper, but you scold him for forgetting the groceries instead and hes a sad panda and feels under appreciated.   A guy could have the worst day of his life, but when he comes home you kiss him say you love him give him a nice meal and maybe some fun after and he just had the best day of his life, try that with a woman! If i am in a bitchy mood, he better stay the hell out of my way till the storm blows over, there is literally little he can do to make it better, but a lot to make it worse.   Understanding this you can see that women have a little bit more power in the relationships since they control how happy or sad their man is with there actions.  A man sad enough for long enough will leave, usually because his needs are being ignored.

4) Social pressures are different.  In the past if you got a divorce it was taboo, and there weren't a lot of opportunities for women, so they stayed in bad relationships or even abusive ones because they feared having to try to make it again in life so late in life.  Now that has changed and women's mentalities have changed and so marriage rates have also changed.   

Notice that all i have mentioned is not just TS related.  In general people have become different and more selfish and/ or lazy about caring for their marriage.  Which is why it fails.  If a TS woman does everything right but picked a scumbag, it fails, if she does something wrong for long enough, it fails, but if she does everything right and picked a good man it will last just as long as any other marriage.  I know a few people married over 10 years and are TS.  That's where i learned what keeps a marriage together.

So have hope, but make sure you are ready to marry when someone asks you, and make sure you truly love them and for what you can get from them materially and emotionally. 

Oh i forgot to mention communication, typically women misread men because the typical man doesn't use words to convey feelings but instead uses actions.  For example, if while your getting ready for work he goes out and cleans the snow off your car and warms it up for you so you dont have to be cold when you go out; thats his way of saying, I love you.   So dont complain when he doesnt say it often, if you see what he does for you, you might find he is saying it in a much better way.  My fiance walked 1 mile in a rainstorm to bring me a sandwich for my work lunch and i didnt even ask him to, he just did it since i didnt have lunch and he remembered a 24 hour sandwich place i liked from a previous conversation.   That is what i mean, and that is just one of the many things hes done to say I LOVE YOU in his own special way.



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rejennyrated

Quote from: Sad Girl on April 21, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
Can someone point me out a transsexual couple (a trans woman + the straight man) which lasted for at least 10 years or if not 30 or forever. This would give me be great hope.
Your theory is flawed.

I personally know of two couples that have lasted over 20 years - unfortunately I can't point them out because they live private lives and wouldn't appreciate publicity.

And then there is Alison and I. Ok we aren't a straight couple but we have been together for 23 years now.
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BunnyBee

It's definitely not true that a transsexual person has no hope of enjoying a long-term relationship, however we do have odds stacked against us for a variety of reasons.

For one, if you want to maximize the probability of having your relationship last for decades then you should marry a very religious and conservative person, and for added insurance, have kids with them like Izumi mentioned.  Unfortunately, children notwithstanding, such a person is not likely to be marrying a transsexual and if they do, they may be feeling conflicted about things, which isn't a good place to be starting.

Really though, these partnerships last longer because of strong social pressure within their culture which essentially holds unhappy relationships together long after love has flown the coop.  Is it such a bad thing to not be trapped in a relationship with somebody you don't really like anymore?  Probably not.

If you find the right person and do your part to keep the bond strong, there is no reason you couldn't have a relationship that lasts forever.  This means being emotionally stable, not getting wrapped up in yourself with trans-related problems or otherwise.  It means knowing how to keep your partner happy and doing it, and, equally important, finding somebody who will do the same for you.  Not easy...
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cynthialee

One of my close friends localy is trans and she has been with her husband for about 25 years...
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Izumi on April 21, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
My fiance and I have been together 2 years so far.  With marriage around the corner and similar goals in life, i don't see it ending anytime in the near or far future. 

However i can tell you that the reason why most marriages fail is because of sentiment today to the idea of marriage and has nothing to do with TS.  The reason why heterosexual marriages tend to last longer is because of typically children.  A lot of them stay because of the kids and when they are out of the house, bam! divorce. 

If you want an answer to the question why marriages dont last here are a few:
1) selfishness not love is the motivation to get married.  Many people view marriage as what they can get from their partners rather then what they can give.  If both people have this way of thinking the marriage is doomed from the start because once one person takes all they can, and when there is nothing left, they will usually leave to find another person.  If you truly love someone you put their needs in front of your own, if both people do that the marriage will not fail.

2) ignoring red flags,  like most women that make mistakes in choosing men you ignore red flags, like abuse, or quirks in behavior thinking that in marriage you can change these, YOU CANT, you either accept the person as they are or your dont, tension happens when you force someone to change and that eventually leads to divorce.

3) the woman, you know i hate to say it, but i truly believe women today is why marriages fail in general.  Guys, no offense but your kind of easy to read and manipulate, typically all you want is food, sex, sleep, and praise.  I find men to typically be more mature versions of what they were as kids.  When he gets a raise he is excited and wants to show it, you praise him, hes a happy camper, but you scold him for forgetting the groceries instead and hes a sad panda and feels under appreciated.   A guy could have the worst day of his life, but when he comes home you kiss him say you love him give him a nice meal and maybe some fun after and he just had the best day of his life, try that with a woman! If i am in a bitchy mood, he better stay the hell out of my way till the storm blows over, there is literally little he can do to make it better, but a lot to make it worse.   Understanding this you can see that women have a little bit more power in the relationships since they control how happy or sad their man is with there actions.  A man sad enough for long enough will leave, usually because his needs are being ignored.

4) Social pressures are different.  In the past if you got a divorce it was taboo, and there weren't a lot of opportunities for women, so they stayed in bad relationships or even abusive ones because they feared having to try to make it again in life so late in life.  Now that has changed and women's mentalities have changed and so marriage rates have also changed.   

Notice that all i have mentioned is not just TS related.  In general people have become different and more selfish and/ or lazy about caring for their marriage.  Which is why it fails.  If a TS woman does everything right but picked a scumbag, it fails, if she does something wrong for long enough, it fails, but if she does everything right and picked a good man it will last just as long as any other marriage.  I know a few people married over 10 years and are TS.  That's where i learned what keeps a marriage together.

So have hope, but make sure you are ready to marry when someone asks you, and make sure you truly love them and for what you can get from them materially and emotionally. 

Oh i forgot to mention communication, typically women misread men because the typical man doesn't use words to convey feelings but instead uses actions.  For example, if while your getting ready for work he goes out and cleans the snow off your car and warms it up for you so you dont have to be cold when you go out; thats his way of saying, I love you.   So dont complain when he doesnt say it often, if you see what he does for you, you might find he is saying it in a much better way.  My fiance walked 1 mile in a rainstorm to bring me a sandwich for my work lunch and i didnt even ask him to, he just did it since i didnt have lunch and he remembered a 24 hour sandwich place i liked from a previous conversation.   That is what i mean, and that is just one of the many things hes done to say I LOVE YOU in his own special way.
A fantastic reply, you definitely understand men, I know my FiancĂ© nearly 4years now, Im  married to Him for 8months (last August 2010) he knows my history, he is a good Husband, I try and hope Im a good housewife to Him, I hope it lasts beyond 10years, infact I hope it last forever, he treats me like a lady, has great respect for me and is an absolute Gentleman, he always puts me first, we have a good understanding relationship, I feel very secure as a woman just being with Him, he loves me the way I am, it will last as long as we want it to last, hopefully I'II be still posting about Him here for years to come.
Pauline
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Northern Jane

My second marriage lasted 13 years. I was 30 when we met, 6 years post, and my medical background had NOTHING to do with why we split.

I think one factor you have to consider is that most hetero marriages probably stay together longer "for the sake of the kids" and that is rarely a factor when one partner is infertile and there are no children.

There are also many thousands of post-op women out there who are stealth and there is no way to know what their chance of divorce is or how long their marriages last.

I think you are making a sweeping statement with no basis.
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cynthialee

Sevan and I are both trans and have been togather for the last 7 years. We both knew of the others transgender feelings before we married. I know it isnt the 10 year mark you are looking for and I am not with a man but give it time... (the ten years part, I doubt Sevan will transition completely)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Nygeel

Quote from: Sad Girl on April 21, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
I don't know a single one who lasted for more than 10 years. To the most I saw some 1-2 years. Even the so-called married transsexuals, I never saw a single one lasting forever like the average hetero couples. Even if I saw one lasting for at least 10 years I'd be so happy to see, but none.

Why is this so? Can someone point me out a transsexual couple (a trans woman + the straight man) which lasted for at least 10 years or if not 30 or forever. This would give me be great hope.
I know of a transsexual couple which was at one point a straight man and a straight woman which became a not so straight trans woman and a not so straight cis woman. They've been together since high school and are now in their 60s. They have a son who is in his 30s I think, and the trans woman half of the relationship transitioned awhile after he was born (don't know how long).

So, they lasted forever, IMO.
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Jinny

My husband & I have been together for over 18 years, he knows of my past & that hasn't impacted our relationship either way. I think to state that trans relationships have no hope is being a little general, all people have issues of some sort, some make it together some don't, adding to the challenges of life by deciding that you have no hope of a long-term relationship because you are trans, kind of sets you up for failure.
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