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Is FFS overrated?

Started by Constance, April 18, 2011, 02:18:09 PM

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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: AmySmiles on October 03, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
I saved for 3 years.  I had forehead, nose, chin & jaw, and trach shave done by Dr. O and it cost about $40k.  Like Wonderdyke - I love that name btw :D - I went from being somewhat passable (from certain angles and with certain hairstyles) to passable from all angles.  I also look a lot more like my sister than I did before, and she's jealous of my nose now.

Here's a zero makeup, zero contouring, somewhat high-res webcam photo from 2 angles if you would like to see how unnatural I look. ;)  I linked it cause it's about 200 kilobytes.
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx263/AmySmiles729/Me/3_5_months_post.jpg

First of all, thank you.  I like to think of my lesbianism as a heroic trait.

I know what you mean!  My sister (14 years old) and I now look so similar we could star in a Doublemint commercial (well, except for our height).
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eli77

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 03, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
How is everyone affording the surgery and how much did it cost you?

I could explain exactly where the money came from, but it's really not that interesting. Basically, my parents paid for it. $23k for forehead, nose and trach shave.

Quote from: AmySmiles on October 03, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
I also look a lot more like my sister than I did before, and she's jealous of my nose now.

My sister came with me to Boston to look after me, so since she was there Spiegel copied her nose onto my face. Of course it looks rather smaller on my face, which irritates her to no end.
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SandraJane

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 03, 2011, 03:15:03 PM
Pardon?  What kind of surgeon can only guarantee a result that requires that you wear makeup, and even still cannot guarantee a natural-looking result?

There's a reason there are very few accredited surgeons performing these surgeries.  They're complicated, delicate, and require years of practice and experience to perfect.

I had everything but the upper lip lift done on me by Dr. Ousterhout nine and a half months ago.  I did not need all of these procedures to pass.  Frankly, I could have done without any of them.  But they made me from marginally passable to pretty, and they in no way "required" me wearing makeup.  I don't wear makeup.  I don't contour.  And my face doesn't look "freakish" or "unnatural" or anything but within the bounds of a normal female.* I resent the misinformation spread about FFS that it makes people look surgerized, unnatural, and less passable than they were before it.  For so many women, FFS is a godsend, a life-changing experience for the better.

*In fact, I have a sister.  I look just like her now that I've had surgery.

(Oh, also, it didn't cost anywhere near 70k.  I don't know where everyone gets this number.)

Where's Rhino P when you need them? With all of the info and postings on our site, and the YahooGroups, and some of the Surgeon sites (Dr Z, Dr Beck, Dr DiMaggio -FemLife), still there seems to be a misunderstanding of what an FFS is...it is FEMINIZATION of the face. Reshaping the face, forehead, nose, jaw and chin. Look at Amy Smiles and Mehgan Andrews, no makeup!

Overrated? ???
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Forever21Chic

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 03, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
How is everyone affording the surgery and how much did it cost you?


    Prostitution maybe?  :laugh:
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Jen61

Quote from: Caith on April 18, 2011, 08:29:41 PM
I don't think I'd ever have a full FFS treatment, but there are a few things I'd definitely have done:

  • brow bossing/reduction
  • brow lift
  • upper lip lift
  • tracheal shave

Ditto here Caith, mayybe we should go together and ask for a group dicount  :laugh:

Jen61
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lauren3

From what I've seen the results are amazing! I know there's a lot of rumours spread about it, but they can be de-bunked pretty easily. It seems like the majority gain more confidence in themselves, and feel more comfortable - that's what it's all about isn't it?

My concern is the cost... So many figures are chucked around.. Does anyone have a definite/approximate price range? I've asked another girl who had it done and she said it cost around 65K USD! Pretty expensive stuff!!
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: lauren3 on October 03, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
From what I've seen the results are amazing! I know there's a lot of rumours spread about it, but they can be de-bunked pretty easily. It seems like the majority gain more confidence in themselves, and feel more comfortable - that's what it's all about isn't it?

My concern is the cost... So many figures are chucked around.. Does anyone have a definite/approximate price range? I've asked another girl who had it done and she said it cost around 65K USD! Pretty expensive stuff!!

Ousterhout did mine for 30K + 9K hospital costs, for a total of 39K.
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Meshi

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 03, 2011, 02:07:23 AM


Those pics are incredible Michelle ! where did you get your FFS work done? you would never think you were the same person.
My first series of two days of 10hrs back to back FFS was with Dr. Ousterhaut..The cost total was around 45k i believe. It included: Tracheal Shave, Jawline recontouring, chin with titanium plate,rhinoplasty, browline brussing and obital rim, Forehead lift with Scalp Advancement, lipo to the abdominal area.  I later went to Dr. Toby Meltzer who put in Malar Cheek Implants ( bad move as fat grafting is better if done right, and he isnt the best in any type of face work), Dr. Toby Mayer did a revisionary on my nose, as Dr. Meltzer made it too pointy. My last was with Dr.Zurkowski and he  far surpasses Dr. O not only in his aftercare regimen, which is a deep massage to the jawline, chin and neck areas.  He recently did forehead and scalp advancement another about 3/4 inch.., re-angle jawline, take out the titanium plate, that he told me Dr O didnt even have it screwed in and was just floating around, also orbital rim, he also did fat grafting to the face. I know of someone that just got a price for full FFS from Dr Z for $32K, so he is a bit less expensive than Dr. O and more aggressive. If i had to do it all over again i would have choose Dr. Z, as i would not have needed all this revisionary work and he is also much more advanced in technique and in aftercare. It is also a "known" that if you go with Dr. O you will have the Dr. O nose because everyone that gets a rhinoplasty with him ends up with the same nose, lol
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Meshi

Here are a few more pics the third one is 9 months aft hormones and some reverse body training..and then present..
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on October 04, 2011, 12:06:49 AM
It is also a "known" that if you go with Dr. O you will have the Dr. O nose because everyone that gets a rhinoplasty with him ends up with the same nose, lol

At least he makes a pretty nose. I'm happy with what I got with him, though I'm sorry to hear you had to go through all of those revisions!
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Naturally Blonde

It looks like the FFS surgeons in the U.S.A are much better than the one's here in the U.K. My friend had her surgery with a well respected surgeon in the U.K but the amount of scars she has she looks like she's been through a car windscreen! Her cheeks are lopsided and one eye is closed more than the other. I urge anyone considering FFS surgery to proceed with caution.

Sorry to put a negative spin on things but I think people should know of the risks involved. I think my friend is a very rare case but I now have second thoughts about having FFS.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Forever21Chic



  I made a before & after thread over in the FFS section, check it out!  ;D
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 04, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
It looks like the FFS surgeons in the U.S.A are much better than the one's here in the U.K. My friend had her surgery with a well respected surgeon in the U.K but the amount of scars she has she looks like she's been through a car windscreen! Her cheeks are lopsided and one eye is closed more than the other. I urge anyone considering FFS surgery to proceed with caution.

Sorry to put a negative spin on things but I think people should know of the risks involved. I think my friend is a very rare case but I now have second thoughts about having FFS.

Yeah.  A good FFS surgeon doing the works should have two scars: the hairline (or scalp, if without scalp advancement) and under the nose (for the rhinoplasty).  That's it.
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eli77

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 04, 2011, 05:18:12 PM
Yeah.  A good FFS surgeon doing the works should have two scars: the hairline (or scalp, if without scalp advancement) and under the nose (for the rhinoplasty).  That's it.

A trach shave also requires a scar, usually placed in the fold between your neck and jaw. Though I suppose technically that's neck surgery, not facial surgery. ;)
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wendy

I have a reasonable body for my age group but I do have male pattern baldness, a heavy bridged male nose and a normal male voice.  A wig, makeup and tasteful clothes and I pass for an age appropriate female... as long as I do not talk.  Therefore a $40 wig allows me to pass better than $30K in facial surgery.  Eventually I will have hair advanced, nose feminized and deviated septum fixed, brow bossing removed, and a face lift.  Surgeon told me I will look like a "pretty boy".

I tend to be unrealistic but one day I want to pass without a wig, without makeup and in boy clothes.  Surgeon told me I can pass for male without much effort after FFS.
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Sarah7 on October 04, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
A trach shave also requires a scar, usually placed in the fold between your neck and jaw. Though I suppose technically that's neck surgery, not facial surgery. ;)

Yeah.  I got one of those too, but I didn't consider it strictly part of FFS.  Either way, if it's done right, after a year of healing, it shouldn't raise any eyebrows unless you're looking closely at it.  A little scar, sure, but nothing enormous.

Quote from: wendy on October 04, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
I have a reasonable body for my age group but I do have male pattern baldness, a heavy bridged male nose and a normal male voice.  A wig, makeup and tasteful clothes and I pass for an age appropriate female... as long as I do not talk.  Therefore a $40 wig allows me to pass better than $30K in facial surgery.  Eventually I will have hair advanced, nose feminized and deviated septum fixed, brow bossing removed, and a face lift.  Surgeon told me I will look like a "pretty boy".

I tend to be unrealistic but one day I want to pass without a wig, without makeup and in boy clothes.  Surgeon told me I can pass for male without much effort after FFS.

By providing the female norm in facial anatomy, FFS doesn't induce a magical change to female.  In fact, the androgynous face it creates simply means that other people will look for other cues – like breasts, hips, hair, voice, and clothing – to determine whether you're female.

That said, while, because of the pixie cut I'm currently wearing and my glasses, which mysteriously have some sort of feminizing effect, I normally pass for female even in guys' clothing.  Still, with proper binding and no glasses, I can pull off passing as male.  It's actually not too difficult, even as an otherwise highly passable female, as long as you have a male or sufficiently androgynous voice.
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Skyanne

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 04, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
It looks like the FFS surgeons in the U.S.A are much better than the one's here in the U.K. My friend had her surgery with a well respected surgeon in the U.K but the amount of scars she has she looks like she's been through a car windscreen! Her cheeks are lopsided and one eye is closed more than the other. I urge anyone considering FFS surgery to proceed with caution.

Sorry to put a negative spin on things but I think people should know of the risks involved. I think my friend is a very rare case but I now have second thoughts about having FFS.

I hope that wasn't Keith Altman! I'm having FFS with him soon.
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Xidorn

The leaf freaks a skill. Why does a device prompt Is FFS overrated?? Is FFS overrated? tutors the typewriter. A law outrages Is FFS overrated?.
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Xidorn on October 05, 2011, 05:00:04 AM
The leaf freaks a skill. Why does a device prompt Is FFS overrated?? Is FFS overrated? tutors the typewriter. A law outrages Is FFS overrated?.

Thoughtful comments.  Indeed, the leaf freaks a skill.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Skyanne on October 05, 2011, 04:52:04 AM
I hope that wasn't Keith Altman! I'm having FFS with him soon.

No, it wasn't Keith Altman? I've not heard of him where is he based?
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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