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Too soon?

Started by Sabriel Facrin, May 10, 2011, 03:57:26 PM

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Sabriel Facrin

This is something I brought up in the chatroom, but I feel it'd be really helpful to hear opinions from both mediums, and besides that I can more freely be more thorough about the details ---so, here goes!

I'm concerned about being...'too soon' for HRT.  I really don't have good practice with the skills: I don't have my voice practiced, I have an unpracticed jist of how to use makeup, I have some clothes, and my job status isn't...exactly grand.  Also, apparently I need to learn to walk in a more feminine way.
My local support and my family insist different ways on how to handle this whole process, but it ultimately comes down to 'wait', when not some form of 'Just don't do it'.  What to wait for is essentially about "Make sure you know you want this!", "Try to enter a relationship", "Try to get a strong job", etc., but I don't feel I really agree about this.  I for a while now was trying to run away from something I knew I felt for, and I've been in several relationships, one almost up of them almost going in particular ways.  I also feel that a job that wants to discriminate me would find ways to make loop-holes and fire me, which I feel would hurt me worse than just not be hired in the first place, on top of that a coworker suddenly changing their body and your identity towards them is a little big to suddenly deal with. :\  I've also had one of my friends suggest that I take anti-anxiety medicine.  I feel that drugs oriented directly for mood and mind are sinful and evasive to one's real behavior, and he should know better that I feel this way, and he's also a supporter that says that I should wait for several years so that my body can completely develop masculine before I work on it to change it.
So, honestly, they leave me feeling a little disoriented and discouraged... But... I really want to do this.  The 'pure' part of my personality knows what they say, knows that things might not pan out perfect, and knows that there's health risks.  She still really wants me to do this.  I've been getting ups and downs in my mood, where I feel really enthusiastic and in touch with what I want, only to bomb down and feel defeated, and it feels like it's getting progressively more severe.  I feel like I'm going crazy and I feel like I am because my body and mind are not getting any sort of applied treatment. (Which makes me feel that my really getting hyped up for corsets relates to.) It's just all leaving me miserable that I'm not doing it, and also leaving me feeling paranoid and defensive.   I'm scared that I'll snap, or do something harmful to myself.
Also, I -have- gone out cross dressed.  Some of my friends do a 'girls night out' thing where they help me cross dress and we all go out to do something.  It's not particularly common, but going out feels very free and good.  I'm very comfortable about looking like a woman, and I have to actively force myself into any kind of fear that I could be unsafe from this practice.  It might seem like cross dressing might be a good settling point, but the problem is that there's an 'empty' feeling that accompanies it, that I know that my body's still entirely masculine.
I feel like I can comprimise my issues.  I work enough hours/week that I can spare money to get clothes.  I can practice on makeup.  I can be silent until I get the hang of voice.  I don't think I walk overly manly even if it's not feminine.  Even then, don't I have a good while before my body starts to take to the hormones more visibly?

So...yeah...It's just troubling...Am I really too early to go into HRT, or should I go with it?
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girl_ashley

You are ready when YOU feel ready, not when anyone else say you are, including any therapists (or gatekeepers).  You don't have to have anything practiced in order to start HRT.  I didn't have a girl voice, didn't (and still dont) know makeup, or have a walk before I started HRT.  Going on HRT doesn't have mean you are full time or even part time.  You can be no time when you start.
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annette

Hi Sabriel

It's your process of transition, so you have to do it in your schedule.
Nobody can tell you when to go on Hst, only one can decide or you're ready and that's you, nobody else.

So, don't let you be discouraged by others.
If you feel, this is the time to do it.....go for it.

Other people don't know what a struggle it is to become who you are, they can have opinions but they don't feel what you feel.
So, you could say...walk a mile in my shoes and tell me your opinion again, I think it's chanced than.

Hugs sweety, and do what you think is right to do.
Annette
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andream

A good compromise might be taking only anti-androgens for a few months to see if you are comfortable. You won't get as much feminization as you would with estrogen, but you will (hopefully) halt any further masculinization from testosterone. This way you can ease into a full estrogen hormone regimen at a time suitable for you and you can also rest in then knowledge that you are doing something medically towards becoming less male in body. A few months on only anti-androgens is okay, but you wouldn't want to go too much longer than that because of the health risks - osteoperosis etc.

Having said that, don't let anybody tell you whether or not you are ready. You are ready when you feel ready. If you wait for all of the other things to fall into place - perfect job, perfect relationship etc etc you'll end up waiting forever.
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Morrigan

Whoever tells you that developing fully before starting HRT is a good idea, has no idea how the body grows. Earlier will provide better results, especially before puberty stops completely, age 25ish? I like the theory that health risks are worth the effort if the alternative is possible suicide or other bad decisions. trying to have relationships to cement your outside gender may help mask the pain but it will probably come back when(if) the relationship goes sour, and then you're older and it'll be that much harder on you. This has been my experience. If you are ready, don't let family tell you to wait.
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Sabriel Facrin

Ashely: That's really encouraging... ^^ It is a good point...it's because it takes a while, right?  One thing I in fact like about my therapist is that she said I shouldn't do what people tell me just because they tell me, even her...I guess I'm not taking such advice to heart strongly enough...?

Annette: Mmm...That's true.  Most of the supporters are in fact cisgenders, so it's something pretty unrelatable to them, and I didn't really think about that...

Andream: That sounds like a good idea...but to be honest, with the way I'm feeling, it feels like I can be comfortable going straight to a more full HRT...

Morrigan: Uhmm...age...25ish...?  That is kind of scary to think about because I'm already 24. ;.; But yeah..those are good points. ^^

Thanks for the replies everyone (including Cate and mehby on the chat earlier) I feel more comfortable about what I want to do now. ^^
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Cirnobyl

Hey, don't worry, I'm in the same position as you and I just went head first into self-med hrt. What the others said is right, the longer you wait the harder it is. I'm 25 too and I'm sorry I didn't start even sooner. Do what your heart tells you, ne? ^_^
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Sabriel Facrin

I wish it wasn't so important to learn the truth...But..we'll find happiness! ^^ That's what's most important!
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Janet_Girl

The first thing I did was to begin HRT, Sabriel.  I know it would be the longest to complete.  Then I began the study of just being the real me.  Makeup, voice, hair.  But that all came together quickly, it was the real me after all.  It took me 5 month from the start of everything pre-HRT till full time.  I am no on 3 years HRT and things are still changing.  I did say it was the longest.
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SiobhanB

Sabriel,

I just want to echo what everyone else here has said.  This is YOUR decision, no-one else's.  If you know in your heart that you're ready, then you're ready.  HRT takes time, which gives you plenty of opportunity to practice the other stuff, the voice, the mannerisms, the walk, make-up etc.  All that stuff is fun, and you'll feel so much better that you're on your way.

That being said, let no-one encourage you either.  Try and imagine what it would be like if there were no-one else to consider, maybe you lived alone in a new area with nobody else to influence your decision.  Whatever decision you'd make there would be based solely on what you want, without outside influences clouding your judgement.

And don't forget, we're always here when you need to talk.

Siobhan.
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EmilyElizabeth

The only thing that you really might want to start before HRT is laser/electrolysis.  Everything else can be learned along the way, and I feel HRT will help you become more comfortable with learning things like makeup and hair.

And two more things directly responding to people's advice on what they think you should do before starting HRT:

1.  Holding "getting into a relationship" as a prerequisite for HRT doesn't really make any sense to me at all.  To me, getting on hormones and experiencing the changes they bring is a very personal experience and it's often difficult to bring someone along the ride with you.  I had a friend who got into a relationship a few months before starting T and it recently ending.  Now, it wasn't necessarily a direct result of his changes in mood, voice or appearance, but it's possible that these played a factor.  Most importantly, though, this made for intense emotional stress for him and, believe me, you don't want to have anymore stress on your hands when going through this process!

2. It REALLY doesn't make sense to wait until you finish "developing as a man" before you start HRT.  In fact, if you want the best possible results (which, of course, you do) then you will want to start as early as possible.  Starting before you finish your development is actually a good thing, because it alter your male development into female development, while also limiting the amount of time your body is exposed to testosterone. 


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mehby

wasn't sure whether to post or not since we had a chat yesterday but for lurkers and perhaps a reminder to you i'll give it a shot and also include the chat log i saved for you :)

[17:10] <Sabriel> I'm wondering if there's such a thing as 'too soon' for HRT?  I really don't have good practice with the skills, and most of my friends (Specifically, the ones who try to support me) and family say to either wait or not do it.  However...My personality's 'pure' portion just feels ready.  Without a second thought she wants to do it, even when I think about that it can be harmful to my health or underwhelming in results.  It al
[17:11] <Sabriel> I hope that didn't cut off on anyone's screen or anything. XD
01[17:11] <mehby> it ends on it al :P
[17:11] <Sabriel> aw, ok.  I'll paste after that point.
[17:12] <Sabriel> It also drives me crazy that my body and mind isn't having anything done to it.  (I think that's why, when I tried corsets on a few times, I got really happy.  Just wearing women's clothes felt 'hollow') I feel like I'm getting miserable about just not doing HRT...If
[17:12] <Sabriel> it's a matter of comfort in being outside, every scarce now and then I've been doing 'girls night out' where me and some female friends go outside, with me dressed and wearing makeup (They do the makeup, but I'm going to push for them to help me do it myself) and I go silent because I don't have the voice practice.  I like being
[17:12] <Sabriel> outside dressed up, so I don't feel like I'd have a comfort problem if I start.
[17:14] <Sabriel> (That's the end of it.  The pasted lines go "It also drives... ....doing HRT...if" "it's a matter... ...I like being" and "outside dressed up.... ...if I start")
01[17:14] <mehby> well hrt takes time as it is anyway i dont think there is a thing as too soon from what you've said you know who you are but transitioning isnt just hrt
[17:16] <Sabriel> As in that I need to remember to practice skills for acting feminine and buy clothes and stuff that'll help me live 'full time' or 'part time'? Or are you talking about the mindset?
01[17:16] <mehby> i think the reason people who support you ask to wait is probably to be sure this is not only what you want but you need and a longterm situation
01[17:17] <mehby> yeah more of the skills that most girls would grow up learning obviously some dont like make-up, finding your own individual styles and learning to be you
[17:21] <Sabriel> Well...They can be somewhat open about it (part of 'somewhat' is that I'm not sure I trust them) but it's basically about if I'm sure this is something I want to do and that I haven't completed college and entered a high paying job...
[17:23] <Sabriel> Which...bothers me.  Because if I transition, it'd give me a hell of an uncomfortable situation in the workplace. -.-; and if they want to be closed minded against me they can find reasons to fire me instead of reasons to not hire me, which would get me worse off than just not having gotten hired... :\
[17:24] <Sabriel> On the skills part, I feel like I'm going to just end up doing what I feel comfortable with and what I feel helps me XD I don't want to jump from one lie (being male) to another (entering styles that I don't feel fine with)
[17:24] <mehby> I personally think it would be easier to transition during college rather than a workplace but thats my opinion
[17:25] <Sabriel> Yeah, especially because I'm trying to get into an online college.
[17:25] <Sabriel> So...good luck of them knowing anything I'm doing? XD
[17:26] <mehby> heh
[17:27] <Sabriel> As for knowing I want this and longterm situation...i definately know I want this, and several of them should know better -.-* I freaked out in October about being male.  It was rather bad IMO...and then several times, especially midmarch, I had more issues about still being male...So I'm sure I want this XD Longterm situation, I heard that there's health side-effects and that society doesn't take kindly about it all, but...I
[17:29] <Cate> HRT fixed 90% of gender dysphoria for me
[17:29] <Cate> My body no longer is forced to switch constantly between every thought, between male and female
[17:29] <Cate> Because now it only identifies itself as female, there's no conflict
[17:31] <Sabriel> mmm...I feel like...this body misfits against my soul, and I feel I'm trying to think in kinds of patterns that just aren't set up.  I think thos are the biggeset things that feel related to the dyphoria.  Plus, I never felt that my nature and instincts ever really proprely synced up with being a man, and the fact that I end up doing things as a guy puts me through discomfort and a bit of freaking out >.<
06[17:32] * Cate nods
[17:32] <Cate> I'm weird and like masculine things lol
[17:32] <Cate> To some degree
[17:32] <Cate> So long as it doesn't point to me being male I'm fine with it
[17:33] <Sabriel> I have things I like that are 'masculine'...but...it's kind of more about how than what, in my opinion.
[17:35] <mehby> its hard to explain gender really someone could live the exact same life after transition wear the same clothes etc but before was conflicted about their gender
[17:35] <mehby> some things are just how society views them at the moment
[17:37] <Sabriel> I don't feel I pay too strong of attention to how society views things.  To my friend's dismay, even before I quit trying to run away from who I am, there's plenty of times I've called things cute and pretty. XD Come to think of it, I guess just not really thinking too hard on society's opinion of me is probably why nobody I know ever gets surprised to hear me when I open up to them.
[17:38] <Sabriel> Thanks btw, for the help ^^
[17:38] <mehby> good for you :P
[17:39] <mehby> no problem, not sure i helped though ^^
[17:39] <Sabriel> You did answer directly some XD But putting out the opinions also was welcome.
[17:39] <Sabriel> Right now...the way I'm thinking...is that it really isn't too soon for me...that's fine, right? XD
01[17:40] <mehby> ofcourse :P
[17:40] <Sabriel> (Wow -.- Feeling nervous about not feeling nervous -.- ...which come to think of it was only initially nervousness from being inconfident about being confident...I'm the personification of contradiction? XD )
01[17:40] <mehby> lol
01[17:41] <mehby> or just have a good head on your shoulders
[17:41] <Cate> It's never too soon to start on hormones I think
[17:42] <Cate> I mean if you're already through with puberty, or even if you're not, there's not much to wait on
[17:42] <Sabriel> Uhm...speaking of which...
01[17:42] <mehby> well the hormones work better the earlier you start
[17:43] <Sabriel> I never got a straight answer...ever...Is 24 years old still pretty well effected?
[17:43] <Cate> Better than 50
[17:43] <Sabriel> XD ...no offense, but that's not inspiring by any stretch.
[17:43] <Cate> I'm 21 about, I'll have the same results as you will
[17:43] <Sabriel> Ah, ok.
[17:43] <Cate> If I were 18, it'd be better, 12 even more
[17:43] <Sabriel> But will it be much off compared to a teenager?
[17:43] <Cate> But I think like
[17:43] <mehby> bone structure might not be radically changed but should be okay :)
[17:43] <Cate> For people who start extremely young
[17:44] <Cate> Their genitals don't grow to full size if they're male so, makes sex reassignment a bit more complicated
[17:44] <mehby> im 22 :P not on hrt just yet hopefully soon
[17:44] <Cate> I think
[17:44] * Cate rolls around
[17:44] <mehby> lol
[17:44] <Cate> Really as soon as possible is good
[17:44] <Cate> You can never wait too little
[17:44] <Cate> Not with this sort of thing
[17:45] <Cate> And even then
[17:45] <Cate> If you don't consider your appearance, it's your well being that's important
[17:45] <Cate> Changing hormones should make you feel a -lot- better
[17:45] <Cate> And the sooner you can do that, then the better off you'll be
[17:46] <Sabriel> Well, it's just that I was scared that I could've ended up doing a money sync rather than actually accomplishing a change in myself.
[17:46] <Sabriel> *money sink
[17:46] <Cate> Ahh
[17:46] <Cate> Hmmmm
[17:46] <Sabriel> Like "Ok, hormones...!  ...hormones... ...uhmm...do something before next century.  Please? D: "
[17:46] <Cate> Yeah
[17:46] <Cate> Hormones alone cause so many changes though
[17:47] <mehby> genetics play a large role on their effects
[17:47] <mehby> and many of them are subtle :P
[17:47] <Cate> Sure, but hormones are responsible for virtually all of our sex differences
[17:48] <Cate> If your brain identifies itself as female, but your hormones do not, that's an issue that needs to be addressed
[17:48] <Sabriel> k, that does answer what I'm asking XD
[17:49] <Cate> The rest, passing, surgery, etc.
[17:49] <Sabriel> good...because I was still trying to figure out how exactly to explain what I eman.


I tried to trim it without cutting the important stuff...
I personally think it's never too soon to start hormones and transition starts the moment you realize who you are, it's by no means a short walk in the park and if you didnt tell anybody for a few months i'm fairly sure they wouldnt realise (unless you sprout ginormous melons overnight  :P). There is a long way to go so why wait in misery when the path to your future gets shorter with each step.
One day the real me will escape, I personally can't wait. As for the rest of you? accept it and move on or get out of my way
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Sabriel Facrin

Janet: Mm...that's true on how long it takes...on studying the real self...I feel like I"m in touch with who I am, it's just that I can't wake up as myself because of my male body.

Siobhan: ..hmm...I'll try to do that...Sometimes it feels like I'm stuck alone anyway, maybe I can imagine continueing being in situations like that...Well, either way...That's something that I guess I'll need to remember too be careful of being over-encouraged. ^^; Though being encouraged to do more than I want to do seems to get pretty uncomfortable like discouragement...

Emily: mm...I don't think I can do laser/electro in the near future...I hear -very- expensive prices for them.
1)That's not so much what bothered me about the relationship, but the fact that the significant other has to go through all the kinds of stress that I make a decision like this.  I ended up opening up to someone who likes me recently, and fortunately they ended up being really open minded about it...but it was still akward for the person to deal with ;.;
2)Yeah...I'm starting to think that he's being a horrible supporter...I'm remembering some things that he said early in that he was quick to not ever bring up after very initial support---because they were just plain wrong as well.  I don't understand his agenda at all...

Rabbit: True...It's something I really can stand to do.  I'm going to try to actively go for learning things instead of reactively...it's just something I feel I should go ahead and do, really... XD

Meybe: You got what the part I was worried about losing, thanks very much ^^
That's true...there's not really much they can go by to be sure I started despite not wanting me to start, and once they can know I started they can't do much without putting me under risk of harm... ^^ I feel happy in a good way >>!  There's a couple people who I feel obligated to tell, though.
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